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07/18/09, 3:10 PM
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#1326
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Piston Honda
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Probably JC and BS.
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07/18/09, 5:54 PM
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#1327
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Glass Joe
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SlS
I have recently re-gemmed to reach the ArP "softcap", and I'm using a grimm toll proc with a 7/57/7 MM spec (no improve arcane, a shot that I've dropped). I've tryed to test on some naxx bosses but I'm still a little bit confused about Silencing shot. Accordin to me, that is a good shot to use only if you need 1 more istant during a fight in which you have to move a lot, but I've seen a lot of hunters using it in their rotation for example on patchwerk... It's true that silencing take benefit from ArP but how much does it worth in a common rotation ?
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07/18/09, 8:13 PM
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#1328
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Piston Honda
Worgen Hunter
Doomhammer (EU)
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Originally Posted by neoreziel
I have recently re-gemmed to reach the ArP "softcap", and I'm using a grimm toll proc with a 7/57/7 MM spec (no improve arcane, a shot that I've dropped). I've tryed to test on some naxx bosses but I'm still a little bit confused about Silencing shot. Accordin to me, that is a good shot to use only if you need 1 more istant during a fight in which you have to move a lot, but I've seen a lot of hunters using it in their rotation for example on patchwerk... It's true that silencing take benefit from ArP but how much does it worth in a common rotation ?
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The cool thing about Silencing Shot is that it's off the Global Cooldown, meaning it's basically free DPS (apart from the manacost ofcourse). What most MM hunters do is macro it to their shots. A macro like that would look like this:
#showtooltip Aimed Shot
/cast Silencing Shot
/cast Aimed Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
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07/20/09, 7:34 AM
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#1329
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Rogue
Earthen Ring (EU)
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Originally Posted by Klemenp
Just wanted to ask which will be the best two professions for a raiding hunter to have when patch 3.2 hits?
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They've gone to quite some trouble to balance out the advantages of all the professions in the new patch, so in the absence of a crystal ball, I'm going to say anything you feel like at all except Mining and Herbalism.
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07/20/09, 8:01 AM
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#1330
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Piston Honda
Dwarf Hunter
Grim Batol (EU)
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Originally Posted by Celfydd
They've gone to quite some trouble to balance out the advantages of all the professions in the new patch, so in the absence of a crystal ball, I'm going to say anything you feel like at all except Mining and Herbalism.
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Well, its still likely that due to the customizability of the bonus of JC/BS (so agi/arp rather than pure AP (LW/Ench) or crit (skinning), those will remain the best choice. Engineering bonusses still remain a bit hard to quantify (boot speed for example) although it will surely be better than it is now.
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07/20/09, 8:03 AM
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#1331
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Hunter
Doomhammer (EU)
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Originally Posted by Celfydd
They've gone to quite some trouble to balance out the advantages of all the professions in the new patch, so in the absence of a crystal ball, I'm going to say anything you feel like at all except Mining and Herbalism.
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Delete plz...was two minutes too late with my response 
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07/20/09, 9:39 AM
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#1332
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Rogue
Earthen Ring (EU)
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Originally Posted by Ingmar
Engineering bonusses still remain a bit hard to quantify (boot speed for example) although it will surely be better than it is now.
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Don't forget that the parachute cloak now has the same agility bonus as Enchant Cloak - Major Agility so all engineers will additionally have a slow fall spell, not that there are any Archimonde-like encounters in Ulduar but who knows, there might be in the Coliseum.
I was really thinking in terms of straightforward AEP conversions (so, for engineers, just the glove enhancement and Saronite Bombs) rather than the possible flexibility that would allow you to optimise for more survivability depending on the encounter.
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07/23/09, 8:29 AM
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#1333
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Glass Joe
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I'm very sorry to ask this a second time if it has been asked at all beforehand... or if its obvious as hell; But does such a writeup exist for Hunters like this for rogues?
That said, does anyone have a list of BIS pre-raid gear? I'm currantly not in a position to raid on my hunter alt and i'm trying to get it some decent gear so i can contribute when i can raid with it.
Edit: For the retards who cant read, a clarification has been made.
Is there a writeup or guide that exists for the Hunter Class that is as good as this Rogue Class one which I am linking to; which has nothing to do with my question bar being an example of what i'm looking for.
Last edited by Kastoli : 07/23/09 at 9:25 PM.
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07/23/09, 11:17 AM
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#1334
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Kastoli
I'm very sorry to ask this a second time if it has been asked at all beforehand... or if its obvious as hell; But does such a writeup exist for Hunters like this for rogues?
That said, does anyone have a list of BIS pre-raid gear? I'm currantly not in a position to raid on my hunter alt and i'm trying to get it some decent gear so i can contribute when i can raid with it.
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Try this:
Pre-raid gear list
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07/23/09, 8:22 PM
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#1335
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Hunter
Ravencrest
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Flame Wall
Is there a Macro to have your pet attack target and return to you?For instance dodging Flame wall in OS?I have no problem dodging the Flame wall but my pet does.If i could macro my pet to return to me when Flame wall happens he would live and i would do much more dmg.
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07/23/09, 9:00 PM
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#1336
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by casperr
Is there a Macro to have your pet attack target and return to you?For instance dodging Flame wall in OS?I have no problem dodging the Flame wall but my pet does.If i could macro my pet to return to me when Flame wall happens he would live and i would do much more dmg.
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If you put him on 'passive' during the raid you can use a /petattack, /petfollow macro to tell him to attack and return to you.
I'm not sure if /petfollow still works, Ill test it in a second.
Edit: /petfollow does indeed work, though I have limited knowlage on how macros are written and can't condense it into 1 macro; two can be used easily enough though.
Last edited by Kastoli : 07/23/09 at 9:32 PM.
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07/24/09, 3:48 AM
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#1337
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Don Flamenco
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Ah, I'm not sure how a macro would do anything for you that hitting ctrl-2 (the standard key binding for pet follow) doesn't already do. As long as you have your pet on passive & not defensive it will come running back. You'll just have to remember to tell it to attack again once the flame wall has passed (ctrl-1)
Alternately, toggling between defensive (ctrl-9 in the standard key bindings) normally and passive (ctrl-0) when you get a flame wall warning should also cause your pet to auto return.
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07/26/09, 4:22 AM
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#1338
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Druid
Tichondrius
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glyph choices: aimed shot vs. serpent sting
ive used this forum to up my dps by leaps and bounds so thank you. One thing I havent found an aswer to is should I use aimed shot glyph over serpent sting glyph. Ive seen many argue if my latency is lower than 100 I should use aimed shot. Others have said Serpent is an overall dps booast. I havent quite figured out the spreedsheet yet. And Im not exactly at my computer at the moment. My latency tens to fluxarte depending upon where Im at in the game. But it usually stays around 100 - 200. I was hoping to get peoples opinon on which one is better? Especially If Im just getting into Naxx 25.
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07/27/09, 3:04 PM
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#1339
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Glass Joe
Gnome Warlock
Sunstrider (EU)
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When hunters lost the 15% hast from quivers/pouches, did we get a general 15% hast buff then?
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07/27/09, 3:57 PM
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#1340
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Piston Honda
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We never lost it. The 15% haste was transferred to auto shot.
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07/27/09, 3:59 PM
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#1341
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Protector
Ashstorm
Human Paladin
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by Hansdruid
When hunters lost the 15% hast from quivers/pouches, did we get a general 15% hast buff then?
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This is old news (3.1 change back in April), the quiver bonus was eliminated and gave inherently to hunters, and ammo was allowed to stack to 1000. Also, epic ranged weapons were given a dps increase.
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Millions of words are written annually purporting to tell how to beat the races, whereas the best possible advice on the subject is found in the three monosyllables: 'Do not try.'
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07/28/09, 5:15 AM
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#1342
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Glass Joe
Orc Hunter
Steamwheedle Cartel
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Hopefully a simple question and not a stupid one. I know getting shot rotation / 25man buffs / lagg can never be 100%, but comparing spreadsheet dps to in-game dps for me never matches. Worst case, I'm 2K dps off spreadsheet (depending on boss fight). Is patchwerks the best boss to compare the two?
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07/28/09, 12:19 PM
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#1343
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Hunter
Ravencrest
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Thaddius is always a good one.
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07/28/09, 12:22 PM
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#1344
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Glass Joe
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The spreadsheet models the optimal fight -- no movement, no pushback, alignment of cooldowns. That being said, Patchwerk is decent but most likely too short and will thus inflate your DPS. If you want a good test you can do solo, turn off all raid buffs (except those you provide) and make sure the target on the "Overview" tab is a boss level non-trackable mob. That should be about as close as you can get to a clean comparison.
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07/28/09, 12:49 PM
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#1345
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by casperr
Thaddius is always a good one.
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Nonsense, Thad is a totally inappropriate choice to use for measuring spreadsheet dps actualization, because (for one thing) dps is dramatically affected by polarity shift, which is not modeled.
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07/30/09, 1:19 AM
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#1346
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Glass Joe
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When to get rid of Tier7.5 2 set bonus.
So hopefully this is a quick question, but I was curious when the best time is to get rid of my 2set bonus from tier 7.5 as a BM hunter. I currently have the head, gloves, and chest of tier 8.5. Any suggestions on when to lose tier 7.5? or is the bonus so good that I should keep it?
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07/30/09, 5:23 AM
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#1347
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Hunter
Doomhammer (EU)
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Originally Posted by Tagbone
So hopefully this is a quick question, but I was curious when the best time is to get rid of my 2set bonus from tier 7.5 as a BM hunter. I currently have the head, gloves, and chest of tier 8.5. Any suggestions on when to lose tier 7.5? or is the bonus so good that I should keep it?
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Use the spreadsheet (or Zeherah's Hunter DPS Analyzer) really, since it differs per person. In general, i believe the 2 set bonus for t7.5 is worth it to keep in your endgame gear for BM (although i don't raid as BM myself). It's purely psychological ofcourse; one might think t8.5 should necesarily be better than t7.5, which isn't always the case. I have seen hunters raiding in 5/5 t8.5 which made me chuckle a bit as well.
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07/31/09, 12:38 PM
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#1348
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Glass Joe
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Serpent Sting - do buffs increase it
Hello. I have been under the impression that if I cast a serpent sting (SrsS) at the beginning of a boss fight (when I may not yet be actively under a Darkmoon-Greatness or Wrathstone proc), that my chimera shots (CS) will be based on the damage potential of this SrS that was originally cast. To try and increase my dps, when a GCD exists and I have several procs happening (ie, my trinkets and Berserking are all active), I will cast a new SrS - in the assumption that future CSs cast will be based on the "buffed" SrS and therefore will give an increased chance of doing not only more damage via CS but also via a presumably higher "buffed" SrS. Is this logic correct (that trinket procs "buff" SrS, and therefore make it advantageous to try and cast SrS when several procs are happening), or is there instead no reason to ever recast SrS (outside of the situation obviously where it somehow falls off the boss). Thanks.
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07/31/09, 12:52 PM
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#1349
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by jimavet
Hello. I have been under the impression that if I cast a serpent sting (SrsS) at the beginning of a boss fight (when I may not yet be actively under a Darkmoon-Greatness or Wrathstone proc), that my chimera shots (CS) will be based on the damage potential of this SrS that was originally cast. To try and increase my dps, when a GCD exists and I have several procs happening (ie, my trinkets and Berserking are all active), I will cast a new SrS - in the assumption that future CSs cast will be based on the "buffed" SrS and therefore will give an increased chance of doing not only more damage via CS but also via a presumably higher "buffed" SrS. Is this logic correct (that trinket procs "buff" SrS, and therefore make it advantageous to try and cast SrS when several procs are happening), or is there instead no reason to ever recast SrS (outside of the situation obviously where it somehow falls off the boss). Thanks.
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Whenever Chimera refreshes SrS, the damage done by SrS is recalculated based on your current AP. Thus, there is no reason to recast SrS during a "buffed" state based on procs. However, if you get a percentage based damage increase, such as Vezax's shadow crash or a Rune of Power on IC, then it does pay to recast SrS since that percentage increase will carry through Chimera refreshes.
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07/31/09, 2:54 PM
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#1350
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Hunter
Doomhammer (EU)
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Indeed, that mechanic got fixed in patch 3.0.8; until then it was considered almost mandatory for a MM hunter to have an 'AP on use' trinket (such as Loatheb's Shadow or the hit trinket from heroic Nexus) for the reason you described.
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