Hunter: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 56

Keldin · 03/20/09, 11:59 AM

Glyph of Steady Shot

Is this glyph still worth it when patch 3.1 comes? There are lots of new glyphs and with 3.1 I'm planning to spec into MM with glyphs of Chimera, Serpent Sting and Glyph of the Hawk or Steady. To be honest hitting closer to the soft haste cap seems more worthwhile. Also I'm doubtful of the dps increase it gives to Steady Shot, especially when I'm MM.

Enova · 03/20/09, 1:06 PM

This depends on how many points you want to have in IAotH. If you're at 5/5 and are still away from the soft cap, then I can assume IAotH is a better option. But, keep in mind that as a MM you will always have Serpent Sting up, so any time you need to fire a steady, you will get the bonus. I personally wouldn't go for Steady, because right now, it's not exactly the core dps ability anymore.

Keldin · 03/20/09, 1:31 PM

IAotH is going to stay at 5/5 no matter how much haste I acquire since Aspect Mastery is the best synergy I can grab as MM - in my opinion. And there aren't other talents in the first two tiers of BM, that I find more useful. The build I have in mind is more or less like this - http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunt...4&version=9704

Also I did a few tests with and without the Steady Glyph and the dps gain on steady wasn't really noticeable for me. Thats the main doubt.

Beizun · 03/21/09, 12:25 PM

I've been staring at these items for a while now...just thought I'd see what you guys think.

I am MM. Assuming I am hit-capped, and also taking into account I would be losing my 2-piece set bonus by removing the tier piece, which would be better from a pure DPS standpoint: Leggings of Colossal Strides or Valorous Cryptstalker Legguards?

Zigazaha · 03/21/09, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Beizun

I've been staring at these items for a while now...just thought I'd see what you guys think.

I am MM. Assuming I am hit-capped, and also taking into account I would be losing my 2-piece set bonus by removing the tier piece, which would be better from a pure DPS standpoint: Leggings of Colossal Strides or Valorous Cryptstalker Legguards?

valorous legs to keep 2 peice

Keyrah · 03/21/09, 3:05 PM

Hi guys,

I've spent the last month working with spreadsheets ... testing on training dummies ... regemming ... reading the EJ forums ... retesting ... and scouring every resource I can find to help bump my dps. And no matter WHAT I do, I cannot figure out why my DPS is so low ... especially compared to another hunter in our raids that blows me away on fights, every time ... and has been since I respecced from BM after 3.0.

Point being - I've reached the end of the line and don't know what to do anymore. Everytime I think I've fixed my problem with a new macro or rotation or talent build, I end up back where I started ... which is significantly below this other hunter ( similarly geared and specced ). The only thing I can think of that is left is to do, is post here at EJ in the hopes that somebody can see something that I am missing.

Comparison:
Similarly geared Hunters
Similarly specced
Similar rotation and buffs

DPS:
My DPS on Razuvius 25 man = [ 3845 ]
His DPS on Razuvius 25 man = [ 5697 ]

Fight Meter:
Mine - Wow Web Stats
His - Wow Web Stats

My rotation ( using trap dance ):
Serpent sting, auto shoot, steady shot, auto shoot, and explosive shot when up ...

Armory:
Mine - Carize Armory
His - Ursavior Armory

Now I know that it's ME doing something wrong, more than him doing anything particularly right. But I'm at the end of my rope. I've tried everything I can to figure out what my problem is and I cannot come up with anything. The worst part is that I USED to be an awesome BM hunter, but my dps has been low ever since speccing to Survival in 3.0. I should also mention that the meters above are just for one fight, but they are pretty indicative of the difference between us on most fights ( I'm only on one or two bosses in the attached meters as I moved over to my DK after Raz ).

Any help, comments, suggestions, or observations HUGELY appreciated ... and thank you.

Edit:
I realized that I should probably have included a second report since he has two large hits from Raz on the above meters, so here are meters from a few weeks ago when we were both on several bosses. In each case, he destroys me.
Additional Meters from Naxx 25 man

stickums · 03/21/09, 3:11 PM

Latency?

He has a lot more shots than you do across the board.

He has considerably more AP than you, but less crit (which isn't much of a gap once raid buffs and effects are factored in). He has 2% more haste, and he is hit capped.

I don't know if that all adds up to 2KDPS or not.

Oh, and your cat didn't have Claw on autocast apparently either.

Keyrah · 03/21/09, 3:16 PM

Originally Posted by stickums

Latency?

He has a lot more shots than you do across the board.

He has considerably more AP than you, but less crit (which isn't much of a gap once raid buffs and effects are factored in). He has 2% more haste, and he is hit capped.

I don't know if that all adds up to 2KDPS or not.

Somebody else suggested that as a possibility once, but I run on a top of the line Apple desktop and our internet connection is ultra fast. My hubby plays on the same connection and has no problems. My problems only develloped when I switched from BM which means I'm definitely the one screwing something up unforuntately ....

stickums · 03/21/09, 3:22 PM

Your computer and basic connection type don't mean much though. You can still have high ping and really suffer when trying to spam abilities.

Looking at the next report I don't see nearly as much discrepancy. On the basic non-gimmick fights like Patchwerk you are only behind by 500ish DPS and considering he does outgear you by a decent margin I would expect that.

Edit: And to avoid a double post.. does anyone know if the +30 ranged hit rating on the MC scope transfers to the pet? It would be a decent switch for me to use that scope and drop 2 hit rating gems for 2 AGI ones. The spreadsheet shows a boost, but I am not sure if it models it correctly. Anyone with experience that can confirm?

Keyrah · 03/21/09, 6:44 PM

Originally Posted by stickums

Looking at the next report I don't see nearly as much discrepancy. On the basic non-gimmick fights like Patchwerk you are only behind by 500ish DPS and considering he does outgear you by a decent margin I would expect that.

Actually, using the most recent spreadsheet gear-planner (not the ptr spreadsheet), my gear shows to be pretty much on par with his. He is marginally ahead, but the spreadsheets only show a difference of 130 dps overall which is much different than what is actually taking place (500+ as you see) ... which brings it back to something I must be doing wrong

Iru · 03/22/09, 3:41 AM

I only looked at the Patchwerk fight in the most recent WWS but I saw one obvious difference: you have no kill shots in your rotation. Why?

You also have a much shorter uptime for Serpent Sting and much less damage from auto shots. I'm guessing from the immolation trap damage that you're trapdancing. Are you dropping GCDs as a result?

CrookedRiver · 03/22/09, 10:40 AM

I am confused on some numbers and I am hoping someone can tell me the best choice here.
I currently have equipped
Gem of imprisoned Vassals:
+32 Agi
+55 Stam
+41 Crit
+38 haste and +112 AP

I acquired Favor of the Dragon Queen:
+42 Agi
+63 Stam
Gem +16 AP and +12 Stam
+110 AP
+41 Crit and +31 Armor Pen

Looking at these two i was quite certain my stats would go up with the Favor of the Dragon Queen. My Agi and Ap do indeed increase but my ranged dps decreases!

So my questions: How do you decide between two items of this nature? What is the deciding factor?

stickums · 03/22/09, 10:56 AM

Not sure I can explain that. Check again maybe. Mine goes up by 3, and my Favor has a +16hit gem in it.

Enova · 03/22/09, 10:58 AM

I assume you're looking at the paper doll dps, which is essentially just the average dps of your Auto shots. Since you're losing the haste, it would make sense that the value of Auto shots decreases. However, for most classes, paper doll dps is worthless, since your rotation will include the instant attacks which gain a lot from AP and Agi, but not from haste.

Favor of the Dragon Queen is better.

Nagisamuro · 03/22/09, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by stickums

Edit: And to avoid a double post.. does anyone know if the +30 ranged hit rating on the MC scope transfers to the pet? It would be a decent switch for me to use that scope and drop 2 hit rating gems for 2 AGI ones. The spreadsheet shows a boost, but I am not sure if it models it correctly. Anyone with experience that can confirm?

I just picked one of these up for my new Envoy since the AH was out of crit scopes and I was 29 under hit cap. I tested on the live realm against the Heroic training dummy in Silvermoon, let the pet auto-attack from behind. 264 hit from gear (including Biznik scope), 0/3 focused aim. Zero misses in 1450 melee attacks.