Hunter: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 63

TrevvyTrev · 04/09/09, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by valiloramov

And I hear in 3.1 you can no longer macro killshot into every shot?? Is this true?

Yes, this is true.

Nooska · 04/09/09, 11:20 AM

It got answered, but lets try again:

1) All percent based buffs get applied after all static buffs. I.e. if the buff says "adds 123 AP" it gets added before anything that says "adds 20% ap". The same goes with other stats, like stamina.
Any stat derived from another stat is fully calculated before buffs to this stat - like AP. Yes anything that boosts Stamina, Intellect, Agility or Strength gets applied before a pure AP increase. (strength is in there for melee attack power - even though we don't use it)
2) I have no idea; searching wowhead I can find nothing called "Greater Combat Experience". I can however find pure "Combat Experience" and as my reply to 1 says, this gets added before AP buffs. Since all the percent based buffs are multiplicative they don't have an order they get added in; they get added at the same time;

You have a base agility of 1000.
You get Horn of Winter - Spell - World of Warcraft
You have Combat Experience - Spell - World of Warcraft (Rank 2) adding 4% to intellect and agility
You get Blessing of Kings for another 10% stats
You get TSA for 10% AP bonus
---

1000 Agi base + 155 from horn of winter = 1155
1155 * 1,1 (Blessing of Kings) * 1,04 (Combat experience) = 1321 Agility.

This transfers to 1321 AP on top of pure ap from gear; thanks to TSA you get 10% extra ap so you 1000 agility contributes with 1453 AP after buffs.

Vanathar · 04/09/09, 4:15 PM

My rotation ( using trap dance ):
Serpent sting, auto shoot, steady shot, auto shoot, and explosive shot when up ...

Armory:
Mine - Carize Armory
His - Ursavior Armory

My first thought is that your rotation is off. Survival relies very heavily on priorities rather than a set rotation. This is in large part due to Lock n Load proccing (Which the damage from serpent sting and traps currently triggers, pre 3.1. Post 3.1 Immolation trap and Black arrow will trigger LNL on bosses, Black Arrow being the preferred method at this time).

The Priority I use is as such:
1. Serpent Sting
2. Kill Shot
3. Explosive Shot
4. Aimed Shot/Multi Shot
5. Steady Shot

Always keep up Serpent sting as it will trigger LNL. Then reason you can't just use a set rotation is because once LNL procs, you get two free Explosive shots (also arcane, but that's a waste if you have ES). At the point of LNL proccing, you then want to step out of your normal rotation and cast ES, Aimed/Multi, ES, Steady (or Serpent if it needs refreshing), then ES again.

You don't want to cast the two free Explosive shots right in a row, because the next shot will overwrite the two additional ticks of Damage that ES does. You want to hit ES, then an instant + your GCD will set you up to hit your next ES.

If you are strictly sticking to a rotation then you are missing out on the amazing damage that LNL allows you to do with multiple Explosive Shots.

Steady Shot should really only be used these days to fill in between your instants, when nothing else is off CD. That's why it's lowest on my priority list.

Once 3.1 comes out, Black Arrow will fit in right below ES on that priority according to Shaynara's (Spelling?) dps spreadsheet, pushing Steady Shot down to 6. I might tend to classify it higher on my priority though because it procs LNL. Being on the same CD as a trap, it would be worth it to hit every time it's up, rather than wait for your other shots.

Hope it helps!

Beizun · 04/09/09, 7:23 PM

Best DPS/raiding pet for a MM hunter? All the numbers seem to theoretically confirm raptor, but is that always so?

Criven · 04/10/09, 5:37 AM

Looking around the net, I've seen the following figures for 1% crit: Crit rating 45.91 & Agility 83.33.

Are these figures correct?

Assuming they are, for a BM JC, is there any hidden benefit to a Crit gem and an AP gem over two Agility gems?

Nooska · 04/10/09, 8:52 AM

As A BM JC you don't want agi anyway, you want as much AP as you can, so I would say, gem 2 AP gems.

Caveat: use the spreadsheet for your exact values, but BM has AP consistently better than Agi per itempoint (2 ap = 1 agi)

FalcoDrac · 04/10/09, 1:46 PM

Does anyone know how to apply agility, strength, resilience, haste, etc. towards the more subtle stats of hit, crit, ranged attack power, etc. for a level 29? Reason I am asking is because everywhere I look for such information it is only posted with regards to level 60s, 70s, or 80s. I need to find out how to build my level 29 twink properly but have also realized I have no real understanding of the statistics behind...well...stats :P

What I am getting at is whether there is an already-done analysis similar to the above post...but for ranges of levels rather than a specific one...usually tested on patchwork or a dummy.

Nooska · 04/10/09, 2:45 PM

I am pretty sure wowwiki has some sort of listing or formula you can use.

However, if I remember correctly ratings were changed in effect so the lowest level they would consider a character was 35, whether the character was lvl 1, 10 or 34.

Vanathar · 04/10/09, 4:31 PM

Originally Posted by Nooska

I am pretty sure wowwiki has some sort of listing or formula you can use.

However, if I remember correctly ratings were changed in effect so the lowest level they would consider a character was 35, whether the character was lvl 1, 10 or 34.

All I have found at WoWWikki is hunter conversion stats at lvl 70 and 80.

Would you have a link to the page with the other stats? I'd be interested to see it just out of curiosity.

Thanks!

FalcoDrac · 04/10/09, 4:32 PM

Well...even searching in Wowwiki I have difficulties distinguishing between current and outdated information...mainly because I've only been playing WoW since last October. Is it possible for you to provide me a link to the info I'm looking for? Nothing that I searched for in Wowwiki gave me anything quite as relevant or even trustable as what I'm ultimately looking for.

Ha...Vanthar you got that post in seconds before mine :P

Nooska · 04/10/09, 5:55 PM

It seems that a lot of information was removed after the expansion. I cannot currently find the formulas that were there previously.

wurmfood · 04/10/09, 6:08 PM

It looks like a lot of the information you're looking for is here: Combat rating system - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft

Enova · 04/10/09, 9:32 PM

Even on WoWWiki, the information is rather generic and directed at the 60-80 level range, even though you can probably calculate what you need if you spend enough time. However, I'd recommend a nifty little addon called RatingBuster. What it does is update the tooltips of your items to show you how much effective stats you would gain from ratings, (rating to stat, agi to crit, you name it). The cool part is that it's going to show you the value for the level of your toon. So, in theory, with a level 29 hunter, AtlasLoot and RatingBuster, you can see what every piece of gear in the world would grant you and plan around that.

Fraggo · 04/11/09, 11:47 PM

Hi.
I would like to ask if theres any thread about Ranged weapons, as in, which one is best and why.
I have some doubts about some guns\bow and I can't find any forum with solutions.

Enova · 04/12/09, 12:33 AM

Due to the item level (higher stats and base weapon damage) [Envoy of Mortality] is the best in slot.
The three other ilevel 213 weapons ([Nerubian Conquerer], [Arrowsong], [Final Voyage]) are about the same, and which one is better depends on what your other stats and talents are. Usually a thing the spreadsheet can answer on an individual basis.