2 simple/quick confirmations

a) The legendary bow doesn't do more damage then a 141 dps weapon + 53 dps ammo (195 dps vs 164 dps) or am I missing something? I heard from some sources that due to the way something worked out the legendary did more, but I'm pretty sure I'm right on this as steady shot affects ammo.

b) I'm hopefully checking this today but just as an extra confirm, anyone knows if I'm able to leech off another hunter's serpent sting for steady shot glyph?

That macro will always try to cast kill shot before steady, and many of us have taken kill shot off our bars. You can spam it if you want, but I personally have a GCD monitor addon (Quartz) and only hit it when I know it's going to go off. Next, macros will never auto-cast anything for you based on some event happening- that would be a breach of the ToS of the game and considered botting.

Actually in Naxx 25 last night my AoTV procs were giving near/over 300 mana back, much more than what steady shot cost, especially under BW.

I have another question regarding scorpids.
As I understand, Scorpid poison is based off of pets AP, wich is based on our AP. My question is, do you let it get to a 5 stack of posions, the pop your trinket and the next refresh will update the damage per tick? or does it keep the amount per tick per stack, so you pop your trinket as soon as possible letting each stack of the poison hit for maximum damage.

I haven't had any time yet where AotV procs didn't return more mana than Steady costs.
It did get close with only 5 mana difference, but that's still a mana return.

I've looked at a lot of profiles and it seems that everyone is raiding as beastmaster. What would a solid level 80 MM raiding build look like? Tuned for 25 man raiding of course. I have my own ideas of course, but not so willing to just put them out there seeing as I'm very new to the hunter business and I assume I still have a lot to learn.

Yea thx Shanx, atleast they admit is a bug now. Lets hope they fix it before the next content patch...

Just a question, I see you have Massacre on it aswell, but do you know of anyone having the same issues with a diffrent enchant? The GM refuses to let me swap an enchant to just check what happens, or rather claims he cannot help me on it.

Yes, that's right. Changing Steady Shot formula (ammo affects it now) "nerfed" Thori'dal. In TBC Steadies weren't affected by ammo, so higher dps/dmg on Thori'dal would result in it being best ranged weapon for a longer time than it is now.
Currently only weapons with ilvl at least 213 should be better.

@Har (and generally): I'm finding survival pretty acceptable for a replenishment spec if you need it, you do give up a chunk over equivalently geared BM, but is can do respectable numbers. As an example on last reset's Patch 25:
Wow Web Stats

Notes:
- I had Sniper Training that week, which I have now specced out of as (despite my hopes) it's basically useless
- Using ES on CD, with ES spam on LnL procs
- Gear improved quite a bit since then
- Still no Steady Shot glyph on our realm that I've found

Survival is still the poor step child (check the significantly less Northrend equipped BM hunter above me) of the three specs, but ~4k dps while providing replenishment is not that bad.

Sorry, Noobiisa, I did not try any other enchant. Like most raiders my goldsack is growing rather thin now with he heavy upgrade pace and the current average price on mats for enchants.

A guildie has the Wraithspear and has not noticed any problem with Massacre. The Wraithspear with massacre enchant provides the full 326 AP unbuffed.

It's quite possible that Cryptfiend's Bite together with Massacre bugs out in combination but the indication I got from the GM I talked to was that the weapon itself is the problem and that it has nothing to do with the enchant.

@Zwaineroth
Took your sentence a bit out of context here. Did a quick check with a ingame friend that has the heroic t7 leggings (Valorous), the leggings does provide the full amount of AP today. If they have been bugged before, its now hotfixed.

Might give some hope, that Blizzard will act swiftly, to anyone witht he Cryptfiend's Bite I guess

Hey Guys,

i rerolled hunter with the upcomming addon.
for now i'm really happy with my dude (bm Hunter), there's only one simple thing that i didn't understand, and which doesn't get clearer by reading threads / posting.

nearly every thread about hunters is filled wit the rotation issue...so far so good, but for example auto / steady /auot /staedy usw... does it mean i cast an steady and wait for the next autoshot or can i spam steady (cause as far as i recognized the auto timer keeps up while casting).
and in connection with that, sometimes i got the impresion that the auto shot during casting steady is released, but sometimes it has somekind of timelag or it even seems to be elided.

btw. sry for my bad english, i hope you guys got the point of my problem...


so far Kerbaroth

Specials and Autoshot are unlinked as of 3.0, so you can just spam steady shot now.

edit: damn... I'm too late

For an MM hunter wich stat is more important to use gems for AP or AGI gems?

Seems that with current spec only survival specced hunters got advantage with agil gems. For two other specs AP gems seem to be winning (but difference is small). Probably it will be just like in TBC - agil gems will be superior at some point of gear, when BoK will make agil gems better than AP ones. But this time it might be later (gear/tier wise) because of 80lvl agil to crit formula.

I'd like to add here that these are just rules of thumb- the only way you know know for sure is to run your character through the WotLK DPS spreadsheet

As I don't have the leggings myself, I can only rely on the information I got from my ingame friend. What numbers I got was RAP with All gear on (including leggings), RAP with All gear on excluding leggings and a link to the leggins itself (thus getting info about legenchants + gems and the stats on the item itself with those).

The numbers matched and nothing was missing in terms of RAP contribution.

About the Cryptfiend's Bite I have not said its fixed (if it came out that way, I appologise).

It's too bad I cannot aquire easily a screenshot of my friends stats with and without leggings easily. You bring up a quite interessting thing though, as it seems to me that not all 25 man t7 leggings bug out as far as I can see it.

Mortal shots only affects Steady Shot in a BM rotation. (Auto Shot no longer gains the bonus and Kill Shot is a very small % of overall damage.)

While Steady Shot and Auto Shot gain the bonus from Improved Tracking. With those 2 abilities being 90%~ of your damage i believe Improved Tracking is the better choice.

Wait what? Is 5/5 improved tracking really better for raid dps than 5 points in Mortal shots for a BM build?

I was theorycrafting some about MM and how haste will play into it today and came up with some of these numbers. If anyone could have a look at it and either agree that it makes sense or state why it doesn't it would be great. Thanks in advance.

if your steady shots are 10/1.5= 6.666 in between each chimera. That means that you can at the maximum do six, so 10/6=1.66666. Therefore if you set this equation equal to 1.666 so as there is no wasted time between the steady shots and the next chimera you get:

2.0/1.15/x=1.666

1.7391
--------- =1.666
x

1.666x=1.7391

x=1.043877 or 4.3877% haste now adding latency to this would make around (based on your personal latency) 4.5%-5% haste(147.55-163.95 haste rating) the number at which you are getting the maximum number of steadies in between each Chimera Shot. Any haste more than this and you either have to wait for til the steady shot 7 cast is done to hit chimera, or increase the time between steady 6 and steady number 7 to allow for chimera CD to pop back up. Personally I do not know which is more dps, waiting til steady shot 7 is cast, or delaying steady shot 7 to fire Chimera.

I am also wondering about the proc rate of ISS(imp steady shot) and if this could be adjusted to wait for an ISS proc to have an overall dps increase.

[Meteorite Whetstone]

[Sphere of Red Dragon's Blood]

First one - - -> Meteorite Whetstone

Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 74 (1.61% @ L80).
Equip: Your melee and ranged attacks have a chance to increase your haste rating by 444 for 10 sec.

Second one - - - > Sphere of Red Dragon's Blood

Equip: Improves hit rating by 55 (1.68% @ L80).
Use: Increases attack power by 670 for 20 sec. (2 Min Cooldown)

Those are personally the two I'm looking at for intro raiding and saving badges for other gear. Should i spend the badges on Mirror or Truth or should I try to cap hit without putting talents into Focused Aim and instead having those talent points for something else.

Edited to apologize about the repetitiveness of the post. Was unaware it would auto change the link like that.

WotLK DPS spreadsheet

Use it. Love it.

This is not a simple question, and I doubt it has a simple answer. I'm going to start a thread for MM questions- I suggest that you ask this there.