Hunter: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 99

huntqs · 09/15/09, 10:53 AM

I guess nobody has a solid answer to this?

Originally Posted by huntqs

For situational use in PvE (for instance Detonating Lashers in the Freya encounter) I've been wondering about the use of the following SV talent:

Point of No Escape (Rank 2)

Increases the critical strike chance of all attacks on targets affected by your Frost Trap, Freezing Trap and Freezing Arrow by 6%.

Reading this tooltip, one would think that anyone attacking targets affected by your frost trap aura gains the 6% crit increase, not just the Hunter. Is this so? Is there solid proof?

alienangel · 09/15/09, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by huntqs

I guess nobody has a solid answer to this?

I don't think anyone's tested it to be honest. If it does apply to everyone, it would be 1% more crit than winter's chill or that shaman totem provides, and work for all attacks instead of just spells, which seems a bit unlikely, since that would be a buff no other class provides (ret pallies IIRC can provide up to only 3% crit for all attacks?).

Worth testing though if anyone has the time.

KraxisSingular · 09/16/09, 7:56 AM

I can imagine this being possible due to the fact that the debuff is so situational. It can't get applied to bosses and it is rather hard to use most of the time anyway.

I would say that Freya, Anub'arak and the Faction Champions are the only encounters where this talent (if it works) is worth it. Quite possibly not even Anub.

BLackJack707 · 09/16/09, 12:00 PM

I was talking about hunter rotations with my guild and some people seem to think that aimed shot is worthless now because steady shot hits for about the same and that use AS can actually hurt ur dps. My standard rotation is ES-AS-BA-SerpentS-steadyshot and these guys are saying the best rotation is now Serpentsting-BA-ES-steadys- Multi-shot when it fits in the rotation if that makes sense... can anyone confirm and deny this??

Ktharsis · 09/16/09, 12:00 PM

It seems to me that dropping frost traps during Anub would be a good way to make your guild very angry, or at least the tank who is trying to drag an add onto a patch of ice to prevent it from burrowing.

Hagen · 09/16/09, 7:05 PM

Black Jack: I don't see Steady Shot hit as hard as Aimed Shot.

Ktharsis: You could drop the Frost Trap on the patch of ice.

But something interesting for all hunters:
The 4pc T9 bonus is more interesting than it seems at first. A Guild mate aquired it to try it out (because the german translation still states it gives AP to the hunter).
In fact it gives 600 AP to the hunter and 600 AP to the pet and has around 30% uptime similar to the DC:G buff.

KraxisSingular · 09/16/09, 9:02 PM

Originally Posted by Hagen

But something interesting for all hunters:
The 4pc T9 bonus is more interesting than it seems at first. A Guild mate aquired it to try it out (because the german translation still states it gives AP to the hunter).
In fact it gives 600 AP to the hunter and 600 AP to the pet and has around 30% uptime similar to the DC:G buff.

Are you sure you friend didn't just see the proctooltip, which does say "Attack power increased by 600.", and assumed it applied to him. If the proc also applied AP to the Hunter (would be a rather great setbonus btw as it can proc from all attacks) then the pet would recieve not 600 AP, but 732 (with no talents in Wild Hunt).

I think a little more proof than "my buddy says" is required here I'm afraid.

Hagen · 09/16/09, 9:24 PM

I didn't believe him myself at first, but I checked it and he and his pet had the buff in the raid today.

Here are the WoL of our last raid: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
(Don't mind how bad we are)
You can see that he and his pet each received the buff, when I have enough Emblems of Triumph I will get to more pieces and test it while I can still give them back to the vendor. I'll check with the character window and post a screenshot, but that won't be until next week. So if someone can check this earlier it would be much appreciated.

alienangel · 09/17/09, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by Hagen

I didn't believe him myself at first, but I checked it and he and his pet had the buff in the raid today.

Here are the WoL of our last raid: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
(Don't mind how bad we are)
You can see that he and his pet each received the buff, when I have enough Emblems of Triumph I will get to more pieces and test it while I can still give them back to the vendor. I'll check with the character window and post a screenshot, but that won't be until next week. So if someone can check this earlier it would be much appreciated.

I just went and tested this.

- the buff appears simultaneously on the hunter and the pet
- clicking the buff off the hunter still leaves it on the pet
- the buff is named "Greatness", has the same icon as the proc from the DMC:Greatness trinket, and the same proc sound/animation (very annoying and confusing, this needs to be changed)
- the buff confers melee attack power to both the hunter and the pet. My pet went from 1835 melee AP to 2435 melee ap, while I went from 3948 melee AP to 4548 melee ap. My Ranged AP didn't change at all.

KraxisSingular · 09/17/09, 7:04 AM

Seems there was a little forgetfulness at Blizzard. I have the Greatness proc set up in Power Auras, this is sure to play havoc with it. Not that I have 4 pieces in sight (it is a bloody fight after every boss).

Melee AP eh... And that doesn't transfer of course. I wonder why they added that, seems pretty strange. Like giving a Warrior or Rogue RAP. In any case, the bonus remains rather weak. Is there a cooldown or something or does it have a very high uptime?

Enova · 09/17/09, 7:15 AM

Originally Posted by KraxisSingular

Melee AP eh... And that doesn't transfer of course. I wonder why they added that, seems pretty strange. Like giving a Warrior or Rogue RAP. In any case, the bonus remains rather weak. Is there a cooldown or something or does it have a very high uptime?

The only explanation I could find for this is that the tier pieces were probably designed long before the patch notes, when BM was still popular, and Aspect of the Beast was a viable choice for BM. Still, that would only translate to 60 extra AP for the pet, with unknown uptime and provided you were in an aspect that didn't make up for 60 AP.

alienangel · 09/17/09, 6:48 PM

Does anyone have any tips on DPSing the Nether Portals during heroic Lord Jaraxxus? We did him for the first time on 25 last night, and I was surprised to see how low my and the other hunter's damage on portals is compared to pretty much every other DPS in the raid.

It's not even that I was being lazy and not switching, I'm fairly sure I was attacking them within a second of their spawning, yet we still ended up with breakdowns like the following: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

I even switched to survival since MM is particularly bad at DPSing them, and while my damage on the volcanoes and various adds and the boss is much much better, I was terrible on portals on every attempt and on the kill. Are other hunters in the same boat because of their particularly short lifespan? I can't think of how hunters would be any more disadvantages on them than several other classes, other than perhaps the lack of pet DPS if you don't set your pet on them.

Lilyana · 09/17/09, 7:51 PM

Originally Posted by alienangel

Does anyone have any tips on DPSing the Nether Portals during heroic Lord Jaraxxus? We did him for the first time on 25 last night, and I was surprised to see how low my and the other hunter's damage on portals is compared to pretty much every other DPS in the raid.

It's not even that I was being lazy and not switching, I'm fairly sure I was attacking them within a second of their spawning, yet we still ended up with breakdowns like the following: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

I even switched to survival since MM is particularly bad at DPSing them, and while my damage on the volcanoes and various adds and the boss is much much better, I was terrible on portals on every attempt and on the kill. Are other hunters in the same boat because of their particularly short lifespan? I can't think of how hunters would be any more disadvantages on them than several other classes, other than perhaps the lack of pet DPS if you don't set your pet on them.

I did a study into this and posted some findings over on TKA. The gist is, that it is unlikely there are physical debuffs on the portals or volcanoes. As a rule, if the mob will be alive for 20 secs or so, have it debuffed fully. Hope this helps you identify the DPS differences.

nemesis000 · 09/18/09, 3:27 AM

At the moment i am raiding with 2 other MM hunters ToC25. My dps is ok compared to theirs but recount shows i am shooting 15% - 20% less auto shots. I am not using any macros atm and my latency is at the 250ms region. (other hunters have 200ms).

The shot rotation is a classic MM with KS/CS/AS/SS(/ArS)

Is there something i am missing? Any setting or macro? Is there another way to monitor the auto shots?

Thanks in advance.

Enova · 09/18/09, 7:44 AM

Latency can have an effect on the number of autoshots only if you're moving a lot, and even then it won't go up to 15%. Also, the differences in weapon speed and haste rating might account for a little more, but again, I doubt it's enough to cover the gap. I would have blamed it on Glyph of the hawk, but I didn't see anybody using it. I guess the only thing left to account for this is better management of Rapid Fire and possibly haste potions, possibly stacked with a bit of latency and a bit of haste rating.