Belzi.ET

You cant make order of stats in percent, since all of them have different ratings and therefore a different amount of spent itempoints for 1%.
The question would be more like:
50 Crit rating (1.089%) ? 50 Hit rating (1.525%) ? 50 ArPen rating (3.248%)
whereas ? stands for either <, > or =.

But even thats not accurate since ArPen is such a special stat. If you fight a NPC with 16k armor (~51% DR) 50 ArPen rating will give you more benefit compared to fighting a NPC with only 4k armor and 50 ArPen rating.

Do we have any accurate boss armor values? I was searching in the general forum, but those formulas and results were all pre-WLK.

 

Har

I've learned to love the hunter spreadsheet I found so intimidating, so I now have the answers I was looking for. Realistically, there can't be a rule of thumb as to which stats will increase DPS the most because it will change drastically based on too many variables to be calculated without the spreadsheet.

I would love to see these too- how are they discovered? Is there an ability like beast lore that will give you an accurate number for bosses? If not, how did they get the BC numbers?

 

Aerynlore

It will be a while before we get these values. Mostly because we need an enormous sample size to make sure the statistical margin of error is minimal.
Basically, we know that XX armor = YY% reduction in physical damage.
So, without any other debuffs, if a shot does RR-SS Damage on paper, but does PP-QQ Damage on the boss, we can calculate his armor from there.

 

Yavanna

thanks for taking the time to do this.

 

Laxxz

Oh I was unaware of that, I'll edit out my original post, I'd rather not contribute to that either.

 

Mixe

Hello there. I am experiencing problems with my Devilsaur turning Growl on itself. I specifically turn it off autocast before I enter an instance, yet somehow my pet STILL Growls and turns autocast back on.

Obviously my Guild-mates do not believe me. And I am sure many of you are pretty skeptical about the whole thing. But it's proving to be rather annoying.

So is this a known bug? Or is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening?

 

Byuu

I am currently testing specs in raids, atm BM with ultimate and a Devilsaur.

I had some problems with Rabid/Monstrous Bite... Is there a priority list in the server queue for specials? sometimes, pet is on 100 focus, monstrous bite is off cd and it just wont cast. Same with rabid.

I tried it macroed and on auto cast, both seemed a bit buggy. Rabid macroed and MB on autocast seemed to work well.. but not really perfect. How do you do it?

btw, in some encounters the cat of our other hunter simply outdps'd my Devilsaur, simply because of rake.

 

heritikyl

This is a known bug, basically you just have to check that Growl (and anything else you don't want on autocast) is not on autocast when you enter the instance, since phasing into instances and such seems to reset the autocast state. You could set up a macro to turn certain skills off of autocast and hit it when you enter the instance. You can also put those abilities you don't want on autocast on your pet bar, since those that are on the pet bar retain their autocast state whilst phasing in / out of instances. It's an odd and annoying bug, yes.

 

Aerynlore

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Mattaos

Place every pet ability you want to have turned "off" on your petbar. Toggle the abilities and they will remain off regardless of phasing in/out of instances, i.e. Growl, Cower, Prowl, Pet Special (that is macro'd like CotW), etc... Then just leave all the other abilities in your spellbook toggled "on" to autocast. Problem solved.

 

Nzambi

Real quick question:

Do the t6 4 piece and the SS glyph stack? According to the spreadsheet it appears that they do. (seeing as how it counts a loss of dps when i exchange my t6 chest for a naxx-25 one) But i have a very hard time believing this is true. I just dont see a reason why blizz would give us an incentive to hold onto old gear that long.

 

KergeKacsa

Tested, T6 4 piece bonus and SS glyps ARE stacking.

 

Aerynlore

According to Jaffi's Tests they do indeed stack. We'll see if Blizzard decides to change this in the next patch, but as of today (and Jaffi's findings) they do stack.

This has been added to the F.A.Q's in the Original Post.

 

Vegelus

Then check Beast-tamer's Shoulders - for BMs still being an upgrade over Northrend gear.

 

Incredible

Hello and thanks for the great FAQ. I have a question regarding:

"Beast Master hunters need no Haste on gear to reach the 1.5s Steady Shot threshold."

What do you mean by this ? A beast master hunter cannot get a faster SS than 1.5s ? I have seen faster SS (0.9sec) or similar when using trinkets that increase haste. Am I mistaken?

Thanks!

 

Aerynlore

With Serpent's Swiftness (and Quiver/Ammo Pouch), BM hunters already have a Steady Shot that casts faster than 1.5s; hence, they need to additional haste from gear to get below the 1.5s threshold.

 

Har

Yep. Haste does not speed up our global cooldown- you won't be able to cast any more steady shots per minute with a 0.9 second shot than you would with a 1.4 second shot.

 

Incredible

So haste only affects autoshot and not SS ? I guess haste is a priority stat for a BM hunter..

 

Xaraphyne

No, what they're saying is, there's no reason to get Steady below 1.5 sec. The global cooldown is 1.5 sec so you can't cast Steady Shot more than once every 1.5 sec anyway.

So as a BM hunter, haste will not have as marked an effect on your DPS because between quiver haste and Serpent's Swiftness, your Steady cast time is already below 1.5 sec. It will continue to speed up your Auto Shot so it's not worthless, but haste is best when your Steady has not yet dropped to 1.5 sec.

 

King-Slide

bm hunters are already below the 1.5 sec cap for steady. this means that they only haste their autoshots. a big bunch of bm dps comes from the pet and neither haste, nor hasted autoshots affect your pet.

 

Masterdragon

Actually its not. Any haste on a BM hunter will only affect Auto Shots. Because hunters do not get the lowering effects to the Global Cooldown (GCD) like casters can, Steady Shot will always be capped at 1.5s Cast. Sure you can see 0.9 second and such but after that 0.9 seconds, you will still have to wait for another 0.6 before you can cast Steady Shot again. MM and Survival Hunters love haste up until thier Steady is capped at the GCD rate of 1.5s. Then haste only goes to affect Auto's again. While speeding up auto's is useful, it's not as useful as other stats that you can get. Ideally, BM hunters dont want any haste gear while the other specs will want some haste to cap out Steady Shot.

On other things heres a few useful macros I use.

Use ? Icon
While its similar to yours, the "!" before each will prevent the macro from turning one of the aspects off instead.

My Melee macro is the same as the one listed but again I use !Raptor Strike to prevent the macro from turning it off.

Also for those hunters that like to put thier pet attacks into thier macros I recommend adding in a little line to prevent the pet from dashing off to an unintended target due to the new targeting bug we've been seeing.

Example
For one this keeps the pet attacking the target that you assigned it in the first place even if you have to change targets and two, if the pet is on follow and thus not having a target, the pet wont use the ability and three, if you accidently get the targeting bug and target something out of range of you like another group, your pet wont take off running at it to use its ability. You can even add exists and nodead modifiers if you like as well.

 

Elvinalfie

OK so a question about gemming.

I have been reading how AP now has more of a value than Agi because of scaling etc. However I am a little confused as to how I decide which gem will give me more value. I do "try" and use the spreadsheet for stuff but get easily confused >.> I am still low on +hit so giving that priority when gemming currently but at some point that will change.

 

Incredible

Thanks now I understand better, I forgot the "not" needed in my reply

 

Har

As I understand posts that have been made in this sub-forum recently, AP is better for hunters in relatively low quality gear, and agility is better for hunters in decent gear. Assuming this is correct (and I have not tested it in the spreadsheet as yet), then by the time you're getting closer to your hit cap, you'll be in good enough gear that agility will start to return more dps than AP.

 

Mattaos

Pristine Monarch Topaz
for your yellow and red slots to fill in missing hit. Focused Aim is another option, but I have found that gemming for hit and maxing Mortal Shots for BM is a better option. As you upgrade your gear refer back to the spreadsheet to play around with gems (and Focused Aim) to maintain your hit rating (as close to 292 as possible). See the first page for Focused Aim conversions.