Yes, I understand your first statement, since I did a copy/paste from the first page, but I was looking for an answer to my first question in form of a value.

Also I would agree with your second statement, as it's been covered in the BM bible 3.0. and how I said it doesn't work with pet hit.

Everything is still open to discuss.

10 Expertise (remember not rating, full Expertise) equals a 2.5% parry and dodge reduction. Pretty nifty.

In Gundrak mobs use retaliate. Watch for the swords, hit passive and hope the live. My wasp has no agro problems in 5, 10 or 25 man.

Yeah noticed it later being up close and more personal... Previously it was impossible due to the AoE cluttering the visuals. 3k hits more than once per second is just not surviveable with a healer trying to heal an AoE tank.

I have a question about pets- assuming you're trying to level a 75 pet to 80 that does not have an AOE taunt(for example, there are no high level scorpids in Northrend), does anyone have any strategies beyond putting on some repetitive music, chatting in vent, and grinding mobs in Shalozar?

I have done an instance or two and that seems to go faster than grinding, but assuming no instance groups are available, what suggestions to you have?

Go grind seething revenants east on the sons of hodir. It's boring; repetitive and the area gets pretty heavy traffic. But the mobs are on a forced respawn and once you kill them all they auto pop; I had a pile of 5-6 dead ones that I hadn't looted yet because the respawns were so fast. They're also very easy mobs to grind without a pet; sice they do the vortex thing that makes them stationary for 2 seconds or so. And they drop crystallized fire so it's good money.

Come on now, do a little more critical thinking here.

After doing some more research, I found out that Choking Cloud reduces chance to hit by 50%. I've never knew that aspect of the cloud since no one in my runs mentions that part (It's more of a motivator to just say "Get out of the cloud or you die" I guess). Since I don't ever remember ever standing in the cloud (You're in the hunter forums, remember?) or reading it's tooltip (Oops.)

You could have just said "Choking cloud reduces chance to hit by 50%" and I would've thanked you.

We know that they scale off of our attack power by ~22%, and receive ~12% of our RAP in the form of SP. What I was wondering was if their were any numbers out there showing what % their special abilities received from these stats? I've checked around, and have yet to find anything.

I respecced 50/21 last night to enjoy a bit of overpoweredness before the nerfs.. our MT on Archavon wasn't moving far enough away from the clouds, a human melee player can accomplish moving so his hit isn't halved, pet AI not so much. Definitely took a big DPS hit from that.

I've been an avid lurker for the past few years here, and have yet to post anything of significance. This time though, I'm stumped.

Am I missing a glaring mechanic I'm unaware of or are any other hunters having problems with Pet Management on Malygos? I find that my scorpid & cat both get "stuck" in the center of the floor sometimes just autoattacking and not using specials and other times just sitting idle. This happens especially after Vortexes, but happens imtermittently throughout the fight as well. A call/follow command will teleport them to me, and I can send them back in until the next vortex when I have to do it again, but the dps loss and distraction makes attempting more elaborate maneuvers like the 5-minute kill taxing to an extreme.

I thought that the collapse-able floor was messing with my pet, But perhaps having /petattack in my beastialwrath-trinketpop-rapidfire macro might be messing with my pet. Other hunters in my guild don't seem to be having similar issues, even though I was warning them about it. So I am left puzzled.

Any imput would be greatly appriciated. thanks!

I have that exact problem, not using pet attack in my BW etc macros though, but yes it is very annoying and they need to fix it. part of the cause I think has to do with the fact that your pet is despawned while your in vortex (at least mine is) and has no unit frame etc, then afterwards he is resummoned and bugged. All in all, pet pathing has always been horrible, but this is particularly distracting, especially if you are assigned any specific role by your raid.

I would like to know this as well..

I'm currently debating whether to switch over from BM to MM, because i've always been a MM at heart and with the current nerfs that are due to hit BM, i believe that MM may be a more viable dps option soon. My question concerning pet dps is to do with Scorpids vs Cats. I have never used scorpids before, so i'm finding it difficult to believe that they can actually out dps a cat, or a devilsaur for that matter. Cats have the luxury of rabid and call of the wild in the ferocity tree, whereas the scorpids dont, i can see how scorpids may be more valuable in pet unfriendly fights, but has anyone got any factual evidence to say that scorpids can out dps cats that have access to these type of skills in there spec trees? Also im told that cobra strikes are an increase in pets white damage due to quickness of the attacks, but does cobra strikes affect the quickness of the scorpid sting, or is the dps of the scorpid's dot lessened in any way due to cobra strikes?

Hello Cammyboy, first I apologize for my poor english (I'm a french guy).
Usually I use a cat for raiding but yesterday I tried a scorpide on Patchwerk and I have seen a big difference; on this kind of "dummy" bosses scorpide really out dps cat (50/21, BW+trinkets+AoB).Of course it's not the case for the trash mobs packs because the scorpide hasn't enough time to put 5 stacks of poison.

Does anyone know if scorpids will be a viable pet after the nerf as well?

It's very tricky, and I personally switched to a cat for this fight. However if you want to keep your devilsaur alive, when you see the raid warning for lava wall, go jump in the lava to the north/south whichever is closest. Jump in for a second as it passes by then come back out (pet on follow of course). If you time i well you'll only take about 800 damage.

Another devilsaur issue I've noticed is that when one enlarges, they reposition themselves based on their new hit box. And they do it infuriatingly slowly. Could this be the reason that Devilsaurs can't keep up with scorpids or cats?

Does anyone know whether things like tailswipes are considered melee or AoE damage? I have two spare points in this pet build and am wondering whether to put them in grace of the maintis or great resistence. If tail swipes etc are melee dmg that grace of the mantis is the better gain from a pet survivability perspective. If they're AoE then I might as well spec for better resistence (or armor for that matter).

Regardless of what they are, Grace of the Mantis' only function is to reduce the chance your pet will receive a critical strike - and thus it will have no effect regardless, (as mob specials cannot crit).

Hi, after reading everything in here, I still have a question, in regards to cunning pets.

I am a 15/51/5 MM hunter, and have raided with both a scorpion and and a cat on 25 Naxx, with the scorpion posting higher numbers for boss fights.

Being MM, I do go OOM from time to time, so a cunning pet seems attractive. I did read the previous post in regards to a drop in dps, and everything seems to back that up, except for feeding frenzy and the large health pool that bosses have. My guild just cleared Naxx for the very first time this past Saturday, so at the moment I need to bring as much dps as possible to the raids (in other words, I can not take a chance trying different pets for actual testing purposes).

It is impossible to test out how Feeding Frenzy would work in a non raiding situation since heroic bosses just do not last long enough below 35% for a good size sample. Has any one ever had a chance to test this out, or would anyone have a suggestion on how i could go out and test it out myself?

In this case I am not looking for a cunning pet to out damage a ferocity pet, or in my case the scorpion, but to be close enough to justify having it around in order to have roar of recovery (I been thinking about a dragonhawk)

Thanks

It looks like Feeding Frenzy is modeled into the Spreadsheet. You could also try using different pets on those servants out in Blasted Lands.