Ty, I was sure thats what it was but just wanted to make sure.

AGI is already and have been since the release of WotlK superior in high quality gear situations. If your gear is raid level, go for AGI. Currently the spreadsheet is telling me that AGI is 18.5% better than AP. Even though it's the post-3.1 spreadsheet it is still better pre-3.1.

Barrage improves multi and volley as well, which is nice on trash, as is imp barrage. You are using 6 points for one single target dps shot though, if you want to look at it that way.

I think its some pretty good utility as MM with a spec which is 3/3 imp barrage will be pretty solid AoE Dps, which may or may not prove useful for Ulduar trash. I'm still not clear how 5/5 UF will play out. Its definetly the greats spreadsheet increase in dps, but is only good on fights where your pet is useful. On any fights where he is either not able to dps or on thaddius/loatheb type fights UF will be less and less useful.

I'll be looking at your spec without aimed shot in the spreadsheet tomorrow when I can use excell at work and will compare to the MM spec's with Aimed that I've been thinking about. Maybe it will be good for a dual spec MM build where one is focused on the hunters dps only becuase its a bad fight for a pet, and another for good pet fights where you switch the the 5/5 UF.

In my experience (on live), Volley is still fairly good trash AoE even without the points in the barrage talent. Trash DPS, while important, also isn't generally my primary concern most of the time.

Your point about a more pet friendly spec and a more hunter friendly spec is interesting, and I may try it out when 3.1 is live. I switched from my current spec with 5/5 UF to one more focused on my own personal DPS (with SI but no aimed), and I was disappointed to see a 400 DPS drop (compared two Patchwerk WWSes with the same buffs, only thing I knew that was different was my spec). I swapped back to 5/5 UF and have been happy with it since.

I'm excited to think of more ways to use dual spec to really help out raids on a fight-by-fight basis.

Malygos isn't a fight I can compare easily unfortunately, since WWS seems to merge your drake's DPS in with yours. Patchwerk was the most easily comparable fight with the fewest variables, so it was the one I used.

And as to your question, no, I don't use multi at all. I use chimera/kill/arcane when they're up and weave steady shot in to fill time between cooldowns.

The proc rate on the 4p for T8 is 10%, as found on wowhead.com.

Any other opinions of haste here? In my own theorycrafting I think I can see the value of getting haste soft capped as I mentioned earlier. The haste discussion kind of died early on in Wrath and I'd love to get some people talking about it with the new numbers coming out.

Doesn't the inclusion of Glyph of Chimera Shot (making Chimera 9sec CD) increase the desire for MM hunters to consistently be at the soft Haste cap to really make the most of this glyph and eek out those extra chimeras?

Read a few pages back, that's exactly the idea being kicked around. Tightening up Steadies and thus your overall rotation is likely more important with the glyph fitting our gcd so nicely.

/agree

Just wondering if there is a way to really test this outside of actual raids? It's one this to sit on a dummy auto-shotting to test crit returns but, without replenishment etc, you can't just run your rotation for 3 hours. Any ideas?

[quote=Iru;1180090]Except that, as was pointed out previously, you need zero lag and perfect execution to fit 5 SS inside the improved Chimera CD. Those conditions are not generally going to exist whereas 4 SS even completely unhasted will always fit.

And yes, I realise that some of those SS slots would actually be AS. That doesn't change the nature of the cycle.[/QUOTE

So are you saying you'll shoot 4 and then wait and do nothing for that extra second? No, you'll end up shooting off another SS. Which (if you're closer to 2secs than 1.5) will delay that Chimera for almost a full second. So getting haste capped, though not making your rotation perfect because of lag and human error, will cut your entire rotation time by at LEAST a half (if not closer to a full) second. So every 9 or 10 rotations that equals another full rotations worth of DMG including another Chimera Shot. Over a 6min boss fight that adds up to a lot of extra damage (not to mention the increased auto-shots that are happening constantly and the increase damage from volley because it will do the same amount of damage over a shorter period of time.)

I'm contending that the value of Haste isn't just to increase Steady and Auto damage. Glyph of Chimera is designed for hunters at haste soft cap and a 9sec chimera makes haste a much more valuable stat than it was in the past.