Hit rating - Page 12

samfisher · 01/22/09, 12:00 AM

Might try the 8Agi + 3mp5 one till more gems are added. At least that's what the gem thread says here. Losing 8 Ap isn't alot, you gain crit and with talents it will more than make up for it.

Yaridovich · 01/22/09, 11:42 AM

Is the rounding down on pet hit confirmed? I'm currently sitting at 262 hit with a chance of 7.99%, but if what you say is true, I'll have to gem for the 1 hit.

KraxisSingular · 01/22/09, 4:05 PM

Very confirmed. That last 1 Hit is the most value you will ever get from a single rating. Do whatever it takes to get it, save dropping a meta.

tobeymac · 01/24/09, 1:53 PM

With 268 hit, my pet missed 3 times, why was that? WWS

Lerastes · 01/24/09, 1:59 PM

Originally Posted by tobeymac

With 268 hit, my pet missed 3 times, why was that? WWS

Those "misses" were dodges. Expand the WWS columns to get more details.

Nagisamuro · 01/24/09, 2:15 PM

Originally Posted by tobeymac

With 268 hit, my pet missed 3 times, why was that? WWS

Each of those three misses seem to coincide with the first attack made by a new 'instance' of your pet. I'm not sure how WWS parses a pet into 21 different instances, but assuming it's that the pet died or despawned and was rezzed or resummoned, perhaps there is a slight lag in the time for the pet to inherit your hit rating, allowing it to miss on the first attack after rezzing/calling.

tobeymac · 01/25/09, 9:17 AM

Originally Posted by Lerastes

Those "misses" were dodges. Expand the WWS columns to get more details.

Yeah they weren't dodges, my pet had 44 dodges. The 3 misses were actual misses so must be like Nagisamuro said.

Lerastes · 01/25/09, 9:50 AM

Originally Posted by tobeymac

Yeah they weren't dodges, my pet had 44 dodges. The 3 misses were actual misses so must be like Nagisamuro said.

My bad, I was looking at the wrong thing.

Yeah, that looks like your pet just lagged in getting your stats. Your pet despawns during Malygos' Vortex, so when he comes back up, he must've gotten a few misses before he reaquired your stats.

If you watch your pet's health for a few seconds after dismounting, you can see it takes a second for it to dip into your stats. It must account for hit rating as well.

mistla · 01/28/09, 11:55 AM

That hypothesis, "The pet lagged in getting your stats" seems thinly supported. I run around with usually 260 hit rating and my pet miss rate seems roughly in line with tobeymac. Here is a wws from a fight that is longer than the one in tobeymac's post in which I know I had 260 hit rating.

wws

Can someone with 263 or more hit rating post a wws of a fight 3 min or longer in which there pet has 0 true misses?

Rosamonde · 01/28/09, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by mistla

That hypothesis, "The pet lagged in getting your stats" seems thinly supported. I run around with usually 260 hit rating and my pet miss rate seems roughly in line with tobeymac. Here is a wws from a fight that is longer than the one in tobeymac's post in which I know I had 260 hit rating.

wws

Can someone with 263 or more hit rating post a wws of a fight 3 min or longer in which there pet has 0 true misses?

This WWS is from a full clear of Naxx-10. I run hit capped (I think I had 268 on this particular night) and as you can see, my cat, Puff, had zero true misses. All are Parries, Dodges, or Other. Nearly all our boss fights that night went right to the enrage timer, so they were obviously longer than 3 minutes.

(The WWS also gives an example of what dismal dps a BM hunter does in a 10 man group without full synergy -- this group was stacked for caster damage and I got to come along to contribute my FI.)

Nagisamuro · 01/28/09, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by mistla

That hypothesis, "The pet lagged in getting your stats" seems thinly supported. I run around with usually 260 hit rating and my pet miss rate seems roughly in line with tobeymac. Here is a wws from a fight that is longer than the one in tobeymac's post in which I know I had 260 hit rating.

wws

Can someone with 263 or more hit rating post a wws of a fight 3 min or longer in which there pet has 0 true misses?

The support for the hypothesis is the short delay you can see when you summon your pet before his stats update to reflect the contribution from your stats. This is most readily observable by watching his health bar. In addition to this, it was noted that each of the recorded misses in tobeymac's WWS report were the first attack made by a new instance of the pet. If that's thin support, so be it, but it still points to pet-stat-adjustment-lag as the most likely culprit in my mind.

With your 260 hit rating works out to 7.9292%. You missed ~0.1% of your shots, which is consistent with an 8% hit cap. Your pet missed around ~1.1% of his attacks, which is consistent with pets only receiving hit from their masters in whole-percentage increments.

Har · 01/28/09, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Rosamonde

This WWS is from a full clear of Naxx-10. I run hit capped (I think I had 268 on this particular night) (snip)

Non heroic content has a lower hit cap.

Never mind, I need coffee.

Iru · 01/28/09, 1:52 PM

Ah, no. The hit cap is the hit cap against any '???' boss. Unless you mean non-heroic 5man content, in which case I agree as the bosses are all specified levels.

mistla · 01/28/09, 3:23 PM

Thanks for the post Rosamonde, I am convinced and have regemmed as a result.

Nagisamuro, the pet health bar may well have been a side affect of my UI. I needed numbers. I could not get them from my guilds runs because either other hunters have points FA, so their pets were missing because of the FA bug reported earlier in this forum or like me they were not up to 263 hit rating.

Based on the wws posted here though, I have to believe that there is some time between when a pet is summoned/rezzed before the hunters stats are applied to him, and the pet can attack in that timeframe.

Does anyone know if this is a range based mechanic? Meaning if I get 40 yards from my pet can he lose the benefit of my +hit and other stats?

Lerastes · 01/28/09, 6:53 PM

Your pet doesn't repeatedly despawn and respawn during Naxx, re-read my earlier post. You can see exactly what I'm talking about by mounting up, then remounting, and watching your pet's health. It takes a second for their health to be updated proplerly, and it most likely applies to hit rating as well.

Malygos is the only fight where your pet is going to despawn repeatedly, so if you got together WWS reports of hit-capped hunters, you'd probably see some pet misses on most of those fights, but not on any other encounter.