Edited for obvious error, my apologies.

What a wonderful login advice along "A little kindness goes a long way". "Don't test Hit on Archavon"

Lidzkog, take note of any Naxx runs. And remember that any boss that gains an immunity will also count as being missed.

Im sorry if this is an incredibly stupid question but I have never actually wondered about it until now. (having never played a melee class) Is our melee hit rating the same as our ranged? Im just wondering because with a 7.26% hit from gear/gems/enchants/ets and then 1% from being draenei. I seem to have a few melee misses while having 0 ranged misses.

once again sorry if this is a stupid question.

Why are you melee'ing? Regardless, hit is universal now, i.e. 'Improves hit rating by 38' increases your melee / ranged / spell hit by 38 rating. You can see this yourself by selecting 'Melee', 'Ranged' and 'Spell' in your character screen and looking at the hit.

Are you sure your melee weapon skill is maxed?

I had a similar "ah ha" moment. A friend at another raiding guild was asking me all sorts of pointed questions about hunter hit caps. Evidently they had a hunter who was under-performing and were trying to figure it out. The last thing that I told them to find out was what the hunter's weapon Skill was. ;-)

I ran Naxx this week with 263 hit(8.02%), and not only did my pet miss like 7-10% on most boss fights but I had a miss or two also somewhere in the raid.


Patchwerk 25 man

This is the Patchwerk showing my pets' misses, he was summoned before the boss was pulled so the lag thing doesn't seem to be the issue here.

EDIT: Sorry I found my issue, all the 'misses' were dodges/blocks/parries. None of them were real misses.

Not a single miss from my pet or myself during the whole run with 263 hit.

Can I get you to elaborate on this a little bit? I'm not entirely convinced that FA is a poor investment of talent points. My pet is only about 20% of my damage, so hit capping it is not a gearing priority for me. 3% hit is a substantial DPS boost, and with my current spec, I'm not seeing another talent that would give me the same return. There is also an abundance of well-allocated gear without hit on it, so that's a moot point. All of my experimentation with the spreadsheet has shown that 3/3 FA is an excellent point investment for a MM spec. Someone please show me where I'm mistaken.

More specifically, the advice may not apply to MM spec as much as SV and BM. SV over MM aside, you're basically looking at ~32 agility - 1% pet damage (~10dps) per point in FA. If you can't get that through either IHM or Efficiency, you're fine to take FA.

Note that SV hunters also avoid IHM, so if you're the only MM hunter in a raid with other hunters, IHM may be your best bet.

I was looking through this thread to hopefully find a comparison on hit cap vs more of X. X being any of the following: crit strike, ap, agility, haste rating, etc.

Let me explain with a question: Is it better to be at 7% hit rating with 6000 attack power or to be at 8% hit rating with 4000 attack power?

Obviously 2000 more attack power would be better than 1% more hit rating... but my question is, where is the line? 100 ap? 500 ap? 100 crit strike? 200 haste rating? 50 agility?

I would use the spreadsheet if I could but unfortunately my excel is too out-of-date. If these questions are answered in another thread, can someone please link that for me?

The line is not fixed. The relative value of your stats change as the stat values themselves change. This is why the answer is always going to be "use the spreadsheet".

Having said that, you may be able to do some rough estimation yourself. Miss% tends to linearly affect your dps. So a 1% miss rate will roughly mean 1% less dps. 2% miss will be roughly 2% less dps.

Now suppose you are doing 3000 dps. 1% would be 30 dps. 30 dps ~= 420 AP. This is bad napkin math, but can give you a general ballpark. Anything more specific and you'll need the spreadsheet.

Hence the comment bad napkin math. The example wasn't intended to give an accurate answer -- just a way to approximate the answer.

Here's my take on strategies to assess the relative stat value question, from least accurate to most accurate:

1. Rough approximation (using some sort of basic rules like the ones I used).

2. Spreadsheet: use the relative stat weightings computed for your gear levels (I use Pawn and plug in the computed Pawn scale provided by the spreadsheet).

3. Gear planner ordering of items

4. Actually replacing the item in your gear set and seeing the impact on your dps.

Note that #2 - #4 all rely on the spreadsheet, which is why "use the spreadsheet" is the right answer.