WWS Loading... - Nax25 raid, 263 hit rating and 0/3 FA, no misses from me or pet (wws lists some as misses, but they're all "other" for me, and dodge/parry/other for the pet, probably from me being too trigger happy with MD:ing Noth after teleport etc so targets were immune)

Heroic presence has a 30 yard range, are you 100% sure your draenei was in range of you at all times?

Also, I cleared all of 10 man naxx with 8.14 hit and no draenei. No misses.

263 hit rating and 0/3 FA definitely looks like the way to go for a BM hunter.

k weird thing happend.

I'm a draenei hunter, got 220 hit rating and 1/3FA (wich is @ new beliefs that hitcap =8% over capped or almost capped @ old beliefs of hitcap beeing 9%) (220hr is 6.7+1 (racial)+1(talent)=8.7hit.

2 wws logs,
1 from 2days ago Naxx25 Wow Web Stats
1 from yesterday Naxx25 Wow Web Stats

No gear swaps or respecs in the meantime.

2days ago didn't miss a shot, yesterday was dramatic, anywere between 1,7 and 3% misses on different shots.

My pet missed the same percentages more then i usually did.

Anyone got a explenation what might have happend?

And yes i do FD alot , need to get me omen but a bit lazy at that.

Click on each line to expand the details. All your misses were "other", not real misses. Usually from shooting at immune mobs.

The pet has real misses, but that can be explained by FA not working properly.

argh..

mob packs going to Instructor Razuvius..


ah well, then i think the 8% hitcap is idd the treshhold, i've been looking back into the previous ww's logs and dont find a single miss there except the evade/immune/other ones.

So, seeing i'm MM i wil go and cut down my +hit from gear until about 4% as i will be taking FA 3/3 and still be a draenei so that brings me to 8%.

The extra misses from my pet i will take for granted then and go and see if my dps goes up.

WWS will also count it as a miss if you were in mid-cast when your target died; I suppose this would turn up in the "Other" column.

2000 shots on a target dummy at 8.11% hit (7.11% + 1/3 FA)

Zero shots missed.

How did your pet do?

So does this new info on hit rating mean that now if you currently have 2/3 FA you can get away with vs. Level 83 mob: 6.0%, 196.74 HR?

Heroic Training Dummy

7.99% hit (262), 0/0 Focused Aim
6247 Auto Shots
0 Misses

Pet (Spirit Beast):
Melee- 0.8% Miss
Claw- 1.0% Miss

Log file
WWS


So, either the dummies are broken, which seems unlikely considering the reports from Naxx runs, or the hit cap really has changed.

I did some testing few days ago and here are the results:

Setup:
215 Hit Rating (6.56%)
Heroic Target Dummy
Weapon Skill 400
Petlevel 80
0/3 Focused Aim

1st attempt: (Screenshot: Hunter/Pet)
4658 Auto Shots
56 Misses

6472 Melee Hits
138 Misses


2nd attempt: (Screenshot: Hunter/Pet)
2214 Auto Shots
26 Misses

3067 Melee Hits
55 Misses

That was a combined Miss chance of 82/6872=1.19% for me and 193/9539=2.02% for my pet. Any ideas why my numbers are a bit off?

Its not that far off. 1.19% + 6.56% = 7.75% That is a little odd though and I'll probably do some testing based on that.

While pets do inherit their masters hit rating as a few other posters have said it rounds down the the nearest full number, 6%. 6% + 2% = 8%.

Naxx 10 Plague and Military wings, + a few Saph attempts.

Hit for boss fights was 265 with food.

Zero misses, zero pet misses.

Parse, view bosses only: Wow Web Stats

It looks as though my pet did have a couple actual misses in last night's Naxx:

swing - 9 total misses at .3%
bite - 6 total misses at .5%
monstrous bite - 1 total miss at .3%

Wow Web Stats

Since I only care about the boss fights, I filtered by "All Bosses". Looks as though I was able to pinpoint the misses to Gluth. My hit rating was 266, so I wanted to ask if anyone had any thoughts on my misses for this fight.

edit:
Sorry I missed this. Completely slipped my mind and it would make perfect sense as I was helping the mage kite while pet stayed on boss most of the fight.

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That's me runing with around 7.4~ hit that night, guess I didnt have dreanei aura 100% of the time thats why I missed some.
I believe the hit cap for both hunter and pet are 8%.

Take your own conclusions.

I have a Draenei Hunter and I was doing some 'naked' testing on the ' Heroic training dummy ' in IF.. [ no hit rating from gear or talents.. ]

after 3560 shots [ normal shots ]

6.1% miss rate
4.0% blocked
1.1% crit
88.8% normal hits

Is the dummy bassed off raid boss level ?

Because this would show that raid boss hit rating needed would only be 7.0% or so..

It's the first time I see blocked shots.
Could Weapon Skill have an impact?

Could the conversion rate for us be bugged?
Something similar to caster Hit rates needed for our shots to hit. The other physical dps classes utilize a 1 roll system. Ours is more casterish, assuming the 2 roll system really applies to our shots.

This change for Bm hunters needing 260+ hit to cap their pets plus focused aim losing a ton of value since a BM hunter NEEDS to cap the pet and it doesnt transfer over changes ALOT for me.

Not going to do the 50/21 spec anymore. I would much rather now go 55/15 with 1 point left to throw anywhere and take invigoration and full cobra strikes with Beast Mastery. Those 3 points are kind of a huge deal to me. I could stay 50/21 but then where do I put those 3? Improved stings? Doesn't seem like anywhere near as good in terms of scaling as cobra strikes and invigoration will be.

Sure Ill have BM and yet be using a cat since they are still better for now, but I think that build will fare better in the future. Especially after they get around to giving us a forbearance (you know its coming).

I have done some testing today.

Setup was:

Hunter:
- 166 Hit (5.06%) + 3% from FA
- Only Auto-Shots from behind

Pet:
- Only Auto-Attack from behind

And for Physical-Reference:

Deathknight:
- 266 Hit (8,11%)
- Only Auto-Attacks
- Attacks mostly from behind (He stood a little too much to the side in the beginning.)


Wow Web Stats


Conclusion:

WWS mostly confirms reports from above. 8% hit is the Cap. The pet doesn't gain +hit from FA. All physical DPS needs only 8% Hit.

An interesting question to ask would be whether or not out pets scale with our expertise. Mind you we obviously don't get any from gear, it seems as if point for point it may be worth gemming if it is a flat dps increase for our pets.

Leneson, Expertise does not transfer to the pet.

The only stats that do are Hit and AP. To be exact, pets get 100% hit and 22% of our AP.