Hit rating - Page 6

sjogren · 12/04/08, 3:09 AM

WWS Loading... - Nax25 raid, 263 hit rating and 0/3 FA, no misses from me or pet (wws lists some as misses, but they're all "other" for me, and dodge/parry/other for the pet, probably from me being too trigger happy with MD:ing Noth after teleport etc so targets were immune)

Healranktwo · 12/04/08, 4:41 AM

Originally Posted by Vaxum

Last night we did 25-man Naxx, Sartharian & Malygos. To test the 8% hit cap theory I raided with just a hair over 8%: 5.06% from gear (+166 hit), 1% from draenei aura, 2% from talents (2/3 FA). Results were:

Naxx25 - 5403 shots, 8 misses (1 of which was after the draenei in my party died).

OS25 - 890 shots, 0 misses

Eye25 - 219 shots, 1 miss

IMO this is sadly inconclusive. If the cap really is 8% I should not have seen ANY misses. However, if the cap is 9% as originally believed, I should have seen ~65 misses, not a mere 8.

Heroic presence has a 30 yard range, are you 100% sure your draenei was in range of you at all times?

Also, I cleared all of 10 man naxx with 8.14 hit and no draenei. No misses.

Shaâden · 12/04/08, 4:44 AM

263 hit rating and 0/3 FA definitely looks like the way to go for a BM hunter.

Breathe · 12/04/08, 5:48 AM

k weird thing happend.

I'm a draenei hunter, got 220 hit rating and 1/3FA (wich is @ new beliefs that hitcap =8% over capped or almost capped @ old beliefs of hitcap beeing 9%) (220hr is 6.7+1 (racial)+1(talent)=8.7hit.

2 wws logs,
1 from 2days ago Naxx25 Wow Web Stats
1 from yesterday Naxx25 Wow Web Stats

No gear swaps or respecs in the meantime.

2days ago didn't miss a shot, yesterday was dramatic, anywere between 1,7 and 3% misses on different shots.

My pet missed the same percentages more then i usually did.

Anyone got a explenation what might have happend?

And yes i do FD alot

, need to get me omen but a bit lazy at that.

sjogren · 12/04/08, 6:19 AM

Click on each line to expand the details. All your misses were "other", not real misses. Usually from shooting at immune mobs.

The pet has real misses, but that can be explained by FA not working properly.

Breathe · 12/04/08, 7:31 AM

Originally Posted by sjogren

Click on each line to expand the details. All your misses were "other", not real misses. Usually from shooting at immune mobs.

The pet has real misses, but that can be explained by FA not working properly.

argh..

mob packs going to Instructor Razuvius..

ah well, then i think the 8% hitcap is idd the treshhold, i've been looking back into the previous ww's logs and dont find a single miss there except the evade/immune/other ones.

So, seeing i'm MM i wil go and cut down my +hit from gear until about 4% as i will be taking FA 3/3 and still be a draenei so that brings me to 8%.

The extra misses from my pet i will take for granted then and go and see if my dps goes up.

Gozardina · 12/04/08, 10:59 AM

5 bosses in Naxx10 with hit rating of 266 (233+racial), 0 misses.

Rosamonde · 12/04/08, 11:03 AM

WWS will also count it as a miss if you were in mid-cast when your target died; I suppose this would turn up in the "Other" column.

Nickiter · 12/04/08, 3:54 PM

2000 shots on a target dummy at 8.11% hit (7.11% + 1/3 FA)

Zero shots missed.

Rosamonde · 12/04/08, 5:26 PM

Originally Posted by Nickiter

2000 shots on a target dummy at 8.11% hit (7.11% + 1/3 FA)

Zero shots missed.

How did your pet do?

skunkone · 12/04/08, 6:50 PM

So does this new info on hit rating mean that now if you currently have 2/3 FA you can get away with vs. Level 83 mob: 6.0%, 196.74 HR?

Amiyuy · 12/04/08, 7:17 PM

Heroic Training Dummy

7.99% hit (262), 0/0 Focused Aim
6247 Auto Shots
0 Misses

Pet (Spirit Beast):
Melee- 0.8% Miss
Claw- 1.0% Miss

Log file
WWS

So, either the dummies are broken, which seems unlikely considering the reports from Naxx runs, or the hit cap really has changed.

Shaâden · 12/04/08, 7:35 PM

Originally Posted by Amiyuy

Heroic Training Dummy

7.99% hit (262), 0/0 Focused Aim
6247 Auto Shots
0 Misses

Pet (Spirit Beast):
Melee- 0.8% Miss
Claw- 1.0% Miss

Log file
WWS

So, either the dummies are broken, which seems unlikely considering the reports from Naxx runs, or the hit cap really has changed.

Very usefull. You confirm both theories and using a consistent amount of shoots :
_ Hit cap is 8%
_ Pet hit cap is 8%, but does not accept commas and is rounded by defaut to the lower integer (in your cas 7%).

King-Slide · 12/04/08, 8:45 PM

I did some testing few days ago and here are the results:

Setup:
215 Hit Rating (6.56%)
Heroic Target Dummy
Weapon Skill 400
Petlevel 80
0/3 Focused Aim

1st attempt: (Screenshot: Hunter/Pet)
4658 Auto Shots
56 Misses

6472 Melee Hits
138 Misses

2nd attempt: (Screenshot: Hunter/Pet)
2214 Auto Shots
26 Misses

3067 Melee Hits
55 Misses

That was a combined Miss chance of 82/6872=1.19% for me and 193/9539=2.02% for my pet. Any ideas why my numbers are a bit off?

Thelastdeadmouse · 12/04/08, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by King-Slide

I did some testing few days ago and here are the results:

Setup:
215 Hit Rating (6.56%)
Heroic Target Dummy
Weapon Skill 400
Petlevel 80
0/3 Focused Aim

........

82/6872=1.19% for me and 193/9539=2.02% for my pet. Any ideas why my numbers are a bit off?

Its not that far off. 1.19% + 6.56% = 7.75% That is a little odd though and I'll probably do some testing based on that.

While pets do inherit their masters hit rating as a few other posters have said it rounds down the the nearest full number, 6%. 6% + 2% = 8%.