The Survival Hunter in WotLK - Page 102

Grappas · 04/29/09, 6:39 AM

With the change to some other class abilities, I actually wouldn't mind seeing our Serpent sting, and Black Arrow dots crit. Shadow Priests get dot crits, as do Feral Druids, why not hunters? This might also help re-align some of the lack in DPS in Ulduar compared to other pure dps atm.

Edit: Typos

H4wk · 04/29/09, 8:34 AM

Originally Posted by iamthehendrix

I stretched my autoshot timer across my whole screen to make sure I dont clip a single one during kologarn.

Managed to do 6561.3 dps in odd gear. (no set bonuses. experimental gear)

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Volley ... ? Its easy to make that dps with AOE adds...

Beachwanderer · 04/29/09, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by CALMSTORM

Well nice that the Tier 8,5 set bonus issue is raised... My Mathematics show me that the 2-set bonus (10% for Serpent Sting) Gives us Survival Hunters 0,1*4% (Serpent is 5% of our damage as best) = 0,4% or 0,5% damage bonus at max...

While again same maths says Tier 7,5 2-set bonus (5% for pet damage) = 0,05 * 17% (Pet damage is around 15% - 20% for Survival if I am not wrong) which makes aroun 0,85% - 0,9% of xtra dps... Looks to me as if T 7,5 2-Set bonus should be kept somehow.. as 1% damage is nothing to be sneezed at...

Please tell me your comments.

PS: Even 4 set T7,5 looks helpful for Ulduar but I am aware we cannot afford to keep 4x inferior stats on our most important gear...

I think this is a null point since you can have both 2 set bonuses at once. The real issue is 4 piece T8.5 worth it over some sort of mix. And more importantly is the Hard Mode gear going to be worth it over the 4 piece T8.5, and if at that point a mix of hard mode gear and T7.5 will actually be king.

Dralmoo · 04/29/09, 12:42 PM

Is there a better shot/swing timer than Quartz? I've found it to be pretty inaccurate.

prime311 · 04/29/09, 1:54 PM

Originally Posted by rawboe

If you're good, you spin shoot your instants, but pausing to white hit is out of the question.

Is there some advantage to spin shooting that you don't get by strafing?

Vø� d · 04/29/09, 2:24 PM

Originally Posted by Dralmoo

Is there a better shot/swing timer than Quartz? I've found it to be pretty inaccurate.

I started using omni cc to help watch my cd's

aejax · 04/29/09, 2:48 PM

OmniCC does not have a shot timer. He is talking about the Autoshot/swing bar that Quartz has. Unfortunately the Quartz bar keeps getting interrupted and it is not accurate.

I suggest you disable the swing timer in quartz and download LittleTrouble. It's working for me.

Radroit · 04/29/09, 3:08 PM

Originally Posted by prime311

Is there some advantage to spin shooting that you don't get by strafing?

Other than being able to see where you're running, I don't think so. In fact, strafing also allows the occasional pause to fire an auto, assuming sufficient distance and good timing.

Esoth · 04/29/09, 3:21 PM

Originally Posted by Beachwanderer

Please reference:

Hunter stats and scaling

The purpose of that thread is not to compare when one stat is better than another - the spreadsheet already does that.

If you want to graph how hunter stats scale with each other you'd need something like a 7 dimensional graph. Good luck making any sense out of that.

blaczero · 04/29/09, 3:55 PM

Originally Posted by Dralmoo

Is there a better shot/swing timer than Quartz? I've found it to be pretty inaccurate.

Event Horizon is something you should definitely try.

Check out the narrated youtube vid showing and describing it here
YouTube - Event Horizon WoW Addon

Download is here:
EventHorizon : WoWInterface Downloads : Casting Bars and Cooldowns

The grey bars even get a dark shade of grey at the end to account for latency (something you get used to seeing after using the mod for a while)

The mod takes a bit to modify and customize (read: notepad under the EventHorizon_Class dir) but it is worth it.

Cl4nK · 04/29/09, 5:57 PM

Anyone else not really into the gear that are being build in the spreadsheet topic? I for one love to stack on haste gear, but it seems they're not using that much haste, instead just relying on the proc of IAotH =/

iamthehendrix · 04/29/09, 6:16 PM

Originally Posted by H4wk

Volley ... ? Its easy to make that dps with AOE adds...

True =). but as you can see from the graph I didnt even aoe the first group of rubble that spawned.

One thing I did notice was that 3 points in hawkeye is a bigger dps improvement over 3 points in trapmastery.

The bosses in ulduar are in such big rooms, and being able to stand still for a couple more seconds and shoot outweighs the 30% damage black arrow does.

Iru · 04/29/09, 6:41 PM

Originally Posted by Cl4nK

Anyone else not really into the gear that are being build in the spreadsheet topic? I for one love to stack on haste gear, but it seems they're not using that much haste, instead just relying on the proc of IAotH =/

The point of the maximum theoretical DPS thread (assuming that's the one you mean) is not to provide "gear you're into", it's to specify what combination of talents & gear produces the highest theoretical DPS for a given talent tree. If spec'ing IAotH and de-emphasising gear provided haste produces the highest value, then spec'ing IAotH makes sense. The great thing about having a model like the spreadsheet is that you can establish an emprical maximum; personal preferences don't enter into it.

If you don't like IAotH and prefer to use gear that's high in haste, then spec and gear to suit yourself and be happy with your choices. This is just a game after all.

adimiron · 04/29/09, 8:41 PM

Originally Posted by Dralmoo

Is there a better shot/swing timer than Quartz? I've found it to be pretty inaccurate.

AzCastBar : WoWInterface Downloads : Casting Bars and Cooldowns

AzCastBar Plugins : WoWInterface Downloads : Plug-Ins & Patches

Pretty much everything that Quartz once did well, and it also seems a lot more lightweight to me.

HoSAvelon · 04/30/09, 1:35 AM

I was curious, as I looked but didn't see anything regarding this topic. I had a few of my surv hunters asking me when to break their 7.5 2pc. Looking at the stats of the 8.5 helm and chest, I was thinking that either of those would probably be worth using, even if they broke the 7.5 2 piece, but I'm not 100% on that. Anyone given this some thought as well?

• CureFC · 04/30/09, 6:15 AM

Originally Posted by HoSAvelon

I was curious, as I looked but didn't see anything regarding this topic. I had a few of my surv hunters asking me when to break their 7.5 2pc. Looking at the stats of the 8.5 helm and chest, I was thinking that either of those would probably be worth using, even if they broke the 7.5 2 piece, but I'm not 100% on that. Anyone given this some thought as well?

Your question can't be answered simply and will vary depending on your individual situation. The best way to determine when an upgrade or upgrades are worth breaking the set bonus for is to plug the possibilities into the spreadsheet and compare the results.

YuYu007 · 04/30/09, 7:51 AM

Originally Posted by blaczero

Event Horizon is something you should definitely try.

First post here, and im using this forum till years omg!!!!

Last week i find this addon, that give a easy and fast rotation to a guild hunter companion:
- Watcher - Addons - Curse
Its similar of event horizon but more easy to check imho.
Well, Sorry for my english, and i hope this will help u.

PD: Ty to all that do this forum the best hunter site. I learn a lot of all u. Ty and still working for a morons like me :P

CALMSTORM · 04/30/09, 9:20 AM

Well Hunter T8,5 Chest and Head are huge improvements... But You should somehow go for keeping T7,5 2 set bonus as well... I think 1 item is not worth it... The best way would be getting T7,5 for spots u dont have T8,5 yet.. As 2set bonus is a big dps increase (5% x Pet = around 1%dps for Surv Hunter.. That is better then 1 point in Imp Tracking (Decent dps talent) As Imp tracking is 1% dps increase only for the hunter... While 5% pet increase results in 1% for hunter+pet total

Ferrari_13 · 04/30/09, 5:26 PM

Some good news on some of the bugs.

Hunter

* Go For The Throat: Explosive Shot critical strikes now trigger this talent.
* Rabid: This Hunter pet talent no longer lists a percentage chance to be triggered, as that chance varies by the attack speed of the pet

Source: MMO-Champion - World of Warcraft Guides and Raid Strategies

Haven't tested personally though.

Edit: Just to note this is for the PTR not live.

Mr Tazza · 04/30/09, 7:28 PM

Hunter

* Lock and Load - You have a 100% chance when you trap a target with Freezing Trap, Freezing Arrow or Frost Trap and a 2/4/6% chance when you deal periodic damage with your Immolation Trap or Black Arrow to cause your next 2 Arcane Shot or Explosive Shot spells to trigger no cooldown, cost no mana and consume no ammo. (Was 4/7/10%)

Definetely deserved nerf! Oh wait...

awrr · 04/30/09, 7:46 PM

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Mr Tazza · 04/30/09, 7:51 PM

Originally Posted by awrr

I'm guessing that Blizzard doesn't like the possibility of back to back and so on procs in PVP. Should someone tell them that we hate the RNG too? Here's a toast to internal CD and proc consistency.

At some point (A) the damage gains are too unpredictable, (B) you're not getting a lot of DPS return per point, and (C) it's not worth the talent investment.

TM is weak though, and in a 51 point SV build it feels like you're then weighing full LnL vs. 1/3 TotH. That's not very formidable either, so LnL probably survives. At least until 3.1.3...

Like anyone is actually shooting BA in pvp instead of using a trap, since they share CD.

I really can't see any reason which could justify this.

Effinhunter · 04/30/09, 8:05 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Tazza

Hunter

* Lock and Load - You have a 100% chance when you trap a target with Freezing Trap, Freezing Arrow or Frost Trap and a 2/4/6% chance when you deal periodic damage with your Immolation Trap or Black Arrow to cause your next 2 Arcane Shot or Explosive Shot spells to trigger no cooldown, cost no mana and consume no ammo. (Was 4/7/10%)

Definetely deserved nerf! Oh wait...

This is the rate they had proposed during PTR, and what I thought we had been testing all this time. The tooltip is probably just being updated to what the percentage has been since shortly after the PTR went up. You shouldn't see any differences in the proc rate with the hot fix (since I believe this is only a tooltip synchronization with existing game mechanics).

Kharthus · 04/30/09, 8:25 PM

If that's the case, it would explain why LnL hardly ever procs. I think a lot of us would like to see if buffed.

Sulik · 04/30/09, 9:47 PM

LnL is very unpredictable. This type of thing has driven some hunters to switch to marks. Survival mana management is more reliable however. There is a growing trend of duel speccing for Ulduar for the different bosses.