The Survival Hunter in WotLK - Page 107

Sindroth · 03/02/09, 2:48 PM

Thanks Mathorli and Sylvand for the input. I had played around with aimed shot before so putting that back in the rotation will be an easy enough change. And my logic was a bit flawed in how to use L&L appropriatly, so I'll keep Arcane shot for only MD pulls.

Rache · 03/02/09, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Sindroth

Thanks Mathorli and Sylvand for the input. I had played around with aimed shot before so putting that back in the rotation will be an easy enough change. And my logic was a bit flawed in how to use L&L appropriatly, so I'll keep Arcane shot for only MD pulls.

Even for MD pulls arcane is useless. I usually MD the tank and explosive shot while everyone moves to their dps locations. The 3 ticks from explosive will eat the MD, putting all the threat on the tank. Just make sure you do explosive on the run, because if you get an auto in there you could pull agro.

Which reminds me of one bad thing about unlinked auto shot. Trying to MD multishot a group. The auto shot goes off before multishot, eating one of the MD's. I'm sure that was posted somewhere else, but it's just irritating.

Perforate · 03/02/09, 10:53 PM

edit removed to the 3.1 thread where it belongs.

Neriaares · 03/03/09, 12:49 AM

hi guys i was wondering what the threat breakdown was for es,aimed and ss??

alienangel · 03/03/09, 12:05 PM

The threat breakdown will be the same as the damage breakdown for them (see spreadsheet), unless you have a threat modifier like Vigilance or ToTT or HoS on your - even if you do though, they should all affect them uniformly).

If you're asking with regard to use during Misdirection, ES supposedly doesn't work at all well with MD, so stick to aimed/arcane/multi/ss/auto.

Alerien · 03/03/09, 3:25 PM

I believe the issues with MD/ES is that ES applies a Debuff.

So instead of MD to tank | Tank gets threat from pulse 1 2 and 3

Reality is:
You MD to Tank | Tank gets threat from debuff, pulse 1, pulse 2, and then you get aggro from pulse 3.

Which can go badly if you get bad luck and 1 and 2 don't crit but 3 does.

Bikiniwax · 03/03/09, 3:34 PM

Originally Posted by alienangel

If you're asking with regard to use during Misdirection, ES supposedly doesn't work at all well with MD, so stick to aimed/arcane/multi/ss/auto.

On Sarth 3D, I often use ES to MD Vesp to the drake tank and about 50% of the time Vesp aggros me instead of the tank until I FD.

Kharthus · 03/03/09, 4:51 PM

Originally Posted by Alerien

I believe the issues with MD/ES is that ES applies a Debuff.

So instead of MD to tank | Tank gets threat from pulse 1 2 and 3

Reality is:
You MD to Tank | Tank gets threat from debuff, pulse 1, pulse 2, and then you get aggro from pulse 3.

Which can go badly if you get bad luck and 1 and 2 don't crit but 3 does.

Has that really been proven? Or is it more likely that your auto-shot is sneaking in and eating up one of the charges?

Anal · 03/03/09, 5:39 PM

Originally Posted by Bikiniwax

On Sarth 3D, I often use ES to MD Vesp to the drake tank and about 50% of the time Vesp aggros me instead of the tank until I FD.

Md'ing drakes changed a little bit a patch or two ago, I don't believe they take on threat immediately once they are targetable. I spam my /target drake macro until it actually targets and then wait a second or two before I fire. That fixed my problem with getting drake aggro on them. I would assiociate this problem with the rest of the md discussion.

Ketari · 03/03/09, 8:33 PM

Originally Posted by Alerien

I believe the issues with MD/ES...

Yep. Rogues also had a problem with TotH, which is why it's been changed to "damaging attack". They should apply the same fix to misdirect, which would solve that issue nicely.

Nandei · 03/04/09, 1:01 AM

Originally Posted by Kharthus

Has that really been proven? Or is it more likely that your auto-shot is sneaking in and eating up one of the charges?

I have had the same problem when MDing Sartharion himself. Each time I was moving when shooting Explosive Shot so no auto-shots should have been able to fire, yet all the times I have gotten some threat with him and a couple of times aggro. I have since switched to using arcane/aimed/auto on MD and have had no further problems.

alienangel · 03/04/09, 12:53 PM

The problem with mobs not accepting threat as soon as they become targetable has been around before, Magtheridon used to not accept threat right at the start of P2 as well.

As for threat from applying debuffs/buffs, I continue to be amused from things like P1 KT where I'll MD a tank to send an abom to him, and immediately see "attacking you" flash up above 3 skeletons, presumably because I applied buffs to myself and the tank.

Ardeaf · 03/04/09, 1:15 PM

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affy · 03/04/09, 7:54 PM

Hi Guys,

I am using the 6/14/51 spec but not sure how to best utilise my shot rotation. Can anyone share there rotation and explain why they have decided on it.

Thanks - Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Namarus · 03/04/09, 7:58 PM

Originally Posted by affy

Hi Guys,

I am using the 6/14/51 spec but not sure how to best utilise my shot rotation. Can anyone share there rotation and explain why they have decided on it.

Thanks - Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I'd be happy to share. Start by reading the thread.