The Survival Hunter in WotLK - Page 111

kthreev · 03/06/09, 7:41 AM

Originally Posted by manucv7

If someone could look at our last Patchwerk down, and tell me if my numbers are correct with this level or gear, or if I should be doing more dps, I'd really appreciate ^^

Here's the report : Wow Web Stats

For a 4 minute kill, 4500 dps is more than fine.

Kill time really heavily affects total dps, probably more than most people realize. When my guild could only do 4 minute Patchwerk kills, I was averaging 4300 dps. Now, we're doing 2:30 kills, and my dps averages at around 5400 (with virtually no gear upgrades, 1-2 minimal upgrades at most).

Fierra · 03/06/09, 9:24 AM

Originally Posted by Zaoldyeck

WWS from my recent PW kill:Wow Web Stats
this is my armory link : The World of Warcraft Armory

I am not trap dancing during this fight,due to the fact that i always get hateful whenever i tried to lay a trap
i am wondering if 5300 dps is okay with my level of gear.

Use your Feign Death before you go to lay a trap; the only reason you're eating Hatefuls is because your threat is 2nd on the aggro chart. And Shandara's Spreadsheet is a wonderful tool for estimating maximum DPS.

Berfert · 03/06/09, 9:31 AM

Originally Posted by Xoran

What should be possible is an addon which displays buttons for all shots and highlights what to use next. Reminds me of painting by numbers

I actually did some work on an addon like this. However, I had a hard time figuring out what the current cooldown was for each shot I was interested in, so I never got it to work to my satisfaction.

Danrith · 03/06/09, 9:56 AM

Originally Posted by radioheaded

I need some help.

I compared my damage on Patchwerk with other Hunters in the WMO Scoreboard. I couldn´t understand why I´m 600dps behind those Top DDs. EJ is my startpage, so I read the threads on daily bases and I´m sure I know how to play this class.

What I found out was, that my Max hits/crits are a lot lower than compared to others.

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In the example you posted, you're comparing yourself (Night Elf) with and Orc. I suspect the difference you're seeing is his orc racial, which is like an extra on-use AP trinket giving ~300AP for 15 seconds. That could account for the difference in max hits.

Ketari · 03/06/09, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Xoran

What should be possible is an addon which displays buttons for all shots and highlights what to use next. Reminds me of painting by numbers

There are ones for Shadowpriests (Facemelter) and DK's (Facesmasher), so certainly it's possible. Desireable? Well...

alienangel · 03/06/09, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by radioheaded

I need some help.

I compared my damage on Patchwerk with other Hunters in the WMO Scoreboard. I couldn´t understand why I´m 600dps behind those Top DDs. EJ is my startpage, so I read the threads on daily bases and I´m sure I know how to play this class.

What I found out was, that my Max hits/crits are a lot lower than compared to others.

For example :

Ryshu (Hunter):

WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish

Fered�*r (myself) (Hunter)

WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish

This is just an excerpt of the many logs I´ve checked. Let´s talk numbers :

( ">" = More dmg than my shot ; Crit = max crit ; Hit = normal max hit)

ES : >Crit 760 ; >Hit 80 ----> Avg. >Crit 386 ; >Hit 89 ----> Avg. Crits > 8% ; Hits > 4,5%

SS : >Crit 80 ; >Hit 8 ----> Avg. >Crit 256 ; >Hit 19 ----> Avg. Crits > 7,5% ; Hits > 3%

AS : >Crit 588 ; >Hit 167 ----> Avg. >Crit 252 ; >Hit 158 ----> Avg. Crits > 7% ; Hits > 9%

MS : >Crit 429 ; >Hit 192 ----> Avg. >Crit 292 ; >Hit 216 ----> Avg. Crits > 6% ; Hits > 11%

Killtime difference 10sek.

We have almost the same Equip, both 6/14/51. I was using the right ammo, dual pots, food etc...

First I thought that I wasn´t in Sniper Training range but the numbers are awefully odd and I´m quite sure I was. My guess would be a missing debuff, but I can´t figure it out.

Well, your uptime on retribution aura was 2%, so that's 3% damage and haste lost there, along with probably losing Strength of Earth if you're counting on an enhancement shaman to drop the talented one or a DK to refresh Horn of Winter. Don't stand at sniper training range unless you're sure you're always in range of these buffs. His Ret Aura doesn't show in the logs, so he may have spent the whole fight in range, but given the lack of JoW maybe he doesn't have a ret pally.

He's also an orc so will have higher max damage in the same gear, not sure what professions the two of you have (him being JC+LW and you not can add quite a lot of AP.

Oh, and you appear to have been out of range of Abominations Might in that parse?

Baccon · 03/06/09, 11:55 AM

Im new to this website so I thought I might ask in here for some help with my DPS as SV.

The problem I'm having is that on fights like Patchwerk, I can only seem to put out about 4.6k DPS.

Now I have seen from other SV hunters that its possible to do around 6k DPS.

My shot rotation is Serp Sting>ES>MS>SS>SS>ES>SS>MS>SS>ES and then for LnL procs its ES>SS>ES>SS>ES.

I am using a cat for DPS at the moment, but I believe that a raptor is a slightly higher DPS pet if I'm correct.

Current glyphs:
-Imp Serpent Sting
-Imp AotH
-Imp Steady Shot

I run with a dreanei in my group so the slight hit cap loss is made up there.

http://http://www.wowarmory.com/char...ghelm&n=Baccon - Armory Link

http://http://wowwebstats.com/ce62td...=180090-213179 - Current WWS

If anybody can help that would be great because I really feel like I am letting my guild down, and at times holding them back. Thanks.

Namarus · 03/06/09, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by alienangel

Well, your uptime on retribution aura was 2%, so that's 3% damage and haste lost there, along with probably losing Strength of Earth if you're counting on an enhancement shaman to drop the talented one or a DK to refresh Horn of Winter. Don't stand at sniper training range unless you're sure you're always in range of these buffs. His Ret Aura doesn't show in the logs, so he may have spent the whole fight in range, but given the lack of JoW maybe he doesn't have a ret pally.

He's also an orc so will have higher max damage in the same gear, not sure what professions the two of you have (him being JC+LW and you not can add quite a lot of AP.

Oh, and you appear to have been out of range of Abominations Might in that parse?

Also to tag on. Ammuntion can be a factor. Are you using mammoth cutters?

Senicus · 03/06/09, 1:34 PM

I've been looking at my wws from patchwerk for a few hours now and can't figure something out.

Wow Web Stats

My Explosive shot criticals/hits are hitting for much lower than other hunters. I'm using just about the same amount of shots and I am keeping serpent sting/hunters' mark up and my rotation is flawless, but comparing my report to other hunters my explosive shot is still hitting about 400 dmg lower. It is max rank explosive shot and we have sunder/ff on the boss. Does anyone have any ideas here that could help me out? I have almost all best in slot gear and am usually hitting 5300-5600 on patch and just under 5k on others, but there has to be some sort of buff missing that i'm overlooking that maybe someone more experienced with wws can find right away.

Nekominimya · 03/06/09, 1:34 PM

The time has come for me to ask, as many others have asked, what am I doing wrong?
According to the dps reports linked for a Patchwerk fight, I had a DPS of 4707 BUT! The DPS spreadsheet says that fully buffed I can do around 5600 DPS. This leaves me confused...
I do know that the dps spreadsheet is just numbers and whatnot and that other things can hamper DPS like latency or having to move or things like being unlucky with LnL procs or something like that...but this is almost a 1k dps difference from what I actually did and what the spreadsheet says I should be able to do. Am I dpsing wrong or not using a correct shot rotation or is my spec completely horrible (4/16/51)? I just want some feedback as to how I could better myself as a player.

My current shot rotation is what seems to be the generic shot rotation of:
Serp > ES > Aimed > Steadyx2 > ES > Steadyx3 etc etc

Heres my armory link: The World of Warcraft Armory
Heres the "WWS" link (we use WoW Meter Online): WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish

Edit: Although I could be doing something right/getting better gear/etc because the week before I had 3800ish dps on Patchwerk so I'm just really confused now @_@

Nagisamuro · 03/06/09, 1:45 PM

Originally Posted by Senicus

there has to be some sort of buff missing that i'm overlooking that maybe someone more experienced with wws can find right away.

Well, without seeing the WWS reports for the hunters to which you are comparing yourself, it is hard to say for certain. But, in your raid you had 1 warlock, who was putting up Curse of Agony. If he had put up Curse of the Elements instead, your ExShot damage should have been 10% higher.

I have never played a warlock past level 26, so I'll stop short of saying he wasn't doing he job right, but from what I've seen on the spreadsheet that is one very nice 'buff' for survival hunters.

edit: Ah, sorry. As Rivkah points out below, the boomkin was taking care of this with Earth and Moon.

Fierra · 03/06/09, 1:52 PM

Originally Posted by Nekominimya

The time has come for me to ask, as many others have asked, what am I doing wrong?
According to the dps reports linked for a Patchwerk fight, I had a DPS of 4707 BUT! The DPS spreadsheet says that fully buffed I can do around 5600 DPS. This leaves me confused...
I do know that the dps spreadsheet is just numbers and whatnot and that other things can hamper DPS like latency or having to move or things like being unlucky with LnL procs or something like that...but this is almost a 1k dps difference from what I actually did and what the spreadsheet says I should be able to do. Am I dpsing wrong or not using a correct shot rotation or is my spec completely horrible (4/16/51)? I just want some feedback as to how I could better myself as a player.

My current shot rotation is what seems to be the generic shot rotation of:
Serp > ES > Aimed > Steadyx2 > ES > Steadyx3 etc etc

Heres my armory link: The World of Warcraft Armory
Heres the "WWS" link (we use WoW Meter Online): WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish

Edit: Although I could be doing something right/getting better gear/etc because the week before I had 3800ish dps on Patchwerk so I'm just really confused now @_@

1) Are you still using the standard buffs on Shandara's sheet, or have you altered them to fit your actual raid buffs?
2) Keep in mind that on the spreadsheet, Raptor dps is averaged over time to count a substantial number of crits; your pet's 3 SRs had no crit at all for the fight.
3) Spreadsheet also averages together proc timers, etc., which can result in overall higher dps than is realistically attainable.
4) Some of your buffs weren't on the fight as often as you'd probably like: Abom Might (66%), Imp Icy Talons (1%), did someone die or not reapply them?
5) Only 3 LnL? If you trapdance, you can force 2 PPM, so on a 2:30min fight I'd expect at least 4 LnL, if not more; but you only used Immo trap once. I'd suggest, for now, using Frost Trap and SrS to maximise LnL dps through double-procs.

Well, without seeing the WWS reports for the hunters to which you are comparing yourself, it is hard to say for certain. But, in your raid you had 1 warlock, who was putting up Curse of Agony. If he had put up Curse of the Elements instead, your ExShot damage should have been 10% higher.

I have never played a warlock past level 26, so I'll stop short of saying he wasn't doing he job right, but from what I've seen on the spreadsheet that is one very nice 'buff' for survival hunters.

Yes; CoE typically adds at least 150-200dps for me on bosses. If they have it, and aren't using it, ask them why!

Rivkah · 03/06/09, 2:03 PM

Originally Posted by Nagisamuro

Well, without seeing the WWS reports for the hunters to which you are comparing yourself, it is hard to say for certain. But, in your raid you had 1 warlock, who was putting up Curse of Agony. If he had put up Curse of the Elements instead, your ExShot damage should have been 10% higher.

Actually if you look more closely at that WWS you'll see that there was a boomkin who was putting up Earth and Moon, so he did have the 13% spell dmg debuff up- most raids have either an unholy DK putting up ebon plague or a boomkin with earth and moon so usually the warlock doesn't have to give up their personal dps to put up CoE (how much loss it is varies on spec).

elandriel · 03/06/09, 4:01 PM

Newest changes (according to mmo-champion)

Survival
T.N.T. now affects Black Arrow.
Trap Mastery now affects Black Arrow.

What I gather from the quote above is Trap Mastery increasing Black Arrow damage by 10/20/30%. What puzzles me is T.N.T.: does it add the "Explosive Shot refreshes Black Arrow on target" effect or is simply a further 2/4/6% increase damage for Black Arrow? Anyone able to confirm this yet?

Shandara · 03/06/09, 4:04 PM

Originally Posted by elandriel

Newest changes (according to mmo-champion)

What i gather from the quote above is that T.N.T. adds the "Explosive Shot refreshes Black Arrow on target" effect and Trap Mastery increasing Black Arrow damage by 10/20/30%. Anyone able to confirm this yet?

MMO talent calculator just states that TNT also increases Black Arrow damage done by 6%.