Many thanks for the comments. After a few checks, you points are entirely relevant. I manually added 10% crit to my stats, and it reduced the 2nd point GftT change from 71Dps to around 30 Dps and it took an additional 6% crit before the effects of the 2nd point change became negligible. Ie at around 56% crit.

I run 10 mans and therefore unlikely to have all available buffs. I’ll repopulate the sheet with likely scenarios to give myself the best all round spec for my situation.

Thanks again for the input.

The LnL proc rate % kinda died down, do we still need more data or is it clear that it is at ~20%.

Hey guys,

I've been trying to read all relevent posts here, but as you can imagine it would take a lifetime and by the looks of it a PHD in maths Basicially im having a bit of trouble with SV atm, even with massive gear improvements im finding my dps is not raising as i thought it would be. Atm on fights with no damage modifiers like the first boss in TotC im maxing out at 6100 steady dps. According to the dps sheet i should be getting around 7700dps fully 25man raid buffed. At first i thought the issue was fps or connection lag, but fps is stead at 30+ during boss fights and connection lag is steady at 90-150ms. I;m currently using the reccomended rotation by you guys, spec and glyphs (2 x sv specs at the moment)

At this stage im not sure whats wrong, is it my spec, my gear or am i just shit? Each raid is optimized so i always have the usual boomkin for fairie fire, sunders from warriors, killer instincts all pala buffs and the likes, fully raid buffed with my own crit abilities im hitting about <65% crit All my gems are +20 agi apart from the 2 purple gems +10 agi +15 stam for the meta bonus. What im noticing is i crit alot more, but my crits do not seem to be hitting any harder, should i loose the extra crit from agi gems and gem fully for ARP ?

Basicially im just not sure what my next steps are, between my 2 SV specs the dps is only different by <200. Any and all help and criticism is greatly appreciated!

Oh just noticed clicking my profile on the left dosen't bring me to the armory page, so im guessing its the same for you guys, so here is the armory link:

The World of Warcraft Armory

Also as a side not, my current weapons have replaced XT Hard mode gun, and General hardmode staff. I woudl consider what i have now as better, but am open to oppinions on this.

1 thing I noticed right off the bat is you are over your hit cap by 3.34%. That's alot of stats that could be spent otherwise, (This is assuming you'd have a draenei in your raid which I'm sure would be the case, if not, 2.34% over hit). Right now your 2nd trinket Blood of the Old God is completely wasted except for the 1284 some AP proc. Gear wise besides that you're not bad. (Most people use the 21 AGI and 3% crit damage meta, but yours isn't real different)

Other than that it has to be execution, make sure you are doing things right and you should see your DPS increase.

Hi, Thanks for the input. Yeah i noticed im hugely over cap. But what can i do, most of the gear has HR on it. As for the Meta gem, i went with his one because it gives +.46% crit over 0.29% crit, and it would mean i'd have to put another yellow gem into my gear loosing out on a 20agi gem somewhere. The only other worthwhile trinket i have is loatheb's shadow which would be 1.83% crit and 670 AP on use every 2 mins. But if i swap this around then im 1% under cap. But just on cap with a draenei in the group. Ill try it out tonight and see how it goes.

While this isn't going to increase your dps by a whole lot, you could get the 21 agi 3% crit meta by replacing the gem in your shoulders with either a [Design: Forceful Eye of Zul] or a [Design: Jagged Eye of Zul]

As for the trinket, I'm pretty much in the same situation (way over the cap, but I'm not even considering taking off my Grim Toll). However, you could safely get rid of the Blood of the Old god, since there are probably enough draenei in your raid to cover that 1% even if you only had them as shamans, which I pretty much doubt. Loatheb's shadow is if I recall a pretty weak choice, though. A Greatness card (and the upgrade [Death's Verdict]) would still be a good option, especially as Survival, and I imagine so would a [Mjolnir Runestone] (although I have no idea if it shares a cooldown with the Grim Toll, but it's probably safer to replace the Grim because of the ArPen cap)

Thanks Aker, ive changed to that gem you reccomended and replaced the meta, never knew about that with the nightmare tear. Ive also equipped my mirror of truth and hopefully get to upgrade that soon.

If you are survival you should have a greatness card, period. It's better than every other trinket by a large margin. They cost a lot less than when I originally got mine now, maybe 5-6k compared to 9-10k.

First, hello to you all here at EJ. I have been stalking these forums for a while and decided to step forward.

I have some thoughts about the current "best dps spec" for sv hunters (2/18/51) found in the spreadsheet thread. When I switched to it, I noticed my mana running dry much faster (tho in 25-man raids, it was managable most of the time).

Is it so that this spec is purely ment for 25-man raiding? Because in small runs such as 5-man heroics, I can run out of mana in no-time (faster than before anyway). Have yet to try out 10-man.

My stats are not the best, but not so horrible either. I know I lack a lot of ArP. These are 100% unbuffed stats (aspect bonus is not in there). I do have the 2-set T9 bonus.

264 Hit
44.35% Crit
4857 AP
181 ArP
282 Haste

18814 HP
12446 Mana

Would I suffer a devastating dps-drop if I removed the 2 points from IAOTH and put them in TotH? I figured it might make the build work better if you lack mana-regenerating buffs etc (ofc there is always AotV but you don't want to switch into that too often). As stated I have yet to try 10-man runs with the 2/18/51. But i'm still curious if there is anyone who's not using this spec and still average a decent amount of dps.

I should probably give it a few more raids until I jump to any conclusions, seeing as I tried it the first time tonight.

2/18/51 is a 25 man raiding spec designed with the pure tank and spank fight in mind. If you get to fights where you're DPSing adds without JoW, and there are several in CC, it will run dry on mana too fast and underperform the old 15/56 build.

Ah, I should have known.

Has anyone compared a 18/53 build with the 15/56? Using improved stings from MM (for people with 2piece t9).

This is what I have in mind
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

I am also specced 15/56
I have been beating my head against the wall trying to figure out why my dps is so low, compared to people in my guild with similar gear.
The World of Warcraft Armory


Rotation is BA ES AS Serp and SS

I am doing 4100dps in 25 man and I should be doing 7700dps.

I can do 3400dps highest on the dummy.

no lag at all.


please let me know what you think

Thanks

I would go with ES BA SrS AS SS, and if LnL procs wait .5s unless BA or SrS is up then fire immediately.
Your hit rating is high. 264 is the cap, you have 304
Your crit rating is high enough to support a 3/15/53, 4/15/52, 0/18/53, or 1/18/52 spec which is a nice dps boost. Any further leeching from your mana regen talents starts getting dangerous until you ahve higher crit/int and fight durations shorten.

I used 0/18/53 in naxx gear and was able to get 6k on patchwork which is what the spreadsheet told me I would do. I can only imagine as fights have become more mobile, and set bonuses increase SrS dmg, it will continue to outperform 3/15/53, and 0/15/56.

Zeheras DPS Analyzer shows me 0/15/56 as superior compared to 0/18/53 or 3/15/53 (even with 2pc T8 + 2pc T9 boni). I see the reason for this in the dramatically increasing levels of agility which make Hunting Party a viable DPS talent besides the obvious raid support.
1% (or 3%) of our agility just is far more now than it was in Naxx.

But since my main spec is MM I have pretty much ArP, which maybe pushes the results towards 0/15/56.

Hey,
i'm very confused about some numbers in the spreadsheet, femaledwarf & sites like hunterloot etc.

At the moment i'm playing with [Westfall Saber] and [Steel Bladebreaker]
If i change them to [Marrowstrike] i see a dps increase, which i can't understand..

Let's look at these Items:
1. 110 Agi, 103 Stam, 73 Crit, 163 AP, 68 ArP (+ 2 x 26 Agi)
2. 126 Agi, 101 Stam, 57 Crit, 154 AP, 60 ArP (+ 110 AP)

Am i wrong if i prefer the both 1-H-Weapons?
I can't see the problem why Marrowstrike should be better?!

- Edit: Or is there a known bug in the spreadsheet etc.?

Can you be more specific? I loaded your profile into the 92PTR2 spreadsheet. With the pre-loaded buffs it shows your dps as 8665, with [Marrowstrike]. Using [Westfall Saber] and [Steel Bladebreaker] it increased your dps to 8691. Delta of 26.

If you take the raw item values for the 2h vs 2x 1H, using the values from the spreadsheet, you get;
[Marrowstrike] - 537
[Westfall Saber] and [Steel Bladebreaker] - 560

Which is a delta of 23, which is pretty close the dps change of 26.

Also, fwiw, keeping [Marrowstrike], but pushing the 'Regem' button, shows your potential dps as 8743. Or 8766 with the 2x 1h equipped. (delta of 23)

Each person's values will vary slightly, assuming full raid buffs for Bolg;

1x2H = (126x1.725) + (101x.333) + (57x1.054) + (264x.634) + (60x.976) = 537
2x1H = (162x1.725) + (103x.333) + (73x1.054) + (163x.634) + (68x.976) = 560

This should help us a bit in aoe situations.

Hm. Not sure how exactly volley works, but that's a 40% buff to volley's scaling? Sounds like quite a bit (perhaps undoing the early 3.0 nerf to volley?) - around 240 damage more at 8k RAP before damage modifiers. Does that apply per tick, or is it spread across all the ticks?

While on the subject, I've never seen any actual formula on how volley works. It appears to scale directly off AP, with some fairly high base damage, but be completely unaffected by weapon and ammo. Haste rating and % haste both affect the duration of the channel, but there seems to be a haste-independent delay between casting and the first tic (perhaps just due to latency?). And given how large the crits are, I believe it uses our full talented ranged crit modifier, although I haven't tested. Nor do I know whether the crits proc GfTT, EW or TotH.

Has anyone done any real testing to work out how the damage is calculated?

Any thoughts on the 0/18/53 build with the buff to the 2 pc t9 set bonus? i know Rikvah's model shows it being a positive, im just curious as to the thoughts of the general populace on whether this will be considered the new default spec when using the 2 pc bonus

Can you link that spec?
Can't tell if you are dropping to 1/3 in expose and doing something else with the points there.

It is indeed undoing the scaling nerf (the base damage remains lower). The old number is 70% of the new number, hence it fits the 30% reduction in scaling Volley recieved.
It will certainly help, it was a little tiresome to see crits that equalled what others got in normal hits.

How it works seems to be no weapon or ammo DPS. The numbers given as the scaling portion per tick, and it goes off our ranged crit, and uses RAP of course. The delay from cast to tick is something all casters with this kind of AoE suffers (including DnD I believe). I don't know why that is so, but since Fan of Knives was nerfed, and it was the main instant AoE, I don't think it is much to think about.
It might however be worth to test if the initial delay is affected by Haste in any way (I know for a fact that Rapid Fire doesn't worth with Volley in general, but that seems to be a different issue).