Frostfox - EOD

How does it compare to the Marks spec??? Is changing back to Survival a better option with the Tier 9 gear??? And if so, still need to know which points to drop to add to the Improved Stings.... Any suggestions there????

 

Hagen

About where to cut the points for Improved Stings: With the help of the DPS analyzer I chose to take one point from Expose Weakness and two out of Resourcefulness. This leaves me with the best DPS (depending on the DPS analyzer) and I keep bringing Replenishment when it's needed.

 

KraxisSingular

Interesting change for Assassination Rogues. Murder will be a flat 4% damage increase to avoid locking too many bosses out of in ICC.

Cound this potentially count for Imp Tracking? I still remember Ulduar and the non-trivial amount of bosses that didn't fall under that talent (Mechanicals and Unknown). And unlike Murder all three mains specs rely on Imp Tracking. Maybe Blizzard is beginning an early outphasing of such talents (Crusade cound be considered as well, but since it apply to far less types it can be considered an extra bonus, rather than a specific requirement).

But then again, it doesn't look like ICC will feature untrackable bosses.

 

alienangel

Imp Tracking allows bonus damage against several more types of creatures than current Murder does though, so it's much less restrictive of encounter design - basically blizzard is only forced to make the hunter talent not work when they have a compelling reason to make a boss Unspecified or Mechanical. Murder on the other hand gets made useless whenever something is undead, demonic, elemental, which are probably a lot more common choices for boss types.

Personally I'm hoping they put some Demon bosses back in so I can use my stash of Demonslaying Elixirs, which AFAIK are still better than level 80 elixirs and flasks. They've managed to avoid putting any in level 80 raids

 

sefren

Jaraxxus in ToC is demon boss, the Elixirs of Demon Slaying still work on him.

 

KraxisSingular

Nevertheless, having such important talents knocked out is not what I would consider very impressive. And I believe that Blizzard, with the incoming Cata changes to talents, are beginning to see it too.
I actually consider Imp Tracking to be considerably worse than Murder in this regard, despite affecting more targets. The relative bonus is about the same (4% and 4.2ish%, remember the pet here), yet Imp Tracking is 5 points with no real viable options for all 5 points. At least Murder is 2 points, which can all be placed elsewhere. And Crusade is a basic 1% talent line with an extra bonus so I won't get into that one.

I guess I'm rambling, especially considering that ICC in all will have completely trackable bosses, unless bosses like Sindragosa or one of the final wingbosses are Unknown. But I find it positive that they actually take such considerations in mind now. Remember for Murder the same problem was present in Naxx, and to a considerable extent in Ulduar too. So I'm sitting here hoping.

 

alienangel

I suppose I should have said important bosses. Jaraxxus is barely worth flasking for currently since DPS on him (as opposed to his portals) isn't a barrier to killing him. Twins/Hodir/Thorim/Anub would be IMO more the sort of boss I'd like to use demonslaying elixirs on.

edit: come to think of it, I'm not sure what type of mob Jaraxxus' portals are

 

KraxisSingular

Unknown... Or Uncategorized as the name really is. Nether Portal. So no Demonslaying on them or various +damage talents.

 

DerailedThread

Is resourcefulness talent showing up as minus dps for anyone else when you get 1/3? I'm not sure what's up. Even with 3 points, the most dps gain i see is around 5.

 

chucknourish

Hello fellow Community,

I have been reading this forums for ages and I decided to make the next step and create an account.
However im not extraordinary at maths, so i cant really help on the thinktank discussions but i wanted to share a problem I encountered since i got DeathsVerdict.

When both of my trinkets procc, i have 83,91% Crit +4%EW(glyph) +15%ST = 103%Crit.
Now, i think it would be time to get EW to 1/3 and i would have a point leftover but whatever i do in the spreadsheets leaves me with a dps loss at the end.

1/5 iAoTH
1/3 Stings
1/2 RF

So i was wondering if anyone else has got experience and workarounds to this problem.

Ty in advance chuck

 

jessequach

I found great results with spec 1/18/52 when my crit was around 46% on the character sheet. You can try my spec to see if its a dps increase for you. If you want a more detail spec info my toon name is shipuu on cho'gall. I would do a armory link, but currenty on a phone.