Thank you for your feedback Jobby. I'll edit the text from the first post with some of your points in mind.

A few reactions:

About ImpAotHawk (and Focussed Aim): Off course both these talents are only usefull untill the Hitrating and/or Hasterating on your gear suffices. Untill then these are good options to improve your dps.

About not speccing into Explosive Shot. At the moment I agree with you, I love Explosive Shot, but I can see Hybrid speccs becoming viable in time. The bit about rotations is rough, I'll add to that some more.

Steady Shot (now?) using unmodified Weaponspeed is (very) new to me, since I recall it used to normalise weaponspeed to 2.8. If I remembered wrong or this has changed, then you're right and a slow weapon would be better then a fast one.

The part on Glyphs and Pets is still very rough and partially nicked from Mattaos'BM Hunter thread. I'll edit later.

Furious Howl? Yes, but the same is true for either Armor reductionabilities from the Wasp and the Sporebat. There is a list with slotsharing of various buffs and debuffs, I'll find it and link it in the initial post.

This indeed used to be the case, however, looking at Regenalds WWS-log (thanks for that btw) his scorpid did 1359 dps out of 4109 dps total, or 33% of his damage. That is not really a factor you'd want to jeopardise.

The professions will be addressed later. I want to list usefull items and enchants per profession too.

Edit: Thanks Rivkah. Some of your points have been adresses above. I'll take your other remarks into consideration. The initial post isn't quite fleshed out how I wan't it yet. Time is a rare comodity however. All chapters are to receive further attention and will undergo changes. Professions for example Ive not really looked into yet, so your remarks are much appreciated.

I'm not sure I like the talent sniper training that much. It seems that on a lot of fights, we are stacking up together very close to the boss and aside from the 15% kill shot crit, the 3 points in sniper training just aren't that great. It also seems very dangerous to be too far from the boss as we may outrange very important raid buffs. A good example of this would be on a patchwerk fight where I accidentally out ranged our ret pally's retribution aura which I depend on for 3% haste to hit the haste cap. It was basically:

Me <=======32ish yards===> PW <=Pally behind patchwerk.

This can also happen with totems or warrior shouts and a number of other raidwide buffs which leads me to believe sniper training is pretty bad.

True, but on a fight where you have to focus on other aspects (movement, trapping, getting the flock out of the way), you can estimate your DPS based on what you have left available. For BM hunters whose pets are doing 40-50% of their DPS, the hunter having to run and hide will drop their DPS in half (assuming the pet can stay out there). As a raid leader you can figure out who to assign to various tasks based on how badly they'll be affected as a result of these quirks.

It's also useful for figuring out upgrades. If a BM hunter has a way to increase their pet DPS by 5% while losing 5% of their steady shot damage, it's probably an upgrade. Since SV hunters are so evenly distributed, any gain is most likely offset by an equal loss somewhere else. But since there is so much movement, I'd strongly consider a gain to an ability usable on the move to outweigh an equal loss to steady/auto.

Well of course. As explosive shot in an ideal setting does as much damage as auto/steady, it's common sense that something that gives you a 2% gain on explosive would outweigh a 2% loss to auto/steady.

Sniper training is garbage. I see far far more use out of scattershot and entrapment, on fights like malygos to stop the sparks or kel to temporarily disable an mc'd raid member, then I would ever see out of sniper training. Again, people that dismiss these utility talents because they don't yield raw dps on fights like patchwerk aren't looking at the raid setting as a whole.

Entrapment is a double-edged sword, it carries the risk of getting people killed because a mob got rooted right next to them. Scatter shot is nice, but given that wyvern sting is already a standard part of the survival spec, it's rare that I'm feeling like I need scatter on top of it- between traps and wyvern sting I usually have enough tools to deal with situations, and scatter shot really doesn't last very long and has such a short range. If you don't consider sniper training to be any value, then I could see taking those, but it's not like survival hunters have no other tools available to them when trouble arises, and I find I can use sniper training enough to justify it over other talents. That being said, I think Blizz really needs to rethink the talent since it runs counter to so many other priorities in raiding.

What is the feasibility of using traps on fights in our rotation? Standing the minimum 5 yards from patchwerk and doing our normal rotation while stepping in during an explosive shot GCD refresh to get in position and drop immolation trap and stepping out during immolation trap refresh. For the cost of a GCD, we could get 3-4k dmg off our immolation trap with we have trap mastery as well as having lock and load guarantee proc every 30 seconds.

EDIT: Just shot dummies in ogrimmar at minimum range. and found out you can place immolation trap down without having to move for it to activate. With glyph of immolation, we'd be replacing a steady shot with a ~5k+ immolation trap + L&L procs.

Yes, Ive tried this, and have found the range where you can shoot and place a trap within triggering range. However, and thats what I mentioned in the first post in relation to PoNE, for any Boss that moves even an inch you will have problems. If a trap you placed doesn't trigger because the Boss just moved a yard you've wasted mana and a GCD. I think any necesity to move will probably negate the benefits, but it's worth a try.
I did however in my long chats with mr. Dummy notice the damage per GCD for Immolation Trap and the L&L component too. It is a feasible rotation I think in terms of max damage, but if you can pull it off at Raidbosses...

Nice that a discussion is starting btw

Great that a survival discussion has finally started, i have always been mostly a BM hunter but with the new Dual Spec feature coming up i think it would be beneficial to be able to play both specs in a raid environment as we generally are short on replenishment classes oddly enough - with all the ret paladins running around who would have thought?

I have also done some testing on dummies with traps and found there is a few yards worth of leeway (about 2-3) on it but i would much like to test it on bosses with much larger hitboxes to see if the bigger hitbox makes it easier or harder to get a trap onto. From what i have found raiding the content thus far there is a fair few encounters that require raid stacking making sniper training somewhat not as useful as originally thought so that sitting close to the boss may be more beneficial as it allows you to *maybe* place traps and be in range of things like Tricks of the Trade, Leader of the Pack, Unleashed Rage etc that you wouldn't be able sometimes get standing at long distances.

That being said if Smoggers points about going into Imp Aspect of the Hawk is theorectically uneccessary being only an autoshot DPS gain seeing as our gear, specifically our tier 7 set is laced with haste and ofcourse that it is possible to stand at a distance where traps can go off as well as being able to shoot - perhaps a spec like or similar to this may be viable?: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

That's why you itemize correctly and don't blanket yourself in so much haste to remove iaoth as a viable talent. Our tier7 is garbage and nearly every single slot that it would occupy has a much better alternative.

Does hit rating affect immolation trap? I'm at the 8% hit cap but every now and then I still see my immolation trap missing the heroic training dummy. Is it possible that 8% hit cap is only for ranged attacks and 9% is for everything else?