Perhaps someone that actually has a druid alt can answer better than me, but I didn't think that weapon dps had ANYTHING to do with druid-form dps; I thought it relied much more heavily on stats, which is why the druid staves had so much extra AP just for them.

in the following patch all weapons will have a feral Attack power bonus depending on their weapon dps. So druids will benefit from weapon dps just as rogues wars etc...

"2 Webbed Death w/Exceptional Agility (+26) (stats rolled together)

Agility: 138
SV Agility: 158.7
Stamina: 74
Hit: 42
Crit: 62
Haste: 0
AP: 132
Total AP: 270
SV AP: 312.9

Journey's End w/Massacre (+110 AP)

Agility: 87
SV Agility: 100.05
Stamina: 114
Hit: 0
Crit: 57
Haste: 75
AP: 338 (since in 3.0.8 druid staffs will remove STR and give twice that as AP)
Total AP: 425
SV AP: 472.25"

This is only part of the picture.
(We will assume full Kings,HvW, and LR)
Webbed Deaths
138+25%=172.5 agility
Crit
172.5*0.012= 2.07+{(64*0.022)=1.41}=3.48% Total Crit
AP
Stam 74+20%=88.8-70%=26.64Ap
Agility 172.5+25%(EW)=215.625AP From Agility
132+26.64+215.625= 374.27 total AP

Journey's End
87+25%=108.75 agility
Crit
108.75*0.012=1.305+{(57*0.022)=1.254}=2.56% Crit
AP
Stam 114+20%=125.4-70%=41.04Ap
Agility 108.75+25%(EW)=135.938
338+135.938+41.04=516.662 total AP

Ok so overall.

Webbed death combo
Hit = 42
Crit = 3.48%
Ap = 374.27

Journey's End
Haste = 75
Crit = 2.56%
Ap = 516.66

Webbed vs Jouney's
-0.92% crit
+142.39 AP

Betrayer of Humanity
Haste = 57
Crit = 2.9%
Ap = 482.69

And just a toss up between the Haste and hit, its what you need more of.
I am still going to take a Journey's End but once I get a pair of Webbed Death's I might switch to them.

Added FYI
Betrayer of Humanity
66 Agility
121 Stamina
87 Crit
57 haste
226 Ap

66+25%=82.5 agility
Crit
82.5*0.012= 0.99+{(87*0.022)=1.914}= 2.90% Crit
Ap
Stam 121+20%=145.2-70%=43.56
Agility 82.5+25%(EW)=103.13Ap
226+110+43.56+103.13=482.69 total ap

Betrayer of Humanity
Haste = 57
Crit = 2.9%
Ap = 482.69

Assuming they add a 55 Agility to 2H

Journey's End
142+25%=177.5 agility
Crit
177.5*0.012=2.13={(57*0.022)=1.254}=3.38% Crit
AP
Stam 114+10%=125.4-70%=37.62Ap
Agility 177.5+25%(EW)=221.88
228+221.88+37.62= 487.5 total AP


Webbed death combo
Hit = 42
Crit = 3.48%
Ap = 372.05

Journey's End
Haste = 75
Crit = 3.38%
Ap = 487.5

The statistics become much more appealing. I would hope they have plans for a 2H Agility enchant or at least let Mongoose proc ranged.

just don't forget about the Sinister Revenge - Item - World of Warcraft+Calamity's Grasp - Item - World of Warcraft combo, which is something in between (a bit more AP than on 2xWD, a bit more crit than on JE) and may be good for someone who is not hit-capped or wants some space for non-hit gearing.

The best way to do this is each weapon seperatly I will not include enchants
as they will effect each weapon equally.(We will assume full Kings,HvW, and LR)

Webbed Death
41 Agility
37 stamina
21 hit
31 crit
66 Ap

Agility 41+25%=51.25
Crit
51.25*0.012= 0.615+{(31*0.022)=0.682}= 1.3% Crit
Ap
Agility 51.25+25%(EW)=64.06
Stamina 37+20%=44.4-70%=13.32
66+13.31+64.06= 143.37 total ap

Sinister Revenge
36 agility
42 Stamina
37 Hit
24 Haste
98 Ap

Agility 36+25%=45
Crit
45*0.012= 0.54% Crit
Ap
Agility 45+25%=56.25
Stamina 42+20%=50.4-70%=15.12
98+15.12+56.25=169.37total ap

Calamity's Grasp
36 agility
42 stamina
37 Crit
24 haste
98 Ap

Agility 36+25%=45
Crit
45*0.012=0.54+{(37*0.022)=0.814}= 1.35% Crit
Ap
Agility 45+25%=56.25
Stamina 42+20%=50.4-70%=15.12
98+15.12+56.25=169.37total ap

one hander agility enchant
26+25%=32.5
32.5*0.012=0.39% critX2= 0.78% crit
32.5+25%(EW)=40.63 total apX2 = 81.26ap


Calamity/Sinister With enchants
Haste = 48
Hit = 37
Crit = 2.67%
Ap = 420

Calamity/Webbed with enchants
Haste = 24
Hit = 21
Crit = 3.43%
Ap = 394

Delete please: re-ran math and Frelian was correct.

My math doesn't use any of your numbers.

This line is INcorrect
Stam 114+10%=125.4-70%=37.62Ap

Please copy and paste the incorrect math.


Ahhh I see I forgot to add Survivalist in there but thats ok it effects all the weapons equally so its still comparably right.

changed them all to include 10% for Survivalist and Kings

I am 99.99% (repeating) convinced that the [Formula: Enchant Weapon - Accuracy] enchant is better than the +26 AGI for 1-handers in most cases. The 2x25 HR would free up other gear slots and/or gem slots and the 2x25 Crit is gravy.

edit: for wrong link

I don't think so. Weapon dps is irrelevant to all druids, except moonkins who think they're tanks and want to hit something. Just like hunters, al druids care about are weapon stats.

I'm quite sure the best survival gear layout uses Journey's End. If fact, it's exactly the same as the marks' layout but with 20 agi on gloves instead of 44 ap.

Incorrect. Weapon DPs is used to calculate feral attack power. Regardless this is not the place for discussion of feral weapons, and what is better for them.



It is interesting to see these data comparisons of various weapons, but really they do not do a hunter justice. Mere stats of our stat sticks in isolation really doesn't mean anything at all. Since using some combinations of weapons and enchants will enable you to change around other pieces of gear to gain more dps. This is one of the reason I personally like hit rating on melee weapons, since that will enable me to drop hit rating pieces of armour for more direct damage stats.

You can see the effects of weapon changes easily when using the dps spreadsheet. Change over your weapons and you will find that other armour pieces are optimal vs the previous ones that you were using. The same applies with neck and in some cases trinket slots.

I'd be interested to see some optimal pieces of full gear sets that people who recommend and the reasons why they feel they are optimal. That would be a more reasoned approach.

I'd be curious to see a spreadsheet configuration that shows this - I've been prepping for SV in 3.0.8 and haven't yet found any combination that outweighs wearing Journey's End + "other stuff". If there is a better option, knowing it now would be great.

Right now, what I would consider aiming for personally in terms of gear to get ready for Uldar.

Melee - [Sinister Revenge] x2 [Formula: Enchant Weapon - Accuracy]

Helm - [Blue Aspect Helm] [Relentless Earthsiege Diamond] [Delicate Dragon's Eye][Arcanum of Torment]

Neck - [Favor of the Dragon Queen][Delicate Scarlet Ruby]

Shoulders - [Valorous Cryptstalker Spaulders][Delicate Scarlet Ruby][Greater Inscription of the Axe]

Back - [Drape of the Deadly Foe][Enchant Cloak - Major Agility]

Chest - [Chestguard of Flagrant Prowess][Delicate Scarlet Ruby][Delicate Dragon's Eye][Enchant Chest - Super Stats]

Wrist - [Slime Stream Bands][Delicate Scarlet Ruby][Item not found!]

Hands - [Gloves of Calculated Risk][Enchant Gloves - Major Agility]

Waist - [Torn Web Wrapping] [Eternal Belt Buckle][Delicate Scarlet Ruby]

Legs - [Valorous Cryptstalker Legguards][Delicate Scarlet Ruby][Delicate Scarlet Ruby][Icescale Leg Armor]

Feet - [Boots of the Renewed Flight][Formula: Enchant Boots - Greater Agility]

Ring - [Greatring of Collision][Delicate Dragon's Eye][Surge Needle Ring] Enchant Ring - Assaultx2

Trinket - [Fury of the Five Flights][Darkmoon Card: Greatness] agi one.

Ranged - [Envoy of Mortality][Heartseeker Scope][Mammoth Cutters]

Fully Raid Buffed - excluding pet damage.

5725.02 dps 2/18/51 talent spec

Explosive Shot > Kill Shot > Serpent Sting > Aimed Shot > Steady Shot

Glyph Serpent Sting
Glyph Steady Shot
Glyph Improved Aspect Of The Hawk

And where do you get this math? As I've seen posted, the pure AP boost you get over other weapons with Journey's End is just better.

So glad I picked one up in a PUG 25man naxx.

It's pretty hard to quantify hit and crit because it changes in dps value depending upon the person's gear level.

However, rough numbers from the spreadsheet, with my gear and spec

1 Hit rating = 0.693 dps = >50 HR = 34.65 dps
1 Critical strike rating = 0.473 dps => 50 CR = 23.65 dps

Total = 58.3 dps

1 AP = 0.412 dps => 110 AP => 45.32 dps

I've not factored in the 10% from AP buff auras. However, it is pretty apparent to see massacre doesn't add up.

Compare this to what you have:

Melee - [Journey's End] + Massacre
Helm - [Blue Aspect Helm] + Arc of Torment + Delicate Scarlet Ruby
Neck - [Favor of the Dragon Queen] + Delicate Scarlet Ruby
Shoulders - [Valorous Cryptstalker Spaulders] + Delicate Scarlet Ruby
Back - [Drape of the Deadly Foe] + 22 AGI
Chest - [Valorous Cryptstalker Tunic] + Delicate Scarlet Ruby x2
Wrist - [Slime Stream Bands] + Delicate Scarlet Ruby
Hands - [Frosted Adroit Handguards] + 20 AGI
Waist - [Torn Web Wrapping] + Buckled Delicate Scarlet Ruby
Legs - [Leggings of the Honored] + Delicate Scarlet Ruby + Enchanted Tear
Feet - [Boots of the Renewed Flight] + 16 AGI
Ring 1 - [Surge Needle Ring]
Ring 2 - [Strong-Handed Ring]
Trinket 1 - [Fury of the Five Flights]
Trinket 2 - [Darkmoon Card: Greatness]
Ranged - [Envoy of Mortality] + Heartseeker Scope

It's 14 hit over cap, but any attempt to switch gear results in a dps downgrade.

Yeah, Massacre is weak but itself, but it's so easy to get over the hit cap with ilevel 226 gear that Accuracy becomes half-useless.

Would you please post what build/buffs you have with that gear build as when I plug that in with mine I get a loss of ~6 DPS.

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I would be interested in looking at your setup. Clearly it sounds like your on to something. Is that damage number without a pet?

What do you mean? I assume you mean that I am not activating the metagem? [Delicate Dragon's Eye] for fills the meta requirements.

My setup is as follows:
Melee Weapon-Journey's End
Head-Blue Aspect Helm
Neck-Fool's Trial
Shoulders- Valorous Cryptstalker Spaulders
Back-Drape of the Deadly Foe
Chest-Valorous Cryptstalker Tunic
Wrist-Slime Stream Bands
Hands-Frosted Adroit Handguards
Waist-Torn Web Wrapping
Legs-Leggings of Failed Escape
Feet-Boots of the Renewed Flight
Rings-Surge Needle Ring, Strong-Handed Ring
Trinkets-Fury of the Five Flights, Darkmoon Card: Greatness
Ranged Weapon-Envoy of Mortality

Gems are agi/stam one blue socket, and an agi/crit gem in a yellow for the meta. Agi in all remaining slots. No profession related bonuses are used on any gear. Spec, as mentioned above, is 1/18/52 and using the most current spreadsheet release. The DPS number is Total DPS including pet damage (cat).

Also, when plugging in the set you posted earlier i got 123 DPS higher than you reported it as returning for some reason I can not figure out.

p.s. I can't seem to get my wowhead links to work so just typed item names.
Edit: after a little more tweaking with gems and remembering to use the 67.5 DPS ammo it now shows 6063.86 predicted DPS.