Griefknight

I raided everything up to BT on my hunter but I made this DK my main and now I do nothing but raid so I decided to level my hunter and I have a few questions. I plan on going SV to raid with and I need a general raiding spec, I also don't know what my rotation should look like... I was thinking that using SrS then ES and then SS until ES is up would be the rotation?

 

Seraphism

Testing on the target dummy you can drop immo and then frost every 24 seconds and still get LnL procs.

 

jsterr1

You stated that you have a large honking bar pop up when lock and load procs... how do you do that? i spent the last 30 minutes in the mod's settings and have had no luck putting the same bar up in the middle of my screen.

 

Tred

Lazy much? Go back a few pages in this thread alone and all your questions should be answered.

 

Sthellesta

However, the immolation trap proc will initiate the cooldown for the serpent sting procs. If a frost trap can get a guaranteed proc every 24 seconds, that would be better as then serpent sting could continue to proc LnL also, leading to even more LnL procs in the long run.

 

ekhowl

In Elkano's Buff Bars, it is done like this:

1) Create new group and name it to "procbar" or whatever.
2) Adjust the scale, height and width to make it big enough and place it in the middle of your screen.
3) Go to Filter, select White List and select Lock and Load from the list of buffs.

That's simply it - next time your LnL procs, you can't miss it! :-)

HTH!

 

Crydak

For MSBT it's done like this:
Create a new Trigger/Event and add this:

Aura Application:
Skill Name - Is Equal To - Lock and Load
Recipient Unit Affiliation - Is Equal To - You


Voila!

 

KraxisSingular

Since I have gone with the assumption that Frost would not be triggered by bosses as they are immune to the effect, and I have of course not specced Resourcefulness, is it now safe to assume that Frost Traps actually do trigger on bosses (there has been a few uncertain accounts as far as I have found)? Or should we only do it on Gluth and other add-bosses? If the latter is the case I think I will stay Sniper Training specced for simplicity's sake. But it could be interesting to if they worked on bosses.

 

Casfala

Frost traps are triggered by bosses but they are immune to the slow effect making Resourcefulness somewhat useful. A Trap rotation like Immolation > Frost > Immolation > Frost could make the points in Resourcefulness worth it.

 

Jaffi

You would at least lose enhancement shamans totems and 3% dmg of retri's aura (as long as you don't have a bm hunter in your raid). Everything else can be replaced by other classes who are not stading in melee range of the boss. First thing could be solved by smart totem placing, though.

 

Vitaro

I'm actually wondering why you couldn't stand outside of 30yards from the boss's center/hitbox, but still be within 30 yards of the melee buffs. Seeing that your melee people will be a few yards away from the boss's center?

Should be easily testable at the target dummies with a friendly ret pala and a range display addon

 

KraxisSingular

Technically you should be able ot get both all the time where a boss allows the range.
However realistically it will not be in many cases. Either due to mobility (you changing position relative to the totems), or the simple fact that the melee will be on the other side of you or that even with rangedisplay addons you will have a hard time meshing the two ranges. The addon I use only estimates the range really, so at 30 yards it is 30-35 yards. That means I can't really be sure I'm at the right range when the numbers change. And finally since the 'allowed' variance is so small you might end up spending too much time and effort getting it right that it would have been better just getting one or the other. It would be even worse if the boss has a knockback of sorts, or even a fear (though Tremor should be down the...). THen you have to reestablish the correct range again.

So if you can do it fast and efficiently, then I salute you and say go for it. But most of the time it will not be worth the effort for most people.

 

Vitaro

You're right Felandra: Just tested this at the 'boss dummy' and the margin is really tiny: I'd say something as small as a single step can make the difference between having the aura or not. So the margin there really is only 1~2 yards; making this only viable for static fights like Patchwerk.

Then again if you have a static fight like that it must be worth it to get inside that 'sweet spot' for both bonusses. I'd be tempted to write a little addon for it (if I weren't the resident TSA slave in our raid group atm).

 

sunsmoon

Shadow Priests had/have a mod similar to this (during BC) called Face Melter - Face Melter - Addons - Curse

You had a menu where you could set up each skills priority and disable some (ie: disable shadow word death, disable below % health, etc). It would show a row of 3 icons. the leftmost icon was your last cast skill, middle was the one you should use next (when it lights green!), and right was the next one in the priority queue.

It is viewed as a crutch by many people, but it's great for teaching new shadow priests how to prioritize spells instead of locking into a pseudo cast sequence. It's also helpful on fights where you might be so distracted by other things that monitoring debuffs and cooldowns can detract from your main role.

 

Aceto

An addon like that would be so nice

 

Aarow

Not only do you lose 3% dmg from ret aura (assuming no BM hunter) but you also lose the 3% attack speed from ret aura as well. Most of us are probably already haste capped with steady at or below 1.5 seconds but that speed is still buffing auto shot. Of course this is also assuming you aren't running with a Boomkin. Luckily my guild still has a BM hunter...Now if only our Boomkin had better than 50% attendance.

 

KraxisSingular

The only addon I want atm for Survival (aside from the ones I already have) is one that counts 2 seconds from when I use Explosive Shot, rather than a DoT timer. The flighttime of the shot is variable and if you are standing in Sniper mode then it is also considerable, making the LnL timing rather inefficient (but still doable of course). Since I clipped my ticks early on, I now lead the DoT a bit more to make sure I get the full value. But the result is just that there is a visible gap between the two DoTs.

If I could count 2 seconds visibly from firing it would remove the variable flighttime from the estimation of when to fire again. In time I suppose I would get so used to it that I could do without, but at this time it would help I'm sure.
However I heard from people that such an addon is impossible since it then track clientside information or something?

Sniper Training is great for the Kill Shot bonus, and on fights like Thaddius where you will lack half the ranged buffs anyway (on the other side). I doubt I will spec out of it just yet for the interesting 'new' Frost trap dancing. I guess Sniper Training is sort of a help for the more uncertain Survivalists, those in the process of learning the ropes completely.

 

Gada

This might sound like a very very lame question but, is there any information whether [Formula: Enchant Weapon - Sunfire] Enchant Weapon - Sunfire would affect the damage dealt by Explosive Shot. I know it says increases fire spell power, but would it transfer to fire damage dealt ?

Edit. What about Flame Caps ?

 

Flexal

I cant say for sure, but I do know for a fact that it doesn't work for Arcane Shot so its probably safe to assume it also doesn't work for Explosive. The modifiers are only from RAP, never spell power.

 

Ferrari_13

The problem with that from my testing is Immo/Serp procs still need to wait 30secs even after a frost trap proc (I have to test this more). So you could only use Immo 30sec after frost, which makes resourcefulness not that useful. Unless you go resourcefulness and just use frost every 24sec.

At that point I still like my odds with waiting on serpent sting to proc LnL, and then use your free ESs to get in and out for frost. I believe overall that would give the most LnL procs.

 

Weyfarere

Would a Quartz timer solve this problem? That is, make a macro that casts Explosive Shot and starts a timer, like this:
/cast Explosive Shot
/qt ESDot 2

 

snail

NeedToKnow - Addons - Curse

Need to know is the addon I use for the same purpose.
I just assigned one of the bars (you'll see what I mean after installing it) to monitor my targets for a debuff called "Explosive Shot" and it automatically generates a 2 second bar whenever my explosive shots hit.

Really though all you need to do is fire another shot between your LNL procs:

LNL procs - Explosive shot offcooldown - @ 0 sec Fire 1st - @ 1.5 seconds fire a non-Explosive shot - @ 3sec fire Explosive - @4.5 fire non-Explosive - @6 fire Explosive.

To be honest I'm not sure if this is more dps than just waiting for the dot to wear off or not.

 

Iru

Previously in this thread it's been demonstrated that you maximise you DPS by NOT firing another shot between the ES during LnL procs. Just delay each ES enough to allow a tick before firing again

 

Vitaro

Really Iru? The only theoretical argument against firing another shot between LnL Expl. Shots that I could find is by Lerastes/Sayhon here and here. Or did I miss some other post with a demonstration?

 

kolboi

So since the latest patch survival is obviously yhe superior spec to both bm and MM, atleast in my experience. To be honest I'm not quite sure what the exact optimal spec is although i'm sure it's not including impAOTH. basically what i'm getting at is you have so many flex points like 5/5 in mortal shots or 3/5 in mortal shots depending on where your other points are spent. So what is the exact optimal spec/ shot rotation assuming you have hit cap and exclduing lock and load procs without trap dancing in the mix. because in my experience i have found that the 6% damage increase from sniper training was really helpful to the build.