The Survival Hunter in WotLK - Page 99

Vitaro · 02/21/09, 9:41 PM

263 hit rating

Hit rating

Dansharpshot · 02/22/09, 1:11 PM

Hey guys, I read here a lot but don't post very often. I've read most of this thread and I feel I have a decent grasp on hunter DPS in theory. However I feel my DPS is lacking somewhat (relative to gear). I hit about 4.4k (PW 25) on a good day.

Spec:1/19/51
Glyphs:Glyph of Stead Shot, Glyph of Imp. Aspect of the Hawk, Glyph of Serpent Sting.
Pet = A cat with standard DPS spec, except that I skip Call of the Wild (for HotPhoenix).

My shot priority is:
KS
Explosive
Aimed
Serpent
Steady

I hear a lot of people saying 6/14/51 models as the highest dps spec, but on my spreadsheet (Shandara's v82) I get the best numbers from 1/19/51. I think Gftt is probably modeled incorrectly, but I get higher numbers from any 1/18/52 variant, even fully buffed.

Considering the DPS loss from skipping Call of the Wild, is there anything else glaring that I could fix to improve my DPS? Is it gear?

Here is a WWS from an OS 25 pug: WWS
I know Sartharion isn't the best sample material, but it's all I can get my hands on until this weekend.

woody-shuhalo · 02/22/09, 1:38 PM

Originally Posted by Dansharpshot

I'll try to get my hands on a WWS soon, but for the moment a "you're on the right track" or a "this is totally wrong" would be awesome.

Thanks in advance.

A WWS would be needed to tell for sure, but from the looks of things "you're on the right track."

Although Improved Stings isn't generally the best place to put your points (Serp Sting becomes less of a damage contribution as your gear improves, likewise why 1/2 Focused Fire becomes a better investment), you're not making a huge mistake by taking it. Odds are the spreadsheet is only showing you a small improvement either way.

So long as you are capitalizing on your LnL procs, dropping an extra Frost Trap whenever there is something that will trigger it (boss or otherwise) and not pushing back your Explosives due to excessive Steady shotting, your numbers will be good. I suspect that your 4.4k DPS on Patchwerk is more likely due to the rest of your raid being a bit behind the curve. Do you know about how long it takes your raid to kill Patch? If it's taking over 4 minutes, your numbers will drop as the impact of CDs/Lust/Heroism are lessened.

Until then, work on getting us a WWS. We'll know for sure then.

Æthien · 02/22/09, 1:46 PM

My pet = a cat with standard DPS spec, except that I skip Call of the Wild (for HotPhoenix).

Yeah, don't do that.
Other then that I haven't checked you out, but a WWS will do much much more than an armory link.

Dansharpshot · 02/22/09, 3:17 PM

Originally Posted by woody-shuhalo

Although Improved Stings isn't generally the best place to put your points (Serp Sting becomes less of a damage contribution as your gear improves, likewise why 1/2 Focused Fire becomes a better investment), you're not making a huge mistake by taking it. Odds are the spreadsheet is only showing you a small improvement either way.

Hmm, yeah that makes sense. Also, I'm realizing now that the DPS increase is coming from aimed shot being in my rotation instead of multi-shot, and not the spec itself. 6/14/51 actually does model higher for me when using the same shots.

I suspect that your 4.4k DPS on Patchwerk is more likely due to the rest of your raid being a bit behind the curve. Do you know about how long it takes your raid to kill Patch? If it's taking over 4 minutes, your numbers will drop as the impact of CDs/Lust/Heroism are lessened.

You're right actually, it does take us longer then 4 minutes to kill Patch.

My pet = a cat with standard DPS spec, except that I skip Call of the Wild (for HotPhoenix).

Yeah, don't do that.
Other then that I haven't checked you out, but a WWS will do much much more than an armory link.

Hehe, yeah I probably shouldn't complain about my DPS until I fix that...

Thanks for the replies, and I'll try to get some WWS sheets as soon as I can.

Bengomore · 02/22/09, 4:05 PM

@Dansharpshot
Really you look fine, and 4.4k dps is nothing to sneeze at. Some changes I would suggest are:
1. Try out the 6/14/51 spec see how you like it/how your numbers change.

2. There are quite a few better legs out there than the T7 ones, also I would see if you can't get your hands on a different pair of gloves if at all possible. Check out the Best Possible DPS in Shandaras WotLK Spreadsheet thread to see the BIS items and try to model your gear after those while using the spreadsheet to answer questions until you get there.

3. Are you Macro-ing Kill Command and Kill Shot into your other shots (I use Expl and Steady), that helps a bit.

But like I said generally you seem fine, a WWS would be needed to see if you are overwriting Expl. ticks or any other shot priority issues like that.

Dansharpshot · 02/22/09, 4:28 PM

1. Try out the 6/14/51 spec see how you like it/how your numbers change.

Yeah, I think that's a good idea.

2. There are quite a few better legs out there than the T7 ones, also I would see if you can't get your hands on a different pair of gloves if at all possible. Check out the http://elitistjerks.com/f74/t42519-b...k_spreadsheet/ thread to see the BIS items and try to model your gear after those while using the spreadsheet to answer questions until you get there.

Hmm. Alright, I'll try to replace those.

3. Are you Macro-ing Kill Command and Kill Shot into your other shots (I use Expl and Steady), that helps a bit.

I have Kill Command Macro'd to my other CDs, but not to my shots. I also only have Kill Shot macro'd to Steady Shot. I definitely need to macro those to my other shots.

Thanks for the tips.

Dlux · 02/23/09, 5:59 AM

I Have a question about the trapdancing.

Up till now I have not really been doing the trapdance. Just standing at about 30 yard range to profit from the extra dmg bonus. I recently respecced for pure pvp reasons (so dont bother to watch my specc/gear on armory)

I see you guys you frost traps to trap dance, but im wondering why ... wouldnt imolation trap be better (the little extra dps!) ? Its just something I have been wondering.

Also, it seems you just run out instead of using disengage ? would it not be a little faster (depending on the hitbox of the boss off course)

thx
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Nachti · 02/23/09, 6:30 AM

No, since Frost Trap doesn't trigger the internal cooldown of Lock and Load, which Immo Trap does. When you lay Frost Traps, you get every 30 seconds a Lock and Load proc PLUS the normal Serpent Sting triggered procs.

If that is working as intended, nobody can know

Bezmond · 02/23/09, 7:25 AM

hello, i was just wondering as we use patchwork as a benchmark for raid dps, and its fight length/cd uptime greatly affects our dps, is it possible if someone to come with a standardise dps increase for every 30secs we under the 6minutes with using all cds availible, as i havent got ms excel and havent used it many years and cant see if this is possible on the spreadsheet, if there has been post on this subject already i apoligise and can you link it for me

rukiathesilentghost · 02/23/09, 8:41 AM

Originally Posted by Dansharpshot

Yeah, I think that's a good idea.

Hmm. Alright, I'll try to replace those.

I have Kill Command Macro'd to my other CDs, but not to my shots. I also only have Kill Shot macro'd to Steady Shot. I definitely need to macro those to my other shots.

Thanks for the tips.

Risky business asking for help on these forums, most ppl are generally good but when i tried with some reasonable question almost identical to yours i got alot of infractions...

Dranak · 02/23/09, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by rukiathesilentghost

Risky business asking for help on these forums, most ppl are generally good but when i tried with some reasonable question almost identical to yours i got alot of infractions...

Asking for help isn't what gets you in trouble, it's mostly asking questions that have been answered repeatedly and have answers that are easily found by a quick search that will.

Æthien · 02/23/09, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Bezmond

hello, i was just wondering as we use patchwork as a benchmark for raid dps, and its fight length/cd uptime greatly affects our dps, is it possible if someone to come with a standardise dps increase for every 30secs we under the 6minutes with using all cds availible, as i havent got ms excel and havent used it many years and cant see if this is possible on the spreadsheet, if there has been post on this subject already i apoligise and can you link it for me

I think your best bet would be to go talk to Elois, as he has done calculations on how efficient hunters are at translating stats to dps, how good people were at shot rotations and more of such.

He posted his thread on that here a while ago although it has since disappeared.

Sulik · 02/23/09, 11:46 AM

First of all, thanks for all the great posts. I am now a much better hunter because of reading through this forum.

6/14/51 Trap Dancing

My current tactic is to squeeze as many LnL procs in as possible using frost traps. Choosing to ignore the not so often overlap of a serpent proc. I have yet to read if 6/14/51 trap dancing currently picks up Resourcefulness instead of sniper training.

It seems logical,and how do you all feel about the tactic? Maybe spreadsheet unfactored goodness?

Thanks!

Dropshot · 02/23/09, 12:52 PM

Was wondering with the 6/14/51 spec, if dropping the 1 point in the Focused Fire talent and putting it into Aimed Shot helps out on dps overall? I know in some fights it will help out alot for when your on the move as an added instant, but has anyone switched the points an noticed that much of a difference?