Best Possible DPS in Shandaras WotLK Spreadsheet - Page 17

Trollol · 05/07/09, 5:50 AM

Originally Posted by sihyunie

The staff is indeed the best in slot according to the spreadsheet. I just put in 2 scarlet rubies to make gemming simple. It's most likely thanks to the absurdly high ArP on that weap.
As for the xbow, it is the best in slot unless you are a dwarf. For dwarves, you need to be able to use the hit to make it BiS. It remains to be seen if we can swap other gears around to make a set of gears using the xbow to get better dps (ie is the hit gained more efficiently with the weap or some other slot).

How about trolls, Siren's Cry vs. the xbow?

Xoran · 05/07/09, 11:15 AM

Spreadsheet version 88a with the two new custom-modelled Ulduar hardmode weapons

Hunter dps: 6492,70
Pet dps: 1114.95
Total dps: 7607,65

Crit: 62,74%
Hit: 100,08%
ArP: 332
Haste: 227

Spec: 6/14/51
Race: Nightelf
Pet: Wolf
Shot Queue: KS/ES/BA/Sp/MS/SS

Head: Conqueror's Scourgestalker Headpiece - Arcanum of Torment - Relentless Earthsiege Diamond - Delicate Stormjewel
Neck: Pendulum of Infinity - Delicate Dragon's Eye
Shoulders: Conqueror's Scourgestalker Spaulders - Greater Inscription of the Axe - Delicate Scarlet Ruby
Back: Drape of the Faceless General - Major Agility - Delicate Scarlet Ruby - Glinting Monarch Topaz
Chest: Conqueror's Scourgestalker Tunic - Powerful Stats - Delicate Scarlet Ruby - Delicate Dragon's Eye
Wrist: Frost-bound Chain Bracers - Greater Assault - Delicate Scarlet Ruby
Hands: Gloves of the Steady Hand - Major Agility - Delicate Scarlet Ruby x3
Waist: Belt of the Betrayed - Delicate Scarlet Ruby
Legs: Conqueror's Scourgestalker Legguards - Icescale Leg Armor - Delicate Scarlet Ruby x2
Feet: Boots of Living Scale - Icewalker - Delicate Scarlet Ruby - Delicate Dragon's Eye
Ring: Brann's Signet Ring - Delicate Scarlet Ruby
Ring: Brann's Sealing Ring - Delicate Scarlet Ruby
Trinket: Darkmoon Card: Greatness
Trinket: Mjolnir Runestone
Main Hand: Dreambinder (custom) - Massacre - Delicate Scarlet Ruby x2
Ranged: Skyforge Crossbow (custom) - Heartseeker Scope
Ammo: Mammoth Cutters

Aern · 05/07/09, 2:36 PM

I'm not sure why the above layout is with a 6/14/51 build, maybe I'm behind on my reading but I was under the impression that it was not the best spec anymore.

Cattiebrie · 05/07/09, 2:48 PM

He didn't mention it specifically, but it is being assumed tradeskills are Jewelcrafting and Blacksmithing.

Ts` · 05/07/09, 3:03 PM

Originally Posted by Xoran

Spreadsheet version 88a with the two new custom-modelled Ulduar hardmode weapons

Hunter dps: 6492,70
Pet dps: 1114.95
Total dps: 7607,65

Crit: 62,74%
Hit: 100,08%
ArP: 332
Haste: 227

Spec: 6/14/51
Race: Nightelf
Pet: Wolf
Shot Queue: KS/ES/BA/Sp/MS/SS

Head: Conqueror's Scourgestalker Headpiece - Arcanum of Torment - Relentless Earthsiege Diamond - Delicate Stormjewel
Neck: Pendulum of Infinity - Delicate Dragon's Eye
Shoulders: Conqueror's Scourgestalker Spaulders - Greater Inscription of the Axe - Delicate Scarlet Ruby
Back: Drape of the Faceless General - Major Agility - Delicate Scarlet Ruby - Glinting Monarch Topaz
Chest: Conqueror's Scourgestalker Tunic - Powerful Stats - Delicate Scarlet Ruby - Delicate Dragon's Eye
Wrist: Frost-bound Chain Bracers - Greater Assault - Delicate Scarlet Ruby
Hands: Gloves of the Steady Hand - Major Agility - Delicate Scarlet Ruby x3
Waist: Belt of the Betrayed - Delicate Scarlet Ruby
Legs: Conqueror's Scourgestalker Legguards - Icescale Leg Armor - Delicate Scarlet Ruby x2
Feet: Boots of Living Scale - Icewalker - Delicate Scarlet Ruby - Delicate Dragon's Eye
Ring: Brann's Signet Ring - Delicate Scarlet Ruby
Ring: Brann's Sealing Ring - Delicate Scarlet Ruby
Trinket: Darkmoon Card: Greatness
Trinket: Mjolnir Runestone
Main Hand: Dreambinder (custom) - Massacre - Delicate Scarlet Ruby x2
Ranged: Skyforge Crossbow (custom) - Heartseeker Scope
Ammo: Mammoth Cutters

wouldnt it be more dps to move the dragons eye from the boots to the staff?

Ginbar002 · 05/07/09, 3:41 PM

Yes Ginbar, it is me. Good to see you.

Thanks for the info, and yes it was with dwarf's in mind. However, I assume thats based on a SV build, and as Kom suggested, I believe it still may be ahead for MM. This is due to CS using weapon damage, and that gun is higher item level and slower, making CS hit that much harder.

Also, and correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I believe that it's slower speed will also increase the value of any haste. 15% haste will have greater total impact on a 3.0 speed weapon that a 2.9 speed weapon, although granted it would be very small increase.

Edit: Just to clarify, MM use a greater % of auto-shots, which would definitely benefit more from the higher DPS weapon and is what would allow haste to increase in value.

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I agree with ur assumptions Dravous. My apologies, it wasn't til after I posted, that I realized I should have link some MM build numbers; forgot that's what you normally ran.

Here are some numbers based upon your current armory build of 11/53/7 and gear; the only gear I switched was the titan forged rune of cruelty(pvp trink), I just put Mirror of truth in its place (not sure which one you raid with)

Siren's Cry: 5831
Giant's bane: 5877
Furious Gladiator's Shotgun: 5847
Furious Gladiator's Rifle: 5892

These numbers come straight from the Spreadsheet version 88a..I just plugged in your items/build...

Ginbar

Xoran · 05/07/09, 3:48 PM

The problem with all layouts with hardmode loot is, that the socket boni are not known yet. So as of now it's best to put Dragon's Eyes in normal items to gain the bonus there. Once all these are known for hardmode loot, the gems can be adjusted accordingly.

As for the talents, 6/14/51 might not be the most practical build (and therefore many raiders choose something like 0/15/56) but it's best dps.

Ts` · 05/07/09, 4:21 PM

Originally Posted by Xoran

The problem with all layouts with hardmode loot is, that the socket boni are not known yet. So as of now it's best to put Dragon's Eyes in normal items to gain the bonus there. Once all these are known for hardmode loot, the gems can be adjusted accordingly.

If that's directed at my post, MMO-Champ shows the socket bonus as being +8Agi for the staff

Aeson · 05/07/09, 7:09 PM

Originally Posted by Aern

I'm not sure why the above layout is with a 6/14/51 build, maybe I'm behind on my reading but I was under the impression that it was not the best spec anymore.

The spreadsheet assumes you can just stand still and nuke the boss for the full duration of the test it doesnt take into account having to move. So it comes out ahead if you could just stand still and DPS and never have to move.

Anindor · 05/07/09, 8:52 PM

Is the new Skyforged Crossbow really that much better if I'm speccing MM comsidering it's top-end is lower than both Siren's Cry and Giant's Bane?

Luk · 05/07/09, 8:53 PM

Spreadsheet version 88b.

Hunter dps: 6488.33
Pet dps: 1197.33
Total dps: 7685.66

Spec: 6/14/51
Race: Orc
Pet: Wolf
Shot Queue: KS/ES/BA/Sp/MS/SS

Head: Conqueror's Scourgestalker Headpiece - Arcanum of Torment - Relentless Earthsiege Diamond - Delicate Stormjewel
Neck: Pendulum of Infinity - Delicate Dragon's Eye
Shoulders: Conqueror's Scourgestalker Spaulders - Greater Inscription of the Axe - Delicate Scarlet Ruby
Back: Drape of the Faceless General - Major Agility - Delicate Scarlet Ruby - Glinting Monarch Topaz
Chest: Conqueror's Scourgestalker Tunic - Powerful Stats - Delicate Scarlet Rubyx2
Wrist: Frost-bound Chain Bracers - Greater Assault - Delicate Scarlet Ruby
Hands: Gloves of the Steady Hand - Major Agility - Delicate Scarlet Rubyx2 - Delicate Dragon's Eye
Waist: Belt of the Betrayed - Delicate Scarlet Ruby
Legs: Conqueror's Scourgestalker Legguards - Icescale Leg Armor - Delicate Scarlet Rubyx2
Feet: Greaves of Swift Vengeance - Superior Agility - Delicate Scarlet Rubyx2
Ring: Brann's Signet Ring - Delicate Scarlet Ruby
Ring: Brann's Sealing Ring - Delicate Scarlet Ruby
Trinket: Darkmoon Card: Greatness
Trinket: Mjolnir Runestone
Main Hand: Dreambinder - Massacre - Glinting Monarch Topaz - Delicate Dragon's Eye
Ranged: Skyforge Crossbow - Heartseeker Scope
Ammo: Saronite Razorheads

GoneHuntin · 05/07/09, 10:53 PM

How do the 2200 rating PvP weapons stack up? I can only imagine they are better, 3.0 speed with top end @ 705~, all 170.x dps.

Are they just not available in the spreadsheet?

• Varance · 05/08/09, 5:27 AM

No love for MM?

Hunter DPS: 6561.11
Pet DPS: 1099.33
Total DPS: 7660.43

Race: Orc
Professions: JC/LW
Spec: 7/57/7
Pet: Wolf

Glyphs:
Glyph of the Hawk
Glyph of Steady Shot
Glyph of Serpent Sting

Rotation Priority:
Serpent Sting
Rapid Fire
Chimera Shot
Kill Shot
Readiness
Aimed Shot
Arcane Shot
Steady Shot

Glyph of the Hawk
Glyph of Steady Shot
Glyph of Serpent Sting

Main Hand: Lotrafen, Spear of the Damned - Massacre (Two Hand)
Head: Conqueror's Scourgestalker Headpiece - Arcanum of Torment - Relentless Earthsiege Diamond (21 Agi) - Delicate Stormjewel (20 Agility)
Neck: Pendulum of Infinity - Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi)
Shoulders: Conqueror's Scourgestalker Spaulders - Greater Inscription of Vengeance - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Back: Drape of the Faceless General - Major Agility - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi) - Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi)
Chest : Conqueror's Scourgestalker Tunic - Powerful Stats - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi) - Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi)
Wrist: Frost-bound Chain Bracers - Fur Lining - Attack Power
Hands: Gloves of the Steady Hand - Major Agility - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi) - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Waist: Belt of the Betrayed - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Legs: Conqueror's Scourgestalker Legguards - Icescale Leg Armor - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi) - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Feet: Greaves of Swift Vengeance - Icewalker - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi) - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Ring: Brann's Signet Ring - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Ring: Brann's Sealing Ring - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Trinket: Darkmoon Card: Greatness
Trinket: Mjolnir Runestone
Ranged Weapon: Skyforge Crossbow - Heartseeker Scope
Ammo: Saronite Razorheads

V1:Lotrafen, Spear of the Damned;Massacre (Two Hand);None;None;None;None;None;None;None;None;Conqueror's Scourgestalker Headpiece;Arcanum of Torment;Relentless Earthsiege Diamond (21 Agi);Delicate Stormjewel (20 Agility);None;Pendulum of Infinity;Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi);None;Conqueror's Scourgestalker Spaulders;Greater Inscription of Vengeance;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);None;Drape of the Faceless General;Major Agility;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi);Conqueror's Scourgestalker Tunic;Powerful Stats;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi);None;Frost-bound Chain Bracers;Fur Lining - Attack Power;None;None;Gloves of the Steady Hand;Major Agility;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);None;Belt of the Betrayed;None;None;None;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Conqueror's Scourgestalker Legguards;Icescale Leg Armor;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);None;Greaves of Swift Vengeance;Icewalker;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Brann's Signet Ring;None;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Brann's Sealing Ring;None;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Darkmoon Card: Greatness;None;None;Mjolnir Runestone;None;None;Skyforge Crossbow;Heartseeker Scope;None;None;Nerubian Reinforced Quiver;Mammoth Cutters;

Note: this spec assumes you have another hunter running imp/glyphed mark

Kojima · 05/08/09, 11:02 AM

The only question I have about these spreadsheets is why are hunters specing into silencing shot over TSA. Is silencing shot a better dps boost over 10% more ap.

Nova442 · 05/08/09, 11:06 AM

It's probably assumed the 10% buff is obtained elsewhere, like Enhance Shaman.

Kojima · 05/08/09, 11:08 AM

If so how are you getting that 10% boost or is it not even worth it?

Kojima · 05/08/09, 11:10 AM

Also does silence shot do that much damage

stickums · 05/08/09, 11:10 AM

Enhance Shaman and DKs have the exact same buff. If you go full buffs on the spreadsheet it assumes you get as much outside help as possible, allowing you to configure your personal DPS to the maximum value.

• Varance · 05/08/09, 1:26 PM

Originally Posted by Kojima

The only question I have about these spreadsheets is why are hunters specing into silencing shot over TSA. Is silencing shot a better dps boost over 10% more ap.

The only reason you'd need to spec into TSA or Silencing shot for PvE content is if your raid doesn't have the 10% buff from someone else or your raid needs a ranged interrupt. Otherwise, it gets overwritten and has more benefit for other classes to spec the buff/has no place in the shot rotation and there are plenty of other interrupts to go around.

Thalen · 05/08/09, 1:32 PM

Originally Posted by Varance

The only reason you'd need to spec into TSA or Silencing shot for PvE content is if your raid doesn't have the 10% buff from someone else or your raid needs a ranged interrupt. Otherwise, it gets overwritten and has more benefit for other classes to spec it/has no place in the shot rotation and there are plenty of other interrupts to go around.

Silencing Shot is no longer on the GCD, and thus *does* have a place in the shot rotation. Macro it to Chimera Shot and go.

Mr Tazza · 05/08/09, 2:18 PM

Is it me or with 0.88b MM is now showing as higher dps (for dwarf atleast, otherwise still very close) than SV?

Ikuzo · 05/08/09, 2:58 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Tazza

Is it me or with 0.88b MM is now showing as higher dps (for dwarf atleast, otherwise still very close) than SV?

With the inclusion of the new Crossbow, I can see this as a possibility. Weapon dps in MM plays a much larger role in your overall damage than in SV.

I'm currently raiding as MM and approximately 30% of my damage comes solely from Auto Shot. The Algalon crossbow, which I assume you're using to compare the potential dps of both specs, could help close the gap in dps of both specs simply because of the high weapon dps.

RDarkfire · 05/08/09, 3:57 PM

Originally Posted by Trollol

How about trolls, Siren's Cry vs. the xbow?

Would someone like to analyze this?

For trolls, I'm getting the bow has having almost a full 1% crit more, and 22 more haste rating (~0.67% haste) than the xbow, while the xbow only really wins at having 8.6 more DPS... not counting the 23 hit rating the xbow has, as depending on the gear setup, this may or may not be needed.

Thoughts?

• Varance · 05/08/09, 6:48 PM

Originally Posted by Thalen

Silencing Shot is no longer on the GCD, and thus *does* have a place in the shot rotation. Macro it to Chimera Shot and go.

And here I thought it wasn't possible to go OOM any faster with MM! Completely forgot about that...

DoomSpirit · 05/09/09, 11:53 AM

Silencing shot just drains your mana pool at an incredible speed