Best Possible DPS in Shandaras WotLK Spreadsheet - Page 20

Shibam · 05/17/09, 4:57 PM

I am curious how the serpent sting glyph benefits MM spec. It doesnt increase the dmg only the duration. Mine for instance is (unbuffed) 2043dmg over 15 seconds, in my current BM farming spec. I decided to add the glyph and it just becomes 2043 over 21 seconds, making each tick of dmg smaller I assume? If anything since chimera shot refreshes it for free, the cost of mana and how many times you have to refresh shouldnt be an issue. And this would also mean it ticks for less damage each time before its auto refreshed.

From a different spec then MM's perspective, the way i understood it was more dps was, more up time to proc LnL pre 3.1 And less refreshing during a 5minute span saves mana and gcd's. but if mana is no issue it would seem you could do more dmg with the shorter dot refreshing, though i dunno if its worth the gcd.

Please enlighten because i definitly am confused, I just took for granted that maybe it added on additional dmg when you glyphed but according to my tooltip it doesnt, just the duration changes. Maybe its wrong?

Korghal · 05/17/09, 5:20 PM

Originally Posted by Shibam

I am curious how the serpent sting glyph benefits MM spec. It doesnt increase the dmg only the duration. Mine for instance is (unbuffed) 2043dmg over 15 seconds, in my current BM farming spec. I decided to add the glyph and it just becomes 2043 over 21 seconds, making each tick of dmg smaller I assume? If anything since chimera shot refreshes it for free, the cost of mana and how many times you have to refresh shouldnt be an issue. And this would also mean it ticks for less damage each time before its auto refreshed.

From a different spec then MM's perspective, the way i understood it was more dps was, more up time to proc LnL pre 3.1 And less refreshing during a 5minute span saves mana and gcd's. but if mana is no issue it would seem you could do more dmg with the shorter dot refreshing, though i dunno if its worth the gcd.

Please enlighten because i definitly am confused, I just took for granted that maybe it added on additional dmg when you glyphed but according to my tooltip it doesnt, just the duration changes. Maybe its wrong?

The total damage done by your Serpent Sting does increase. It will still tick for the same, only that the duration and number of ticks are increased. Hence Chimera Shot will do more damage.

For the second question regarding SV the only reason to use SS glyph was to allow you to shoot a few more Steady Shots instead of reapplying Serpent Sting. Overall a minor damage buff, but nonetheless an increase in damage dealt.

Shibam · 05/18/09, 1:52 AM

Thats what I thought, and the reason it was so good for MM, i guess the tooltip is just wrong.

Alduin · 05/18/09, 2:54 AM

BEST SV DPS:
I took 1 point out of Resourcefullness, invested him into Expose Weakness and ended up at 7702.83DPS.

Klingo · 05/18/09, 6:35 AM

Hunter DPS 6543.54
Pet DPS 1192.40
Total DPS 7735.94

Race: Orc
Professions: JC/BS
Spec: 6/14/51
Pet: Wolf
Flask: Endless Rage
Food: Blackened Dragonfin

Glyphs:
Glyph of Explosive Shot
Glyph of Steady Shot
Glyph of Kill Shot

Rotation Priority:
Rapid Fire
Kill Shot
Black Arrow
Explosive Shot
Multi-Shot
Serpent Sting
Blood Fury
Steady Shot

Main Hand: [Dreambinder] - Massacre (Two Hand) - Rigid Autumn's Glow (16 Hit) - Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi)
Head: [Conqueror's Scourgestalker Headpiece] - Arcanum of Torment - Relentless Earthsiege Diamond (21 Agi) - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Neck: Pendulum of Infinity - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Shoulders: [Conqueror's Scourgestalker Spaulders] - Greater Inscription of the Axe - Delicate Stormjewel (20 Agi)
Back: [Drape of the Faceless General] - Major Agility - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi) - Glinting Monarch Topaz (8 Agi 8 Hit)
Chest : [Conqueror's Scourgestalker Tunic] - Powerful Stats - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi) - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Wrist: [Frost-bound Chain Bracers] - Greater Assault - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Hands: [Conqueror's Scourgestalker Handguards] - Major Agility - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi) - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Waist: [Death-warmed Belt] - Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi) - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi) - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Legs: Legguards of Cunning Deception - Icescale Leg Armor - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi) - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi) - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Feet: [Boots of Living Scale] - Superiour Agility - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi) - Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi)
Ring: Brann's Sealing Ring - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Ring: Brann's Signet Ring - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Trinket: [Mjolnir Runestone]
Trinket: [Darkmoon Card: Greatness]
Ranged Weapon: [Skyforge Crossbow] - Heartseeker Scope
Ammo: [Saronite Razorheads]

V1:Dreambinder;Massacre (Two Hand);Rigid Autumn's Glow (16 Hit);Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi);None;None;None;None;None;None;Conqueror's ;courgestalker Headpiece;Arcanum of Torment;Relentless Earthsiege Diamond (21 Agi);Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);None;Pendulum of Infinity;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);None;Conqueror's Scourgestalker Spaulders;Greater Inscription of the Axe;Delicate Stormjewel (20 Agility);None;Drape of the Faceless General;Major Agility;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Glinting Monarch Topaz (8 Agi, 8 Hit);Conqueror's Scourgestalker Tunic;Powerful Stats;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);None;Frost-bound Chain Bracers;Greater Assault;None;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Conqueror's Scourgestalker Handguards;Major Agility;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);None;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Death-warmed Belt;Eternal Belt Buckle;Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi);Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Legguards of Cunning Deception;Icescale Leg Armor;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Boots of Living Scale;Superior Agility;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi);Brann's Sealing Ring;None;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Brann's Signet Ring;None;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Mjolnir Runestone;None;None;Darkmoon Card: Greatness;None;None;Skyforge Crossbow;Heartseeker Scope;None;None;Nerubian Reinforced Quiver;Mammoth Cutters

No usage of Draenei-racial! (like the previous record with 7698.24dps)

with racial (and changing the hit-gems to Deadly Monarch Topaz (8 Agi, 8 Crit)) it would be

Hunter DPS: 6569.75
Pet Dps: 1194.52
Total DPS: 7764.27

zhhu · 05/18/09, 8:13 AM

perfect

elandriel · 05/18/09, 8:29 AM

@Klingo: You list Dreambinder as your melee weapon of choice but in the code string you provide you have Lotrafen. I assume Dreambinder is the correct one out of the two?

Lownita · 05/18/09, 8:31 AM

try swapping ss glyph with srs glyph. should yield another ~10 dps

Klingo · 05/18/09, 8:56 AM

@elandriel: Thanks for the hint, is a copy-paste mistake. Of course you're right, Dreambinder is the correct one. I'll fix it.

@Lownita: unfortunately no. with srs glyph it drops to 7727.70dps. It's sort of weird to see that.

CrowneVict · 05/18/09, 9:19 AM

Originally Posted by Klingo

@elandriel: Thanks for the hint, is a copy-paste mistake. Of course you're right, Dreambinder is the correct one. I'll fix it.

@Lownita: unfortunately no. with srs glyph it drops to 7727.70dps. It's sort of weird to see that.

However, the fact remains that using srs glyph will do more damage on some fights (like General, for example).

Midnight · 05/18/09, 10:07 AM

@Klingo
I´m not getting at your numbers. I tried it and loading the current Best DPS SV profile, importing your item string (after fixing the typo in Conquereor's ;courgestalker Headpiece) and hitting the CalcAttributes button lead to a result of 7629,29 DPS with Steady Shot Glyph and 7650,94 DPS with Serpent Sting Glyph - both of which are lower than the current best of 7698,24 DPS.

May it be that the item string is still not up-to-date? Anything else you changed compared to the current Best DPS SV profile (I couldn´t find any)?

@Alduin
Verified. I updated the spreadsheet and OP accordingly.

Klingo · 05/18/09, 12:08 PM

@Midnight: I found the mistake, the difference was in the talent-build. In fact I've chosen an impossible build when I was playing around with the talents. "Normally" there appears a text "Incorrect SV talents" but this was missing in my build so I wasn't thinking about having a wrong build.

I took 0/3 Trap Mastery which should result in an error for only having spent 7 points in T2, by putting them in 3/3 Resourcefullness (up from 2/3) and 3/3 Thrill of the Hunt (up from 1/3).

I'm really sorry for that, was too much looking for high dps-number instead of valid talent-specs.

(personal fail)

So, no new SV DPS record.

evilterm · 05/18/09, 3:59 PM

Originally Posted by sihyunie

Int will show more dps if your mana pool is small and don't have mana regen (check raid buffs).
Basically, more int reduces viper uptime, thus indirectly increasing dps, so at small mana pool, it can indeed be better than agility. However, with some decent gear and raid buffs, it quickly loses value.

well first of all, you should never be in viper. even in a 20 minute fight i spend 0 time in viper. int shows more dps because in the second tier of your mm tree, careful aim, you gain attack power equal to 100% of your int. assuming you have 3 points spent into careful aim which you should.

Saladin · 05/18/09, 4:52 PM

Originally Posted by evilterm

well first of all, you should never be in viper. even in a 20 minute fight i spend 0 time in viper. int shows more dps because in the second tier of your mm tree, careful aim, you gain attack power equal to 100% of your int. assuming you have 3 points spent into careful aim which you should.

A) There isn't a single fight in current content that lasts 20 minutes.

B) Unless you start and finish every fight with 100% mana, there is an eventual point at which you will go oom and be forced into Viper.

C) Mana usage is almost never constant. Mana spent on rezzing pets in Mimiron increase expenditures far over the amount you're probably spending on Kologarn.

D) Smart hunters will utilize the passive viper regeneration whenever possible (i.e., Mimiron phase switches, in between adds on XT, running from the guantlet exit to Thorim's arena) even if they only get a handful of ticks before combat reengages. Higher Intellect values mean that Hunter A's 2-3 passive viper ticks in between phase swaps go a lot further than Hunter B's 2-3 passive viper ticks in the same period.

E) Like usage, although to a lesser degree, regen may not be consistent. Depending on if you're in a 25-man with a resto shaman in your group, versus a 10-man with no pally for SoW, you may not have the same mana coming back to you in all situations.

At the very least, you should be using Viper on Vezax so that you don't have to increase the healing load by eating vapors.

Aspect of the Viper is a powerful tool and you should plan on being able to use it in your arsenal, rather than gearing completely around it, or forsaking it. It's important enough to never wear leather over mail, but it's not important enough to gem for.

Girthbot · 05/18/09, 6:07 PM

There are plenty of uses for Aspect of the Viper. Something I like to do if needed is pop Viper aspect, then hit explosive shot and viper sting in that order, and right after viper sting fires pop hawk and go back into your normal rotation. It will surprise you how much mana you get back in such a minimal use of GCDs. If you are almost oom, and you have a long ways to go on the fight, try to time it on an LNL proc and use 2 or maybe even all 3 ES during viper aspect. Each tick gives you mana regen.

That said, I only need to use something like this on 2-3 of the longer fights in Ulduar.

Hagen · 05/19/09, 7:57 AM

Another bonus of int: Your regen from Replenishment is higher.
Viper Sting has really become a great tool for mana mangement if the boss or some adds have a decent mana pool. You can regen mana with it without switching aspects, only giving up SrS and it's effects. (Noxious Stings and Chimera Shot synergys)

maxdawg · 05/19/09, 11:46 AM

I'm not sure why, but I see lower dps for myself when I switch from the older best DPS to the newer best DPS on the spreadsheet. The older build I am referring to is under "raiding as Beast Mastery in 3.1". Below are the only changes that I make - talents and glyphs. shot rotation stays the same. I just included food buff and flask, fish feast and endless rage. I leave off all the other buffs because it is more variable due to the group makeup.

Old - 53/11/7 major glyphs - bestial wrath, serpent sting, steady shot 2744 dps
New - 54/12/5 major glyphs - bestial wrath, hawk, kill shot 2719 dps

I assume it is based on my gear versus what is the best BM gear in game, possibly? What would you recommend I stay with, old or new, for raiding as a BM hunter to maximize dps.

I also see higher SV numbers for myself on dps, but usually in raiding I perform marginally better as BM for dps. I assume this is because I have always played BM and feel more comfortable with it, versus SV. However, I've been trying to test and learn SV more lately.

Iru · 05/19/09, 11:50 AM

Have you tried putting the SrS Glyph back in instead of the Hawk to see if it makes a difference? Also, this is probably not the best thread for this. It would be better in the BM thread

maxdawg · 05/19/09, 2:35 PM

Have you tried putting the SrS Glyph back in instead of the Hawk to see if it makes a difference? Also, this is probably not the best thread for this. It would be better in the BM thread

Yes, this chnaged the dps from 2719 to 2723 in the 54/12/5 build. Which is still showing lower for me than the other build and glyphs from that build.

I see your point, as far as a thread for this, however, I posted here based on what I was getting from the dps spreadsheet.

motso85 · 05/20/09, 12:14 AM

If I play around for best BM with version 88d, I get this:

Total DPS: 6985.78
Hunter DPS: 3954.08
Pet DPS: 3031.69
AP: 8452
Crit: 46.14%
Hit: 100.11%
ArP: 287
Shot Queue: Sp/KS/MS/AS/SS
Spec: 54/12/5
Race: Orc (Blood Fury No.1 @ Shot Queue)
Pet: Devilsaur

Glyph of Kill Shot
Glyph of the Hawk
Glyph of Bestial Wrath

Dreambinder, Massacre (Two Hand), Wicked Monarch Topaz (16 AP, 8 Crit), Bright Dragon's Eye (54 AP)
Conqueror's Scourgestalker Headpiece, Arcanum of Torment, Relentless Earthsiege Diamond (21 Agi & 3% Crit-DMG), Delicate Stormjewel (20 Agi)
Pendulum of Infinity, Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP)
Conqueror's Scourgestalker Spaulders, Greater Inscription of the Axe, Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP)
Drape of the Faceless General, Major Agility, Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP), Wicked Monarch Topaz (16 AP, 8 Crit)
Conqueror's Scourgestalker Tunic, Powerful Stats, Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP), Bright Dragon's Eye (54 AP)
Frost-bound Chain Bracers, Greater Assault
Gloves of the Steady Hand, Crusher, Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP), Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP)
Belt of the Betrayed, Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP)
Conqueror's Scourgestalker Legguards, Icescale Leg Armor, Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP), Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP)
Greaves of Swift Vengeance, Icewalker, Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP), Bright Dragon's Eye (54 AP)
Brann's Sealing Ring, Assault, Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP)
Brann's Signet Ring, Assault, Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP)
Darkmoon Card: Greatness
Dark Matter
Skyforge Crossbow, Saronite Razorheads

V1:Dreambinder;Massacre (Two Hand);Wicked Monarch Topaz (16 AP, 8 Crit);Bright Dragon's Eye (54 AP);None;None;None;None;None;None;Conqueror's Scourgestalker Headpiece;Arcanum of Torment;Relentless Earthsiege Diamond (21 Agi);Bright Stormjewel (20 Agility);None;Pendulum of Infinity;Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP);None;Conqueror's Scourgestalker Spaulders;Greater Inscription of the Axe;Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP);None;Drape of the Faceless General;Major Agility;Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP);Wicked Monarch Topaz (16 AP, 8 Crit);Conqueror's Scourgestalker Tunic;Powerful Stats;Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP);Bright Dragon's Eye (54 AP);None;Frost-bound Chain Bracers;Greater Assault;None;None;Gloves of the Steady Hand;Crusher;Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP);Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP);None;Belt of the Betrayed;None;None;None;Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP);Conqueror's Scourgestalker Legguards;Icescale Leg Armor;Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP);Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP);None;Greaves of Swift Vengeance;Icewalker;Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP);Bright Dragon's Eye (54 AP);Brann's Signet Ring;None;Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP);Brann's Sealing Ring;None;Bright Scarlet Ruby (32 AP);Darkmoon Card: Greatness;None;None;Dark Matter;None;None;Skyforge Crossbow;Heartseeker Scope;None;None;Saronite Razorheads;

If I play around for best MM with version 88d, I get this:

Total DPS: 7875.79
Hunter DPS: 6760.41
Pet DPS: 1115.37
AP: 8251
Crit: 57.58%
Hit: 100.11%
ArP: 282
Shot Queue: Sp/CS/KS/AiS/AS/SS
Spec: 7/57/7
Race: Orc (Blood Fury No.1 @ Shot Queue)
Pet: Wolf

Glyph of Kill Shot
Glyph of Serpent Sting
Glyph of Steady Shot

Lotrafen, Spear of the Damned, Massacre (Two Hand)
Conqueror's Scourgestalker Headpiece, Arcanum of Torment, Relentless Earthsiege Diamond (21 Agi & 3% Crit-DMG), Delicate Stormjewel (20 Agi)
Pendulum of Infinity, Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi)
Conqueror's Scourgestalker Spaulders, Greater Inscription of the Axe, Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Drape of the Faceless General, Major Agility, Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi), Deadly Monarch Topaz (8 Agi, 8 Crit)
Conqueror's Scourgestalker Tunic, Powerful Stats, Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi), Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi)
Frost-bound Chain Bracers, Greater Assault
Gloves of the Steady Hand, Major Agility, Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi), Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Belt of the Betrayed, Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Conqueror's Scourgestalker Legguards, Icescale Leg Armor, Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi), Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Greaves of Swift Vengeance, Icewalker, Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi), Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi)
Brann's Sealing Ring, Assault, Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Brann's Signet Ring, Assault, Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Darkmoon Card: Greatness
Dark Matter
Skyforge Crossbow, Saronite Razorheads

V1:Lotrafen, Spear of the Damned;Massacre (Two Hand);None;None;None;None;None;None;None;None;Conqueror's Scourgestalker Headpiece;Arcanum of Torment;Relentless Earthsiege Diamond (21 Agi);Delicate Stormjewel (20 Agility);None;Pendulum of Infinity;Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi);None;Conqueror's Scourgestalker Spaulders;Greater Inscription of the Axe;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);None;Drape of the Faceless General;Major Agility;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Deadly Monarch Topaz (8 Agi, 8 Crit);Conqueror's Scourgestalker Tunic;Powerful Stats;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi);None;Frost-bound Chain Bracers;Greater Assault;None;None;Gloves of the Steady Hand;Major Agility;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);None;Belt of the Betrayed;None;None;None;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Conqueror's Scourgestalker Legguards;Icescale Leg Armor;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);None;Greaves of Swift Vengeance;Icewalker;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi);Brann's Signet Ring;None;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Brann's Sealing Ring;None;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Darkmoon Card: Greatness;None;None;Dark Matter;None;None;Skyforge Crossbow;Heartseeker Scope;None;None;Saronite Razorheads;

If I play around for best SV with version 88d, I get this:

Total DPS: 7835.20
Hunter DPS: 6629.06
Pet DPS: 1206.14
AP: 9738
Crit: 63.17%
Hit: 100.11%
ArP: 282
Shot Queue: ES/BA/Sp/KS/AiS/SS
Spec: 6/14/51
Race: Orc (Blood Fury No.1 @ Shot Queue)
Pet: Wolf

Glyph of Kill Shot
Glyph of Explosive Shot
Glyph of Serpent Sting

Dreambinder, Massacre (Two Hand), Deadly Monarch Topaz (8Agi, 8 Crit), Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi)
Conqueror's Scourgestalker Headpiece, Arcanum of Torment, Relentless Earthsiege Diamond (21 Agi & 3% Crit-DMG), Delicate Stormjewel (20 Agi)
Pendulum of Infinity, Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Conqueror's Scourgestalker Spaulders, Greater Inscription of the Axe, Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Drape of the Faceless General, Major Agility, Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi), Deadly Monarch Topaz (8 Agi, 8 Crit)
Conqueror's Scourgestalker Tunic, Powerful Stats, Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi), Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi)
Frost-bound Chain Bracers, Greater Assault
Gloves of the Steady Hand, Major Agility, Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi), Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Belt of the Betrayed, Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Conqueror's Scourgestalker Legguards, Icescale Leg Armor, Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi), Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Greaves of Swift Vengeance, Icewalker, Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi), Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi)
Brann's Sealing Ring, Assault, Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Brann's Signet Ring, Assault, Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Darkmoon Card: Greatness
Dark Matter
Skyforge Crossbow, Saronite Razorheads

V1:Dreambinder;Massacre (Two Hand);Deadly Monarch Topaz (8 Agi, 8 Crit);Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi);None;None;None;None;None;None;Conqueror's Scourgestalker Headpiece;Arcanum of Torment;Relentless Earthsiege Diamond (21 Agi);Delicate Stormjewel (20 Agility);None;Pendulum of Infinity;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);None;Conqueror's Scourgestalker Spaulders;Greater Inscription of the Axe;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);None;Drape of the Faceless General;Major Agility;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Deadly Monarch Topaz (8 Agi, 8 Crit);Conqueror's Scourgestalker Tunic;Powerful Stats;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi);None;Frost-bound Chain Bracers;Greater Assault;None;None;Gloves of the Steady Hand;Major Agility;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);None;Belt of the Betrayed;None;None;None;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Conqueror's Scourgestalker Legguards;Icescale Leg Armor;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);None;Greaves of Swift Vengeance;Icewalker;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi);Brann's Signet Ring;None;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Brann's Sealing Ring;None;Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi);Darkmoon Card: Greatness;None;None;Dark Matter;None;None;Skyforge Crossbow;Heartseeker Scope;None;None;Saronite Razorheads;

Tehalbino · 05/20/09, 2:27 AM

Could you let us know when the spreadsheet is updated with the current changes to all ranged weapons? Thanks in advance, and sorry if it already is But I didn't notice a change.

Edit: (To the Poster above) I noticed you have aimed shot listed in the rotation, but your specs numbers dont seem to accomodate it - Guessing you forgot to change it when you switched from marks.

hakfufin · 05/20/09, 3:20 AM

For maximum dps, is it wise to just use blood fury / rapid fire / trinkets every time they are off cooldown. Or wait and time Blood Fury + Blood Lust or Blood Fury + Rapid fire?

Ranzman · 05/20/09, 6:17 AM

Hi guys,

can someone explain me following thing:

i downloaded the actual spreadsheet, loaded best sv dps (7702,83), changed race to NE, turned Draenei racial on and the dps goes down to 7635,7. Thats correct.

But now the thing i dont understand:

When i change the Glinting Monarch Topaz (8 Agi, 8 Hit) in Drape of the Faceless General to Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi) i lose the socket bonus of 6 Agi and my dps goes down to 7629,3. But it should went up, because i am over the hitcap and have +2 agi. can someone explain me that thing?

all hit over 100% hit should have no effect, is this considered?

Celadez · 05/20/09, 1:12 PM

@motso85

Aren't you missing a blue gem for the meta requirement for the MM and Survival versions?

motso85 · 05/20/09, 1:23 PM

how can i possibly miss the requirements with 3 dragon's eyes?