I'll just add that using the highest damage shot first isn't always right.
Consider following cases.
Case 1
Shot A does 1000 damage and has 5 gcd cd -> 200 dpg (damage per gcd)
Shot B does 750 damage and has 3 gcd cd -> 250 dpg
A -> B priority (you check this easily) does 425 dpg while B -> A priority does 417 dpg. So it's is right to use higher damage shot A first.

Case 2
Shot A does 1000 damage and has 10 gcd cd -> 100 dpg
Shot B does 600 damage and has 3 gcd cd -> 200 dpg
A -> B priority does 280 dpg while B -> A priority does 295 dpg. So in this case, it's better to use higher dpg (or dps samething) shot over higher damage shot.

Case 3
Shot A does 1000 damage and has 6 gcd cd -> 167 dpg
Shot B does 500 damage and has 2 gcd cd -> 200 dpg
In this case, the priority doesn't matter. This is simply because two shots never become available at the same time and in 6 gcd rotation, you fire 1 A and 3 B regardless of which one you prioritize.

The simplest way to figure out the best rotation would be to write a program to simulate a rotation and examine dps of all possible rotations. Currently, I don't have any tools available to me to write such program, so I leave this to some more advanced programmer.

I do not have access to the spreadsheet, but wouldnt 3/3 Improved Steady Shot provide a higher dps boost than having Silencing Shot with 2/3 Improved Steady Shot? Reason being, you will be able to prolong your dps time without having to switch to AotV or firing a Viper Sting.

And since, the answer is most likely "no" because no build on here is set up like that. How much of a dps loss are we looking at with going for 3/3 ISS?

Depends on where you take the points from.

If you took the point from Rapid Recuperation and Silencing shot, with 3 points in ISS you would lose about 21 DPS.

If you took the point from Improved Barage and Silencing shot, you'd lose 47 DPS.

ISS is a complete piece of crap talent.
it has 5/10/15% chance to proc on a shot with frequency of about once in 4 sec, which means it'll proc once approximately every 80/40/27 sec. Now, it increases next chimera, aimed, or arcane shot damage by 15%. It sounds nice at first, but in reality it isn't. First, it only affects the shot part of the chimera and not the serpent effect part of it. Second, because it procs when steady shot hits the target, you most likely already fired your next shot, so you can't make sure to use the proc on your most damaging shot, chimera shot. A lot of times, arcane will eat up the proc. Now let's look at the actual damage boost. Chimera's shot part averages about 7500 damage, while arcane and aimed averages about 5000 and 6000 respectively in best in slot gear. Assuming ISS proc will be used on random shot (it is more likely to be used on arcane shot as it has shorter cd, but let's make the math easier), it'll gain you about 925 damage on average. So ISS will gives you approximately 12/23/34 dps, or about 11 dps per point (that's about 0.14% dps increase per point. SERIOUSLY! 0.14%). Let's compare this to silencing shot, which hits for about 1800 damage. It has 20 sec cd, and it's not on gcd, so it simply adds 90 dps. So the dps difference would be about 80 dps.
Your reasoning is that silencing shot is highly mana ineffective. However, even using silencing shot, with full raid buff including JoW, you can last about 7 minutes. So there is really no fight that would make mana a problem (vezax doesn't count, because thrill of the hunt works on this fight, and hunters blow on this fight neway).

If ISS is that terrrible of a talent, why aren't more people taking all of the points out of ISS and putting them into Efficiency or IHM?

Well Efficiency is crap, and this is the Best possible DPS thread which assumes someone else has IHM. No need for two hunters in a raid to have it.

Yes, stands for silencing shot.

On the 'Best DPS MM' template I get a ~30 Damage Per Second increase if I take 1 point out of Rapid Recuperation
and put it into Improved Steady Shot.

Edit: I also get a DPS increase if you swap out the Steady Shot glyph for the Aimed Shot glyph.

Best SV DPS can be increased from 8077,10 to 8078,24 by changing following gems:


Dreambinder:
OLD --> Blue Socket 2 Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi)
NEW --> Blue Socket 2 Shifting Twilight Opal (8 Agi, 12 Sta)


Greaves of Swift Vengeance
OLD --> Blue Socket 2 Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
NEW --> Blue Socket 2 Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi)


The 8agi Socket Bonus from Dreambinder compensate the 8agi loss to the shifting twillight opal, but you gain 12stam that gives a slight dps increase

There's a pretty decent dps increase from switching Steady to Aimed glyph.

Best current DPS MM: 8116.86 with Steady, Serpent and Chimera glyphes

New DPS MM: 8129.30 with Aimed, Serpent, Chimera glyphes

I haven't changed anything else, this is with default Best_DPS_89a.

Any news about it, i'm curious

I think it was already mentioned before but wasn't implemented into the spreadsheet

Best SV Template:

1 Point out of Trap Mastery into 3/3 Resourcefullness.
Hardmode: 8114,34DPS

Load Best MM Template (8122,01 dps)

Change :

Spaulder for Mantle of Fiery Vengeance (8 agi 8 crit)
Leg for Legguards of Cunning Deception (3 x 16 agi)
Feet for Greaves of Swift Vengeance (16 agi & 27 agi)

8127,39 dps

I doubt you are right.
But 4/5 Master Tactician and 3/3 Resourcefulness are possible (8078,69DPS).
Or:
2/3 TNT and 3/3 Resourcefulness (8078,77DPS).

Can't confirm, getting 8117.94 with those changes which is a drop.

Just a question guys even if i think it's not right place to ask.

I downloaded the spreadsheet but i can't switch between the preloaded profiles and if i create an own profile the buttons (for loading gear from armory or talent spec and such) doesn't work (this using Open office)
I tried also on a Pc with Excel and it gives the same problem am i missing something?

sorry again for posting in the wrong place... feel free to delete this if it's unappropriate

Katane

I just got the latest spreadsheet from this thread and loaded the Best DPS MM profile (8122dps).
Now, on the top it says 100.8% Ranged Hit Chance vs. Lvl 83 but when I check the total hit the profile actually give is 232 hit rating.

I always thought the hit cap for hunters was 263.

The profile is listed for Orcs so I checked to see of the draenei racial buff was on and it wasn't.

So did the hit cap changed for hunters? O.o

EDIT: my bad, there's 1 point in Focused Aim

Delete

Spreadsheet V89b

Hunter DPS 6925.36
Pet DPS 1207.41
Total DPS 8132.77

Race: Orc
Professions: JC/BS
Spec: 6/14/51
Pet: Wolf
Battle Elixir: Elixir of Mighty Agility
Guardian Elixir: Elixir of Mighty Thoughts
Food: Blackened Dragonfin

Glyphs:
Glyph of Explosive Shot
Glyph of Serpent Sting
Glyph of Kill Shot

Rotation Priority:
Kill Shot
Explosive Shot
Black Arrow
Serpent Sting
Multi-Shot
Rapid Fire
Blood Fury
Steady Shot

Main Hand: [Dreambinder] - Massacre (Two Hand) - Glinting Monarch Topaz (8 Agi 8 Hit) - Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi)
Head: [Conqueror's Scourgestalker Headpiece] - Arcanum of Torment - Relentless Earthsiege Diamond (21 Agi) - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Neck: [Pendulum of Infinity] - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Shoulders: [Conqueror's Scourgestalker Spaulders] - Greater Inscription of the Axe - Delicate Stormjewel (20 Agi)
Back: [Drape of the Faceless General] - Major Agility - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi) - Glinting Monarch Topaz (8 Agi 8 Hit)
Chest : [Conqueror's Scourgestalker Tunic] - Powerful Stats - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi) - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Wrist: [Frost-bound Chain Bracers] - Greater Assault - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Hands: [Gloves of the Steady Hand] - Major Agility - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi) - Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi) - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Waist: [Belt of the Betrayed] - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Legs: [Conqueror's Scourgestalker Legguards] - Icescale Leg Armor - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi) - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Feet: [Greaves of Swift Vengeance] - Superior Agility - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi) - Delicate Dragon's Eye (27 Agi)
Ring: [Brann's Sealing Ring] - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Ring: Brann's Signet Ring - Delicate Scarlet Ruby (16 Agi)
Trinket: [Dark Matter]
Trinket: [Darkmoon Card: Greatness]
Ranged Weapon: [Skyforge Crossbow] - Heartseeker Scope
Ammo: [Saronite Razorheads]

Edit: Fixed Typo

Changing 3/3 TnT to 2/3 TnT in favor of 2/3 Expose Weakness changes DPS to 7392.95 for Best Non-Hardmode Survival.

Utilizing the new update (89c), I've managed to put together an 8320 dps MM build. Problem is, the spreadsheet neglected Elixir of Armor Piercing and Hearty Rhino (ArP food) isn't working properly so i had to input those stats as hand adjustments (and putting in blanks for the food/pots lines accordingly).

I'll post the setup when i get a chance later on.

For Non-Hardmode Survival, you can change

Neck [Nymph Heart Charm] with [Broach of the Wailing Night]
Shoulder [Shoulders of Misfortune] with [Conqueror's Scourgestalker Spaulders]
Legs [Conqueror's Scourgestalker Legguards] with [Saronite Mesh Legguards] with 16 agi and 27 agi gems

and the enchant on boots to icewalker,

you get 7421 dps.

Making the talent change posted above makes it 7426.78.

For Best non-hardmode MM

you change [Conqueror's Scourgestalker Legguards] to [Saronite Mesh Legguards]
and [Iron-studded Mantle] to [Conqueror's Scourgestalker Spaulders]
and change boot enchant from agi to icewalker.

old dps: 7450.18
new dps: 7462.02

I cant tell, but this may not be better when the JC nerf comes out. Its much easier to achieve the socket bonus with saronite legs then Conqueror's which boosts Saronite legs value. I suppose we should be trying post JC nerf spreadsheets as well, since many socket bonuses will change altering hit and other stats.