According to my calculations whether or not Agi or ArP is better depends entirely on "when" you ask the question. Assuming you have a ArP trinket like Grim or Mjolnir you should gem agility unless you can get close to the passive ArP cap (including food/elixir) of 620 for Grim Toll and 567 for Mjolnir Runestone.

Gearing ArP is nice but butchering your other stats and bonuses to get there doesn't pay off. If you're falling pretty far short of these caps you're probably taking a substantial dps hit.

My suggestion is to stick with Agi focused gear/gems until you're able to comfortably get to the passive ArP cap with a trinket. (If you don't have a trinket the point is entirely moot and you should be 100% agil focused.)

After you've hit the ArP cap you should start gearing toward agility again. These are calculations I've done to figure relative stat values after the hit cap
At 580 passive ArP:
8534.03 proc dps
7345.84 w/o proc dps
7583.62 mean dps

If I switch 3 agil gems to ArP I get this:
At 628 passive ArP:
8447.53 proc dps
7341.40 w/o proc dps
7562.62 mean dps

Because of the exponential scaling of ArP this Agil > ArP rule past the passive ArP cap doesn't remain true indefinitely. I believe there's another threshold of passive ArP where stacking more ArP clearly becomes more beneficial. I'll leave it to someone else to figure out where that line is.

You forgot to press the "Test Rotation" button... After pressing, dps goes down below 8.5k.

I was talking to my rogue friend and this is the ArP cap on the rogue part of ES;


amount of buffs/debuffs amount ArP% needed rating required With Grim Toll proc
None 100 1232 620
Sunder 87.171 1074 462
Sunder+FF 84.324 1039 427

Does the spreadsheet not calculate sunder+FF so only 427 ArP would be needed and not 580? allowing for more agility gems?

No, ArP is calculated after armor debuffs. The debuffs reduce the armor, ArP as the name says penetrates armor. Different mechanics.

I was messing with the Best DPS MM profile and I replace aimed shot glyph with chimera glyph.
It gave a 49.25 dps increase.
It went from 8509.65 to 8558.90
This was done with 150ms after clicking test rotation in verison best_dps_89g

I'm probably just wrong, but I got higher dps dropping silencing shot from the shot rotation and hitting test rotation.
Does the spreadsheet count the shot under the same gcd is that why?

Also checked changing aimed to chimera glyph does increase dps. *and so does killshot by ALOT

using BIS MM profile and removing silencing shot and swapping aimed shot glyph for kill shot gave me 8853 dps.

I could repeat GreenWins, but could not repeat bumsquad test.
With just switching aimed glyph to chimaera I got 8558.90.
When exchanged JC gem from chest to bracer, as did Iloveyouall wrote, got 8565.96.

I downloaded the lastest version to try to recreate my results. I found that only after taking silencing shot off of the rotation would kill shot result in higher dps.

This is all I did
shot rotation is serpent>rapid fire>chimera>kill>aimed>bloodfury>readiness>steady
changed glyph of aimed shot to glyph of kill shot
went to rotation test and hit test rotation--->8853.53 dps

@ alienangel:

I haven't tried taking silencing shot of my rotation on any boss fights. I just noticed this in the spreadsheet. I agree with you, I can't imagine how dropping something that is on its own GCD could result in lower dps unless you run oom faster.

Yes I was asking about the spreadsheet - is it claiming you run oom while using SilS (i.e. if you're not using the Always On mode with aspect set to hawk, does your Hawk uptime drop below 100%?)?

Hey midnight, I know I asked this in the pass, but it wasn't done and perhaps you missed it. When you list the Best In slot on page 1, can you include which post # we can find that BIS. And if BIS is just a modification over someone elses original post, perhaps a BIS = post # 125 modified off post #107. I tried to DL the BIS excel spread sheets, but I cant seem to load anything outside the BIS hardmode BM and Non Hardmode SV.

Well that sounds like your answer right there - your original post just said you were dropping SilS from your rotation and seeing higher dps, you should have mentioned that you were also shuffling points around.

Set your aspect behaviour to Always On, and you should I think see no loss in dps from adding SilS to your rotation - if that's the case, then you were just running out of mana more often in your SilS spec/rotation (not finding the spreadsheet being buggy).

I'm guessing the dps drop when you have no SilS but RR is because... you're not firing silencing shots anymore.