I have gone thru something similar, and it depends on spec and what you do when it procs. When I was MM, I liked the mirror, since I would fire off a Chimera, follow it up with a SS for the additional ATK PWR stack, for an even higher chimera 10 seconds later. I would also keep track of the CD of mirror (if my memory does not fail me, its a 45 secs internal CD, that was up pretty much at every 45 secs), and sometimes delay my Rapid Fire (every 3 minutes) for it as well. All of that said, it took careful monitoring, and it doesn't always works. Both trinkets are close enough, and bandits is just easier.

I may be wrong, but it doesn't appear that Glyph of Chimera Shot is functioning properly on the latest v86c. It yields no DPS increase in comparison to "None".

It's functioning properly; you're just not able to fire chimera shots with a frequency higher than 10 seconds even with that glyph because of the way cooldowns line up and what you have your latency set at. For instance, say you the GCD end at 8.9 seconds. Most likely what you'd want to do is wait .1 seconds and do a chimera, but the spreadsheet doesn't support waiting. What it's going to do is fire a steady/arcane/multi/aimed, which is going to add GCD+latency, making your next shot not occur until after 10 seconds.

I've only had this happen with latency set to 0.2 seconds. If it's set to 0.1 seconds or 0.3 seconds, it's a significant DPS increase.

I think its because only the two seconds (ticks) after it hits actually count as ticks.

This setting is a left-over from one of the beta-builds where there was a bit of confusion about how many ticks Explosive Shot did. I've been meaning to remove it.

I have searched these forums for this answer and cant seem to find it so I decided to give a new post a shot.

If you check out my armory The World of Warcraft Armory

I am currently 4 items away from the spreadsheets BIS. I am missing the Boots of the Renewed Flight, the Surge Needle Ring, the Frosted Adroit Handguards and of course the Fury of the Five Flights.

As you can see with the current gear I have im sitting at 244 hit rating. Well last night I got the FFoF. But im not sure if I should even bother to Re gem some 27 agil gems for 27 hit gems or re-enchant my gloves/bracers to make up for the hit on the grim toll.

So my question is, should I stay with my current gear and wait for the Gloves or Gloves AND ring off maly?

Should I re-enchant/gem and use FoFF for the time being?

I also have Black ice that I could switch out but the stat loss from Journeys end seems to high to swap.

Im just trying to get the best possible DPS with the gear I currently have until the BIS items drop and I get them.

Any intelligent suggestions will be appreciated

"Chest: [Valorous Cryptstalker Tunic] + [Powerful Stats], [Delicate Scarlet Ruby], [Delicate Dragon's Eye]"

Mostly everyone agrees that those are the best sockets for the Tunic but, I would like to disagree.

Option 1: 16 Agility Gem = 0.192 Critical Strike Chance + 16 Attack Power
Option 2: 7 Agility 11 Stamina Gem = 0.084 Critical Strike Chance + "X" amount of AP
+6 Critical Strike Rating Set Bonus = 0.130 Critical Strike Chance
(Socket Bonus From Valorous CryptStalker Tunic +6 Critical Strike Rating)

0.084+0.130 = 0.214 With Socket Bonus
*********** = 0.192 Without Socket Bonus
This small calculation I made shows that you will earn extra critical strike chance. This is why I disagree, if I am wrong will someone please correct me or tell me the reasoning behind the +16 agility socket.

The way you presented this seems like you disagree with the blue socket gem selection. [Delicate Dragon's Eye] fits in all slot. So, the [Delicate Scarlet Ruby] goes to 'Red' Socket, and [Delicate Dragon's Eye] goes to the 'Blue' socket. Am I missing something here?

Alright, I see where you are coming from because, this came out being up to my standards, without having Jewelry Crafting.

a SV hunter with 6k ap and 40crit can do how many dps in 25raid?how to dps?Explosive Shot, steady, steady for a cycle?shall i use aimed shot in it?

Ok I'm a newb at this spreadsheet thing but please bear with me - been reading for months and finally got around to getting Excel to try this out...

But I want to make sure I'm filling this out right and reading the results right .

From what I understand (and what I've done)

I filled out current gear, talent spec, expected raid buffs, pet spec, shot rotations and saved all of that to the profile.

THEN I can go to "Gear Planner" and click on "sort" - and it will show me BiS based on all the above entered in information?

And then the overview is showing me an overview of my DPS and all that given the above saved information?

I wasn't really sure how "Gear Planner" and other buttons (sort, ranged weapons, etc) worked so I wanted to make sure I was reading it right .

I don't have the standard Best BM Talent Spec right now (as given by the spreadsheet), nor access to Eye of Eternity (yet...we tried KT25 first time last night heh).

So I want to be sure I'm using this thing right and that its telling me the right BiSs for what I am right now .

(For example, for me Tunic of Masked Suffering is BiS, but I know that for most of the other specs mentioned its not, Torn Web Wrapping isn't being listed as my best belt but again for most other of the specs it IS, And Grim Toll is a trinket on my list and I saw that for the other lists its not even on the top 10 heh).

Thanks for any advice/help!

FWIW, I took the Best_DPS_84.xls spreadsheet from the first page and found a couple small upgrades for "BEST DPS SV" and "no consumables - no Heroic Presence". Someone correct me if these are not valid:

- Changed the [Delicate Dragon's Eye] on the [Chestguard of Flagrant Prowess] to [Delicate Scarlet Ruby]. The Socket Bonus of +6 Hit on the chest was not needed.
- Changed the [Delicate Scarlet Ruby] on the [Slime Stream Bands] to [Delicate Dragon's Eye]. This enables the +8 Attack Power on the wrist.
- Changed the [Elixir of Mighty Agility]/[Elixir of Mighty Thoughts] to [Flask of Endless Rage]. I know it has been common agreement that the 2 Elixir setup > 1 Flask but the spreadsheet disagrees for this particular gear/spec setup.

Pre-Change DPS:
Hunter - 5521.66
Pet - 1182.10
Total - 6703.76


Post-Change DPS:
Hunter - 5528.98
Pet - 1186.19
Total - 6715.16

Cheers!

I was using the PTR spreadsheet and my DPS is reading 7k+ am I missing something here? I have been reading posts that SV dps is worse on the PTR then on live? Can somebody clear this up for me ? Thanks.

I play a tauren hunter and have completed all content available to date, including Twilight Vanquisher. I have read extensively about the spreadsheet and what the BiS items are for a SV hunter. I have a few of the "BiS" items and use the same rotation, people are saying i should see dps values of 6k +. I don't, plain and simple. I see maybe 3600 dps in naxx 25, and am like 9th or 10th on the recount.

My current, buffed only with Dragonhawk numbers are:

Agility 1283
Attack Power 4647
Hit 257
Speed 2.15
Crit 36.44%

My rotation includes, open with serpent sting, explosive shot, spam steady shot until explosive is ready again, than back to steady, When i get a lock and load proc, I hit explosive, multi shot, and than explosive, than back to my rotation.

I carry anywhere from 6fps to 15 fps, with an avg connection of 150 ms.

Any help to get me back on track would be appreciated, thank you

You're gonna want to just do 3 Explosives in a row(with a half a second pause in between) when LnL procs, to get Explosive on cooldown as quickly as possible. The pause is to prevent clipping the last tick of Explosive Shot.

To begin with, your shot rotation/priority is incorrect.
You should be using the following PRIORITY (not rotation):
Kill Shot
Explosive Shot
Multi / Aimed Shot
Serpent Sting
Steady Shot

The Survival thread will be able to give you more answers.

The BiS/MM profile in 86c (yes, I know I need to get the latest 3.1 sheet) shows a DPS of 6693, so I'd say you're doing ok - although I haven't looked at your gear.

Not sure what you mean by a "true" rotation - shot CDs of differing lengths make a genuine rotation impossible - but you should try looking at the shot rotation tab to see if that covers what you mean. You can then go to the Settings tab and tell the spreadsheet to use that rather than percentages if you're interested in the difference between the two (cell F13).

The Build that I'm playing with for MM is using gear to get me haste soft capped and using glyph of Chimera and Glyph of Aimed Shot, So my rotation would be Chimera, Aimed, Stead Steady Steady, repeat as needed. The only problem with this is putting in my opening rotation with Serpent sting and putting the rapid fires in the spreadsheet.

why no arcane shot?

Your Shot priorities aside, I'm in a similar boat. Although I am sitting a bit below hit cap (I tend to run with hit food at this point and I'm going to be re-evaluating my gear/gems come patch and Ulduar), my DPS output SHOULD be hitting over 6-7k at this point all things being equal.

I too get around 6-20fps (10-mans) on a good night and my MS is anywhere from 150-250. My priorities are correct, my procs, cooldowns, etc., are all correct. I get a bit higher DPS than you do, but overall, it's much lower than it should be... I've ran the numbers, I've seen the comparisons, I've explored every other possible situation including respecs, regears, regems, repets, refoods, re-everything (Current spec was another experiment). I can account for a loss in about 150-300 DPS here and there, but not nearly the 1-2k loss I'm seeing.

Sadly, I've come to the realization that the only way I'm fixing my DPS "cap" is to upgrade my video card, and worst case scenario, change servers to a closer time zone (PST on an EST server) so I can hit a higher FPS. Yes, horrible FPS such as the kind you and I are seeing can affect your DPS by as much as the 1-2k difference we're seeing over the course of a fight.

You can fix your shot priority a bit as was suggested, get hit capped, and yes, tweak something here or there, but I do honestly believe the bottom line is that with a bad fps and latency, there's a hard DPS "ceiling" that's hit that no amount of "Fixes" other than hardware will solve.

Added note, the length of a fight, the DPS of your raid, as well as the buffs you're running can greatly affect your DPS output. These are all things to consider. Try running the DPS scenarios with and without buffs as well and see if you're close either way. I've ran every situation both in game and in theory crafting/number crunching.

This is of course only my experience however, and the only solution left for me personally. YMMV.

P.S. ATI sucks I've come to find out. >.>

Mistype. I meant to include Arcane. Chimera,Aimed,Arcane,Steady Steady Steady

It's pretty plan and simple. You probably just do not have the right group composition. Unless you are following the spreadsheet exactly, then you will expect to see the numbers not as high up on the meters, also (As many posted before me) You need to work on your shot priorities which should be looked into on a different thread.