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03/26/09, 2:19 PM
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#101
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Great Tiger
Blood Elf Hunter
Runetotem (EU)
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Originally Posted by Gaj
What's the consensus on solo tanking pets in 3.1? With the changes to thuderstomp, will BM Turtles be the tank pet of choice?
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Well, Thunderstomp is the big AoE aggrothing for our pets (in fact is even a very good single target aggro ability). So basically any Tenacity pet can now take over where the Gorilla reigned supreme before. However, there isn't likely to one 'best' pet for old content. For instance if the boss has a lot of spawned adds on a short cooldown, then a pet that can grab aggro will be good, like a Bear. If the boss has a relatively large amount of adds with more than enough HP, then a pet that can maintain AoE aggro is good, like a Crocolisk. If the boss has a nasty enrage that you can't avoid, then reduction to damage will be superior, like a Turtle. And if the boss selfheals for a lot then a Gorialla with Pummel will be good.
Now, most likely each and everyone of those can manage in the others' speciality areas, but the specialists should have an easier time.
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03/26/09, 8:19 PM
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#102
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Glass Joe
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I don't remember which thread it was exactly, but I saw someone here mention that Doom Lord Kazzak was possible to solo, as well as Doomwalker being another potential soloable boss. I myself have never fought Kazzak, and when I fought Doomwalker, it was at 80 with a nearly full group, and I wasn't really paying attention, so I don't know his details.
Being 70 raid bosses, I'd imagine it would require a healer at the very least.
Last edited by Nedus : 03/26/09 at 8:30 PM.
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03/26/09, 9:14 PM
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#103
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Great Tiger
Blood Elf Hunter
Runetotem (EU)
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Maybe soloable for well geared Blood DK tanks, I doubt Hunters can solo either. They have HP like Ony more or less, more armor etc. So killingtime will be similar. However their raiddamage is much more profound, to the point that I doubt a potion and some bandages and/or specialist trinkets can manage it.
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03/27/09, 4:49 AM
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#104
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Von Kaiser
Tauren Hunter
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
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Originally Posted by Myul
You can farm the raptor easily solo since lvl 70, climb on the top of the temple and jump down a floor. Evade the raptor and nuke mandokir.
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Does this still work? I tried it 2 weeks ago and when I was standing on the lower platform after I jumped and started dps'ing the boss, I somehow ended up before the boss my pet was tanking. In order words I automaticly left that platform I was standing on.
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03/27/09, 5:45 AM
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#105
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Always carry a white flag
Undead Death Knight
Twisting Nether (EU)
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Originally Posted by KraxisSingular
Maybe soloable for well geared Blood DK tanks, I doubt Hunters can solo either. They have HP like Ony more or less, more armor etc. So killingtime will be similar. However their raiddamage is much more profound, to the point that I doubt a potion and some bandages and/or specialist trinkets can manage it.
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Doomwalker I don't think you can solo, mostly because of his armor debuff thingie, in a 30-40mins fight, you're bound to get hit consecutively by it and have your armor nerfed into the ground, at which point self healing isn't really enough. Duoed him with a priest healing, and it wasn't particularly hard, but it wasn't totally easy either and we did wipe once(aggro dump and he one rounded the priest who was too close), but I required some healing, more than a blood spec can sustain. For the same reasons, I highly doubt a hunter could solo, especially since hunter's pets have less avoidance, less armor and way less health than a DK, for about equal healing power.
Kazzak, definitely not happening. For the DK, the obvious reasons is you can't dispel the curse that heals him for 50k, and for hunters I'm pretty sure you'd simply die to the shadowbolts or the mana draining stuff, we were getting our ass owned with the same priest we duoed doomwalker with.
Those 2 as far as I know require at least 2 people, in kazzak's case, I'd say 3 is a safer bet.
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03/27/09, 10:12 AM
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#106
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Great Tiger
Blood Elf Hunter
Runetotem (EU)
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Assumed he wasn't really soloable, but you never know with you pesky DKs.
The funny thing was that I was running with an assumption on Doomwalker not Kazzak. But you answered that one pretty well.
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03/28/09, 2:15 PM
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#107
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Hunter
Doomhammer (EU)
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Another update: soloed General Rajaxx in AQ20 just now, he is remarkably easier than i first thought.
The 8 waves before him are fairly trivial, just remember to nuke down the flying whirlwind mobs first, then focus on the warriors (higher hp, lower damage output) and finish of the named mobs last (You could probably kill the named npc first too, but the exact mechanics of when the next wave starts are not known to me, also since those have changed in the past. Either way, the 8 waves shouldnt pose many problems.)
Rajaxx himself: first time i tried him - about a week ago - i panicked when he did the 8k thunderclap on me 5 seconds into the fight. Little did i know that its actually 50% of your current health(i should have realized that at lvl 60 few people had over 8000 hitpoints :P ). If you start the fight on 17000 hp, after the first clap you will have 8500 hp left, another clap and you are down to 4250 hp, etc.
What does this mean? Its fairly simple; dont bother bandaging or use healthpots, it all comes down to another tank and spank fight. Few things to pay attention to: every thunderclap he will reset threat, this is very important to consider with everything you do; be very careful with Mend Pet and do not bother using Serpent Sting, especially when you are at low hp (which you will end up at eventually). He will do a major knockback on you and your pet every Thunderclap, and if your Mend Pet and/or Serpent Sting ticks right after this, your pet wont be able to reach the boss in time to take aggro again; you will die since you only have less than 1k hp left.
Like i said, do not bother healing yourself in any way, save your pot cooldown in case you do get aggro when you are low on health. One talent you should really take for this fight is Spirit Bond, this little heal will guarantee you can stay alive forever on him, assuming you dont pull aggro.
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03/28/09, 2:32 PM
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#108
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by RSkillz
Does this still work? I tried it 2 weeks ago and when I was standing on the lower platform after I jumped and started dps'ing the boss, I somehow ended up before the boss my pet was tanking. In order words I automaticly left that platform I was standing on.
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If you go above your pet's aggro and bosses can't reach you, they will teleport you infront of them. So i think it's still doable as long you take it very slow. I prefer bugging a friends alt and just 2 man him every reset.
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03/28/09, 11:04 PM
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#109
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Glass Joe
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I've been farming ZG for some time now, never tried Hakkar until yesterday, and the fight is ridiculously easy once you've kill the five aspects.
In fact the spider boss is the hardest for me at the moment. It's quite long to drain all her mana, and she doesn't need a lot to cast her life drain. And the stuns on the pet are quite anoying.
I also went to AQ20, but I can't manage to kill Ossirian alone. I've had a few bugged cristals, but anyway the pet gets stun too often, I need to find a way to take less damage during the stuns or to reduce the stun duration/chance.
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03/29/09, 8:03 AM
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#110
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Glass Joe
Orc Hunter
Stormrage (EU)
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Originally Posted by Pijn
Another update: soloed General Rajaxx in AQ20 just now, he is remarkably easier than i first thought.
The 8 waves before him are fairly trivial, just remember to nuke down the flying whirlwind mobs first, then focus on the warriors (higher hp, lower damage output) and finish of the named mobs last (You could probably kill the named npc first too, but the exact mechanics of when the next wave starts are not known to me, also since those have changed in the past. Either way, the 8 waves shouldnt pose many problems.)
Rajaxx himself: first time i tried him - about a week ago - i panicked when he did the 8k thunderclap on me 5 seconds into the fight. Little did i know that its actually 50% of your current health(i should have realized that at lvl 60 few people had over 8000 hitpoints :P ). If you start the fight on 17000 hp, after the first clap you will have 8500 hp left, another clap and you are down to 4250 hp, etc.
What does this mean? Its fairly simple; dont bother bandaging or use healthpots, it all comes down to another tank and spank fight. Few things to pay attention to: every thunderclap he will reset threat, this is very important to consider with everything you do; be very careful with Mend Pet and do not bother using Serpent Sting, especially when you are at low hp (which you will end up at eventually). He will do a major knockback on you and your pet every Thunderclap, and if your Mend Pet and/or Serpent Sting ticks right after this, your pet wont be able to reach the boss in time to take aggro again; you will die since you only have less than 1k hp left.
Like i said, do not bother healing yourself in any way, save your pot cooldown in case you do get aggro when you are low on health. One talent you should really take for this fight is Spirit Bond, this little heal will guarantee you can stay alive forever on him, assuming you dont pull aggro.
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The named mobs are the biggest threat, especially the named one who summons a thunderstorm that wil kill the friendly NPCs very fast. You need those NPCs for rajaxx, they are not only extra DPS but the leutenant general's aura helps you survive the AoE thunderclap he does (and the occasional stun he does on rajaxx helps too). No pots needed, yust make sure you can quickly MD if the boss goes for you or the leutenant general after an aggro reset. if your pet has his back close to wall, he won't get knockbacked so far and can easily catch him.
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03/30/09, 3:45 PM
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#111
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Von Kaiser
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Before considering any hunter talents, pet talents, or pet type, what does the pet inherit from a level 80 hunter, in terms of %health, %AP, %crit, %dodge, %defense, etc? (%Hit and %spellhit have been covered extensively elsewhere, but I have not found anything on these stats.)
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03/30/09, 4:28 PM
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#112
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Hunter
Moonglade (EU)
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Originally Posted by Daemous
Before considering any hunter talents, pet talents, or pet type, what does the pet inherit from a level 80 hunter, in terms of %health, %AP, %crit, %dodge, %defense, etc? (%Hit and %spellhit have been covered extensively elsewhere, but I have not found anything on these stats.)
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Pets inherit 30% of hunter stamina, 35% of armor, 40% of magic resistances and 22% of ranged attack power as attack power, 12,867% of it as spell power.
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04/02/09, 7:22 AM
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#113
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Gorrog666
While Living Ice Crystal is very nice it is also extremly hard to get. Also when I was trying Garr today I almost made it past the adds. The solution is high dmg with 2T5 for maximum heal. Mana is more of a problem than anything else because at some point you won't have enough for volley and then your pet dies. I have to bring some mana pots along next time, I noticed this while doing core hound packs. Core hound packs are rather easy if you have enough damage since your T5 will heal enough if you do not use any tanking equip. The great thing about core hound packs is you can use aspect of the viper, with Garr you can't really switch you have to use Aspect of the Dragonhawk for maximum heal.
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I tried soloing Garr today after I killed Baron.. I only tried once because I was still raid spec and my gorilla is only lvl 77, but I got aggro almost instantly off my second volley tick. I'm curious as to how you can keep a high dmg volley running to heal your pet as well as have them stay on your pet. Maybe its just because my pet isn't lvl 80 but that's hard to believe. How are you able to keep the mobs on your pet?
Last edited by Dmanham : 04/02/09 at 7:41 AM.
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04/03/09, 11:42 PM
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#115
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Hunter
Al'Akir (EU)
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re to ZG high priestess arokk
How to solo this one? i dont think using FD and mending pet can kill her cos i've tried some times. when i stand up to heal my pet, i'll get about 4000 dmg from those powlers...how to do?Anyone who has done that could tell me?thx a lot!!
For the other bosses in ZG, it's quite easy to do.
PS: if u wanna a safety and quickest way to kill the Tiger boss in ZG, u can add my MSN(sharp-love-ranny@hotmail.com), we can also discute the other bosses' solo way.
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04/04/09, 5:51 AM
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#116
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Glass Joe
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Arokk
Originally Posted by sharpshooter
How to solo this one? i dont think using FD and mending pet can kill her cos i've tried some times. when i stand up to heal my pet, i'll get about 4000 dmg from those powlers...how to do?Anyone who has done that could tell me?thx a lot!!
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The trick to this one is to realize that it's her version of Hunter's Mark that kills you. It's what attracts all the panther adds to go and chew on you. Hence, you want to avoid getting that slapped on you at all cost. MD pull her back to the entrance as soon as you've whacked the gong, throw a mend on your pet, and feign next to the entrance wall (but outside her cleave/aoe range). While feigned you won't get marked, and she never marks your pet anyway. Your pet should have no problem staying up until well after she's back out in caster form again.
I find that sometimes I have to break my feign and throw a mend on my pet a few seconds before she vanishes. This seems to be perfectly safe. I suspect she might only put her mark up while in panther form.
Once she vanishes, mend your pet up to full and get ready to feign once she comes back. Stay close to the entrance and you won't attract any panthers (even if you have the mark on you, provided you only popped back up once she was gone). Make sure your pet is parked away from you so she doesn't stand next to you and cleave/aoe you to bits.
Rinse. Repeat. 
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04/04/09, 6:35 AM
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#117
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Von Kaiser
Troll Hunter
Ravencrest (EU)
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Originally Posted by sharpshooter
How to solo this one? i dont think using FD and mending pet can kill her cos i've tried some times.
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Mostly you do it like Anyia there described. Few additional tips:
- Use Ferocity pet for Bloodthirsty - Spell - World of Warcraft. This is probably mandatory
- When Arlokk vanishes, in addition to Mending your pet, use Beastial Wrath just as Arlokk appears again and Feign Death
- If some single panthers get thru, take them down with your pet while still feigning death yourself. They have low hp.
- Hug the wall near the entrance all the time
If your pet starts to get low on health, get up throw a Mend Pet, nuke Arlokk until she vanishes again. If panthers start getting on to you, throw Explosive Trap and volley and continue as before.
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04/04/09, 11:26 AM
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#118
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Glass Joe
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For me she's placing her mark only in caster form, not in panther form, so I FD as long as I can while she's in caster form and burst her when she morphs to panther. I use a gorilla, and the Spirit Link is enough to keep him alive, I just throw one last mend before I FD (mainly do dispell the incoming shadow words).
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04/04/09, 11:33 AM
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#119
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Hunter
Al'Akir (EU)
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thx for the reponds~and for correcting an error, while jin'do's totem control u, u will not get full HP after the control. SO how u solo that~?
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04/04/09, 1:13 PM
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#120
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Great Tiger
Blood Elf Hunter
Runetotem (EU)
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Originally Posted by sharpshooter
thx for the reponds~and for correcting an error, while jin'do's totem control u, u will not get full HP after the control. SO how u solo that~?
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Not always I have noticed after doing him with my Shaman. But most of te time you do get full health. You don't happen to have your pet out?
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04/05/09, 6:58 PM
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#121
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Hunter
Al'Akir (EU)
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re
i just solo Jin'do with kiting him....that's the only way that i found...By the way, can i add some screenshot pictures in my reply?
Last edited by sharpshooter : 04/05/09 at 7:07 PM.
Reason: for more
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04/08/09, 4:18 AM
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#122
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Pijn
Yep had same experiences in MgT and Kara; first boss MgT easy, 2nd boss MgT a challenge but doable, 3rd one is not really doable solo (yet...). Attumen might be doable next patch with the buffs.
Update on ZG: did first clear today, including bat boss which is trivial once drained, and Jindo too (had to dismiss pet, i need to learn to think out of the box i guess :P )
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YouTube - Hunter solo's Heroic Magisters Terrace ( H MGT ) - this vid is of when i first started doing it (as you can see i messed up some on the 3rd boss) and obv. screwing up and not putting on my t5 for kael lol....but yeah its doable just slightly hard at times :P.
but 3.1 is gana be very nice. opening up two stable slots for me personaly, i've been on the PTR last few days attempting gaar, i've gotten so close so many times to getting the adds down (prob getting them to 10-15% each) then pet dies  , but i bet once we are in t8 shouldnt be much of an issue, specialy when my mend pet ticks are going for 2490 haha.
also got a few more vid's up there, but ill prob be making alot more once patch hits see what else we can get done solo  !
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04/08/09, 7:34 AM
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Hunter
Doomhammer (EU)
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Originally Posted by Cex
YouTube - Hunter solo's Heroic Magisters Terrace ( H MGT ) - this vid is of when i first started doing it (as you can see i messed up some on the 3rd boss) and obv. screwing up and not putting on my t5 for kael lol....but yeah its doable just slightly hard at times :P.
but 3.1 is gana be very nice. opening up two stable slots for me personaly, i've been on the PTR last few days attempting gaar, i've gotten so close so many times to getting the adds down (prob getting them to 10-15% each) then pet dies  , but i bet once we are in t8 shouldnt be much of an issue, specialy when my mend pet ticks are going for 2490 haha.
also got a few more vid's up there, but ill prob be making alot more once patch hits see what else we can get done solo  !
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I reckon that third boss fight, priestess Delrissa, is also a bit luck dependant. The combination of adds is really important naturally (rogue and warrior hurt, even at 80, where as the caster adds are fairly trivial). For this reason i can sometimes solo her, and sometimes ill wipe over and over again.
Kaelthas himself is a joke as long as you nuke him to 50% which shouldnt be hard (50k pyroblasts arent lovely).
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04/08/09, 7:40 AM
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#124
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Piston Honda
Tauren Druid
Gorgonnash (EU)
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Originally Posted by Pijn
I reckon that third boss fight, priestess Delrissa, is also a bit luck dependant. The combination of adds is really important naturally (rogue and warrior hurt, even at 80, where as the caster adds are fairly trivial). For this reason i can sometimes solo her, and sometimes ill wipe over and over again.
Kaelthas himself is a joke as long as you nuke him to 50% which shouldnt be hard (50k pyroblasts arent lovely).
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Remember, you can see which Adds are there before killing the first boss (if I remember correctly on the bride, left hand side). If you get a combo you know you can't beat you can run out and reset the whole thing!
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Wash the spears . . .
. . . while the sun climbs high.
Wash the spears . . .
. . . while the sun falls low.
Wash the spears . . .
. . . who fears to die?
Wash the spears . . .
. . . no one I know!
- Aiel chant
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04/08/09, 10:05 AM
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#125
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Pijn
Kaelthas himself is a joke as long as you nuke him to 50% which shouldnt be hard (50k pyroblasts arent lovely).
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From watching the video, it doesn't look like getting him to 50% is much of an issue, but even if you didn't get there, couldn't you just use deterrence?
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