Hunters: Soloing old instances for fun and profit - Page 64

Onin · 01/15/12, 7:49 AM

I respecced BM, found myself a Ghostcrawler, and killed Twin Emperors as well.

Turns out my first suspicion is correct: Targeting Vek'lor is a bad idea unless you have nothing else to use anyway. Spamming Cobra Shot I could barely even touch their HP bar, whereas spamming Steady Shot gave enough damage to get them down. So basically, maximizing DPS on Vek'nilash is more important than maximizing DPS on Vek'lor, although in the end you want both to take as much damage as possible.

Now I can finally attempt C'thun again ¦3

Chaser · 01/15/12, 8:09 AM

Originally Posted by Onin

I respecced BM, found myself a Ghostcrawler, and killed Twin Emperors as well.

Turns out my first suspicion is correct: Targeting Vek'lor is a bad idea unless you have nothing else to use anyway. Spamming Cobra Shot I could barely even touch their HP bar, whereas spamming Steady Shot gave enough damage to get them down. So basically, maximizing DPS on Vek'nilash is more important than maximizing DPS on Vek'lor, although in the end you want both to take as much damage as possible.

Now I can finally attempt C'thun again ¦3

I did it this way too with steady on melee emp.

But you're saying you tried to do arcane+cobra on magic and kill command+auto on melee and that didn't work ?

Sepultura · 01/15/12, 9:15 AM

Gz for the kills guys

About Cthun, I never tryed him alone but after seeing how a rogue and a dk made him makes me think that probably is easier for us then for those 2 classes with the standart MM spec.

We still can heal with chimera, the Ouro damage and his adds is nothing special and we got the advantage to be ranged and the 2 or 3 seconds we got might be enought to kill one tentacle (of two) needed to down the boss.

Im missing something or this might be a easy boss for us to?

Onin · 01/15/12, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Chaser

I did it this way too with steady on melee emp.

But you're saying you tried to do arcane+cobra on magic and kill command+auto on melee and that didn't work ?

Yes, I did noticably less damage in total using Cobra on Vek'lor. After all the goal of the fight is to kill one of the two Emperors, and Vek'lor heals more, therefore focusing damage on Vek'nilash is better.

I've already done several attempts on C'thun using the Ouro method. The problem is that Ouro teleports you out of the stomach very fast, usually before the tentacles even render, making you unable to attack them. It becomes a majorly chaotic fight of trial and error, and eventually that minor damage from everything hitting you will add up. I think a spirit beast is again optimal for it.

I don't think a legitimate kill is possible, even if you do manage to one-shot the tentacles as Durendil suggested before you cannot reach the teleport pad before getting instantly killed. At least, I doubt C'thun would decide not to kill you during his vulnerable mode. Perhaps a Cardboard Assassin is enough?

Chaser · 01/15/12, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Onin

Yes, I did noticably less damage in total using Cobra on Vek'lor. After all the goal of the fight is to kill one of the two Emperors, and Vek'lor heals more, therefore focusing damage on Vek'nilash is better.

What I don't understand is that when I tried to use a purely physical dmg rotation on the melee emp (KC on CD, steady shot and dump focus with multi), I couldn't kill him before enrage and he was going down way slower than when I dumped my focus with arcane on magic emp.

Something doesn't add up for me about how they share health or share damage taken..there's something I don't understand.

I didn't get the gun from Ouro (again...), so I'll get another chance to check it out next week.

Onin · 01/15/12, 11:11 AM

As far as I understand it goes like this:

1. Whenever one Emperor takes damage, the other Emperor takes an equal amount of damage.
2. Every 2 seconds, both Emperors heal each other for 20k health.
3. Vek'lor has less health than Vek'nilash, but he also takes 25% more healing because of Widow Venom.
4. When one Emperor dies, the other automatically dies too, no matter its current hp.
What we're not sure about is whether this difference in health means that the shared damage is percentage based. I'm inclined to say it isn't, because of point 3 and 4 combined; as suggested, damage on Vek'lor would hurt Vek'nilash more, whereas my experience would disprove that, and the shared death makes it mechanically unnecessary.
So obviously using Multishot as dump rather than Arcane Shot is worse because you're just doing straight-up less DPS.

But you're right that it's odd. If you have the most DPS through magic damage on Vek'lor, then more damage should reflect onto Vek'nilash, and it shouldn't matter. I don't really have a clear answer, and, who knows, I may just have had a bad attempt when I tried with Cobra. I can do further testing next week.

Onin · 01/16/12, 3:30 PM

Small update: Make sure to use a "/target Flesh /cast Arcane Shot" macro or similar, it speeds up the tentacle killing and you really need to kill them as fast as possible. Generally I just give up on the chase after about 10 swallows; the spawn rate of the big tentacles increases as the fight goes on to the point where you're barely able to move at all. It requires significant luck to kill the tentacles before Ouro pulls you out, and you'll have to kill C'thun within the duration of that one Weaken, but it's completely plausible!

Sadly my instance servers are lagging horridly today, otherwise I would probably have had even better news. I got him to 11% before the instance froze for a good 2 minutes >.<

Goldschakal · 01/17/12, 10:43 AM

Killed Twins as Marksman with a cat. DpS was around 23,5k and my itemlevel is 399.
Serpent Sting + Chimera Shot on Vek'lor (aka my focus aka the magic guy) & Widowtoxin, Steadyshot and Aimed Shots at Vel'nilash (aka my target aka the normal guy).

Durendil · 01/17/12, 1:58 PM

Deathbringer Saurfang has been released! Hunters finally triumph over "the Lich King's most powerful death knight". Ah, Icecrown Citadel, so many memories...

Guide at Durendil : Hunter soloing: Deathbringer saurfang down!

I also uploaded a Lady Deathwhisper video.

Onin · 01/17/12, 6:54 PM

C'thun is dead! Arguably the illegitimate way. I didn't Fraps it because my PC isn't the best and I was afraid the lower framerate would reduce my chances. But I have screenshots:

http://i.imgur.com/RoqRh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ae9wU.jpg

Tactics:
Phase 0:
Before the fight, you will need to pull Ouro up to C'thun's room. No problem here, only a slight note that you'll want to dismount as it is possible for him to reset if you go too far away. Just kill any Scarabs that reach you.

Phase 1:
Just kill him. You might need to be careful of his eyebeam if your DPS isn't high enough, but that's simple as cake.

Phase 2:
Your goal is simple, but made as difficult as possible. You need to kill the two Flesh Tentacles inside of his stomach, then defeat C'thun while he is Weakened. To achieve this, you need to be Swallowed; however, being Swallowed makes C'thun instantly kill you after a few seconds due to his wipe mechanics. Therefore we have Ouro to teleport us out. Sadly this means that the majority of the time, we only spend a fraction of a second in the stomach, and simply have to pray for enough time to hit a Flesh Tentacle.
Make sure to have a macro ready along the lines of:
/target Flesh Tentacle
/cast Arcane Shot

Therefore, the real challenge in phase 2 is getting swallowed as often as possible. For this, you need to dispel Stomach Acid, by running into the center of C'thun's hitbox. You'll get knocked back, and soon enough Swallowed again for another chance.

To make matters worse, you'll be taking constant damage from Avid, Mind Flays, Ouro's scarabs, and big tentacles. Make sure to dispel any Hamstrings you're afflicted with and AoE down any Scarabs, but otherwise I'd advise to ignore any other adds and focus purely on dispelling as often as possible. The spawn rate of the tentacles increases as the fight drags on, and they will eventually kill either you or your pet, if you don't get him down fast enough.

Once you've got a lucky break and kill both tentacles, simply pop all cooldowns and get him down. You will NOT get a second chance, so make it count!

Side note: Legitimate kills of C'thun are impossible. There is no situation in which C'thun will not kill you inside the stomach. You cannot reach the teleport pad fast enough, no abilities will save you, and neither will managing to kill the Flesh Tentacles. You cannot prevent being swallowed, either.

Side note 2: I've noticed my World MS increasing substantially after attempting these C'thun kills. I'm thinking the exploit puts some kind of strain on the server somehow, so I'd advise not to power too many attempts in a row, give it a soft reset after a few wipes. It's in your own interest as you don't want the instance to freeze on you just as you manage to weaken C'thun, like happened to me >.<

Caribald · 01/18/12, 8:59 PM

Originally Posted by Goldschakal

Killed Twins as Marksman with a cat. DpS was around 23,5k and my itemlevel is 399.
Serpent Sting + Chimera Shot on Vek'lor (aka my focus aka the magic guy) & Widowtoxin, Steadyshot and Aimed Shots at Vel'nilash (aka my target aka the normal guy).

Oh man, stings a bit to not be first then... I just killed them using the exact same strategy (other than that I used a Ravager). I streamed it though and will be uploading to YouTube shortly.

Edit: Youtube upload of solo Twin Emperors: [WoW] Hunter vs Twin Emperors - YouTube

Dragoran · 01/19/12, 10:43 AM

Greetings,

I come here for some advices because I have serious issues with Auriaya.

I can reach the stage without the cats but I take a lot too much damage from feral defender to kill her.
Killing the feral defender is pretty hard to me, he always sticks on me, stuns me and I slowly die...
Best try I kill it twice and Auriaya was at 55%.
How do you deal with it? Do you kill it or let it and dps only the boss?

Furthermore, despite 2 hours of tries, I still don't understand why the two cats sometimes jump at me at the start (destroying my lifepool for the following) and sometimes don't.

I can't see any videos or tips for this fight, if you have one...

Thanks in advance.
Askha

Caribald · 01/20/12, 8:19 AM

Originally Posted by Dragoran

Greetings,

I come here for some advices because I have serious issues with Auriaya.

I can reach the stage without the cats but I take a lot too much damage from feral defender to kill her.
Killing the feral defender is pretty hard to me, he always sticks on me, stuns me and I slowly die...
Best try I kill it twice and Auriaya was at 55%.
How do you deal with it? Do you kill it or let it and dps only the boss?

Furthermore, despite 2 hours of tries, I still don't understand why the two cats sometimes jump at me at the start (destroying my lifepool for the following) and sometimes don't.

I can't see any videos or tips for this fight, if you have one...

Thanks in advance.
Askha

Auriaya took me some time to figure out, but once you do, she's pretty easy. The cats in the beginning always jump you, you'll want to do a line of sight pull with a trap (or you can just shoot at max range and hide right away) with Misdirection up, then go to absolute minimum range where you are still able to shoot the cats. I blow cooldowns once I stabilize and make sure to MD with multi-shot spam (quite a lot of times I would get Auriaya on me from healing aggro). Once cats are dead (hopefully before the first fear) you just make sure to be behind her to avoid sonic screech, interrupt her cast after the fear, and kill Guardian Swarms with a Multi-shot. I deal with the feral defender by actually having it hit me, since you can't tank it really. This will make it jump my pet once it feels like it, giving me time to shoot at it while it's running back to me (kiting works well here, obviously). The hardest part about this phase is just when you get a fear while the Feral Guardian is up, since you'll need to reposition in order not to get hit by Sonic Screech.

Good luck

Dragoran · 01/20/12, 4:23 PM

You sir are my new hero!

I have just killed her a minute ago using the trap trick (on the cats).
I LoSed them standing in the Freya zone; pet takes aggro, MD falls, I cast MD again and multishot.
I just haven't touched the feral defender: I have sticked to Auriaya's back and dps'ed her as much as possible.

Mimiron and Hodir next!

Many thanks Caribald!

EDIT: Mimiron down, pretty easy when I see Auriaya!
EDIT2: And Hodir too!

win5590 · 01/21/12, 2:58 AM

Hello. I'm from korea and like soloing.
I was known that The Illidari Council has a bug, so I can kill.
This is my video of killing the Illidari Council.
The Illidari Council - hunter solo