SimulationCraft for Hunters - Page 3

Lurgllgluh · 06/29/09, 7:45 PM

Originally Posted by Hagen

Great feature, thank you for your good work!

I didn't implement most of it

But thanks.

Originally Posted by Hagen

-ammo isn't loaded/added to the config file (add a default value?)

Armory doesn't tell you what ammo is equipped, unfortunately. Good catch though that we're using "0" as a default. I'll switch that to use the equivalent of Saronite Razorheads by default.

Originally Posted by Hagen

there is no pet family set (add wolf as default?)

It is set. It's just set in the action list. When it does "summon_pet" there, it'll summon a wolf unless you use a summon_pet option to override that.

Originally Posted by Hagen

the armor penetration on my Boots of the Renewed Flight wasn't read correctly (was missing)

Looks like the parser was looking for "armor penetration" instead of "armor penetration rating". I'll fix that.

Thanks for the feedback. I notice that you figured out that to do a realm with a space in the name, you need to use url-escaping on the space (ie simcraft armory=eu,Der%20Mithrilorden,Lunaera or simcraft armory=eu,Der+Mithrilorden,Lunaera )

Mancer · 06/30/09, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by Lurgllgluh

Armory doesn't tell you what ammo is equipped, unfortunately. Good catch though that we're using "0" as a default. I'll switch that to use the equivalent of Saronite Razorheads by default.

It's not shown on the display page, but the XML page source has arrows included as an item with slot="-1".

sjogren · 06/30/09, 2:26 AM

Edit: Ack, delete please, didn't notice there was another page of replies.

Kharthus · 07/02/09, 4:55 AM

Can't get armory import to work. Getting this error:

simcraft armory=us,deathwing,kharthus

@@simcraft: Unknown option/value pair: 'armory' : 'us,deathwing,kharthus'
simcraft: ERROR! Incorrect option format..

Using build 2769.

sjogren · 07/02/09, 6:06 AM

Interesting. Apparently the US armory shows pet specs too while the EU armory doesn't. That's something we should take advantage of in the future, but for now I changed the armory parsing code to not blow up because of it. If you try 2772 or later, it should work now.

Hagen · 07/02/09, 6:13 AM

Hope this isn't fixed yet: Enchanted Tear (prismatic gem +6 all stats) isn't recognized during armory import.

sjogren · 07/02/09, 7:32 AM

Fixed in 2774. Keep 'em coming!

Kharthus · 07/02/09, 9:08 PM

The url for the talent spec isn't correct. Mine was talent-calc.xml?c=hunter, but on the WoW site it's talent-calc.xml?cid=3

dedmonwakeen · 07/02/09, 9:46 PM

Originally Posted by Kharthus

The url for the talent spec isn't correct. Mine was talent-calc.xml?c=hunter, but on the WoW site it's talent-calc.xml?cid=3

For those working SVN and living on the ragged edge, this has been fixed in r2775. For everybody else, I should have a new release out Sunday when I return from vacation.

sjogren · 07/17/09, 2:09 PM

For those of you who don't mind building from trunk (living on the ragged edge as dedmon puts it), I've added armory pet parsing and it could use some testing. We still only support cats, wolves, raptors, devilsaurs and wind serpents, but if you've got one of those, you can try it with arguments on the form

simcraft "armory=eu,The+Sha'tar,Xavier" summon_pet=Spot
simcraft "armory=eu,The+Sha'tar,Xavier" summon_pet=Bad

(Spot being the name of my cat, Bad the name of my wolf)

Starfox · 07/19/09, 8:16 PM

Earlier this month I did some testing on CSS and found out that SimCraft had it doubledip from +%dmg talents/buffs, so I fixed that, but in the same move made it not benefit from anything: No +crit. (r2767)
I fixed it today after someone filed a ticket on the issue, sorry for that.

Fixed in r2860, now CS and CSS should have the same crit%, as expected.

Garf · 07/31/09, 8:09 PM

Testing out the armory import, I see that race apparently isn't noted. This matters for racial bonus (e.g. dwarven +1% crit with guns), which would be kinda nice to have for a quick and easy weapon comparison.

Starfox · 08/18/09, 11:51 PM

Updated the hunter profiles with epic gems etc, done with latest revision (r3141)
Hunter_T8_07_57_07_HM: imp.HM+glyph bitch, to show the kind of dps loss commited to the buff

SimulationCraft for World of Warcraft build 3.2.0 ( iterations=9999, max_time=300, optimal_raid=1, smooth_rng=0, spell_crit_suppression=0 )

DPS Ranking:
  31136 100.0%  Raid
   8111  26.0%  Hunter_T8_07_57_07
   8031  25.8%  Hunter_T8_01_15_55
   7839  25.2%  Hunter_T8_07_57_07_HM
   7189  23.1%  Hunter_T8_54_12_05

Player=Hunter_T8_54_12_05 (beast_mastery)  DPS=7188.8 (Error=+/-2.3 Range=+/-440)  DPR=38.3  RS=187.6/151.2  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=13000974
  Race: night_elf
  Core Stats:  strength=81(10)  agility=1342(1156)  stamina=1063(936)  intellect=417(327)  spirit=107(10)  health=17774  mana=11021
  Spell Stats:  power=0(0)  hit=10.03%(263)  crit=21.16%(691)  penetration=0(0)  haste=4.27%(140)  mp5=0
  Attack Stats  power=5054(3145)  hit=8.02%(263)  crit=29.62%(691)  expertise=0.00%(0)  penetration=31.10%(383)  haste=4.27%(140)
  Defense Stats:  armor=9778(7094)
  Glyphs: bestial_wrath/kill_shot/the_hawk
  Actions:
    arcane_shot    Count= 45.7| 6.5sec  DPE=  3797| 8%  DPET=  2372  DPR=  16.0  pDPS= 579  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2382  Crit= 5382| 6619|47.2%
    kill_shot      Count=  6.0| 9.6sec  DPE= 12244| 3%  DPET=  7556  DPR=  37.0  pDPS= 245  Miss=0.0%  Hit=7662  Crit=17305|20643|47.5%
    multi_shot     Count= 23.2|12.9sec  DPE=  3944| 4%  DPET=  2392  DPR=   9.1  pDPS= 305  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2484  Crit= 5597| 6515|46.9%
    ranged         Count=184.4| 1.6sec  DPE=  3232|28%  DPET=  1993  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1989  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2151  Crit= 4449| 5467|47.0%
    serpent_sting  Count= 19.2|15.9sec  DPE=  3876| 3%  DPET=  2393  DPR=   9.2  pDPS= 248  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=94  Tick=793
    steady_shot    Count= 90.9| 3.2sec  DPE=  2550|11%  DPET=  1657  DPR=  10.6  pDPS= 774  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1603  Crit= 3620| 4284|46.9%
   wolf  (DPS=3048.3)
    bite           Count=182.3| 1.7sec  DPE=  1594|13%  DPET=   966  DPR=  63.8  pDPS= 970  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 977  Crit= 1990| 4985|60.9%
    melee          Count=389.5| 0.8sec  DPE=  1599|29%  DPET=  2079  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=2079  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1276  Crit= 2551| 4473|31.3%  Glance= 957|24.0%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/mark_of_the_wild
  Dynamic Buffs:
    beast_within            : start=5.0   refresh=0.0    interval=71.1   uptime=29%  benefit=28%
    call_of_the_wild        : start=2.0   refresh=0.0    interval=211.2  uptime= 7%  benefit= 7%
    cobra_strikes           : start=29.4  refresh=10.8   interval=10.0   uptime=30%  benefit=41%  trigger=60%
    dark_matter             : start=6.4   refresh=0.0    interval=49.9   uptime=21%  trigger=15%
    darkmoon_card_greatness : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval=46.8   uptime=34%  trigger=35%
  Up-Times:
      3.7% : aspect_of_the_viper           
     99.1% : frenzy                        
     73.7% : furious_howl                  
     51.4% : improved_aspect_of_the_hawk   
      6.3% : rapid_fire                    
    100.0% : replenishment                 
     19.8% : tier8_4pc                     
  Procs:
    161.2 |   1.85sec : judgement_of_wisdom
      4.0 |  71.02sec : tier8_4pc
  Gains:
     6540.6 : blessing_of_wisdom  
    13361.0 : initial_mana        
     7420.6 : invigoration        
    16264.2 : judgement_of_wisdom 
     8002.6 : replenishment       
     1985.9 : viper_aspect_passive
     5078.8 : viper_aspect_shot   

Player=Hunter_T8_07_57_07 (marksmanship)  DPS=8110.7 (Error=+/-3.6 Range=+/-631)  DPR=45.9  RS=176.7/144.3  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=13001144
  Race: night_elf
  Core Stats:  strength=81(10)  agility=1587(1340)  stamina=1095(968)  intellect=427(321)  spirit=107(10)  health=18094  mana=11171
  Spell Stats:  power=0(0)  hit=9.15%(240)  crit=24.77%(854)  penetration=0(0)  haste=0.00%(0)  mp5=0
  Attack Stats  power=4611(2447)  hit=7.32%(240)  crit=36.11%(854)  expertise=0.00%(0)  penetration=46.12%(568)  haste=0.00%(0)
  Defense Stats:  armor=9977(6803)
  Glyphs: serpent_sting/steady_shot/chimera_shot
  Actions:
    aimed_shot       Count= 28.4|10.6sec  DPE=  6790| 8%  DPET=  4245  DPR=  23.5  pDPS= 643  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3315  Crit= 8292|11693|69.8%
    chimera_serpent  Count= 32.1| 9.4sec  DPE=  3939| 5%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 422  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2441  Crit= 5033| 5338|57.8%
    chimera_shot     Count= 32.1| 9.4sec  DPE=  7372|10%  DPET=  4617  DPR=  17.1  pDPS= 790  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3977  Crit= 9882|11726|57.5%
    kill_shot        Count=  4.0|16.0sec  DPE= 16650| 3%  DPET= 10353  DPR=  47.1  pDPS= 221  Miss=0.0%  Hit=8953  Crit=22310|28671|57.6%
    piercing_shots   Count=  0.0| 0.0sec  DPE=     1|11%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 911  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=245  Tick=1117
    ranged           Count=150.4| 2.0sec  DPE=  3933|24%  DPET=  1979  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1974  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2431  Crit= 5037| 6490|57.6%
    serpent_sting    Count=  1.0| 0.0sec  DPE= 92249| 4%  DPET= 55908  DPR= 203.1  pDPS= 308  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=100  Tick=927
    silencing_shot   Count= 16.3|18.7sec  DPE=  2207| 1%  DPET=     1  DPR=   7.3  pDPS= 120  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1224  Crit= 2928| 3747|57.7%
    steady_shot      Count=118.8| 2.4sec  DPE=  3889|19%  DPET=  2394  DPR=  20.6  pDPS=1542  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2031  Crit= 5064| 6425|61.3%
    wild_quiver      Count= 18.1|15.8sec  DPE=  3940| 3%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 238  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2442  Crit= 5035| 5410|57.8%
   wolf  (DPS=942.7)
    bite             Count=182.3| 1.7sec  DPE=   604| 5%  DPET=   366  DPR=  24.2  pDPS= 367  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 482  Crit= 1012| 1868|23.5%  Dodge=0.6%
    melee            Count=250.1| 1.2sec  DPE=   689| 7%  DPET=   575  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 575  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 600  Crit= 1201| 1609|21.3%  Glance= 450|24.0%  Dodge=0.6%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/mark_of_the_wild
  Dynamic Buffs:
    call_of_the_wild  : start=1.5   refresh=0.0    interval=300.3  uptime= 4%  benefit= 4%
    dark_matter       : start=6.5   refresh=0.0    interval=49.6   uptime=21%  trigger=15%
    mjolnir_runestone : start=6.5   refresh=0.0    interval=49.6   uptime=21%  trigger=15%
  Up-Times:
      0.0% : aspect_of_the_viper           
     51.3% : furious_howl                  
     46.3% : improved_aspect_of_the_hawk   
     25.1% : improved_steady_shot          
     22.4% : rapid_fire                    
    100.0% : replenishment                 
  Procs:
    199.4 |   1.62sec : judgement_of_wisdom
     18.1 |  15.76sec : wild_quiver
  Gains:
     6391.0 : blessing_of_wisdom    (overflow=2.3%)
    13601.0 : initial_mana        
    19824.9 : judgement_of_wisdom   (overflow=1.5%)
     9053.2 : rapid_recuperation    (overflow=16.8%)
     7976.9 : replenishment         (overflow=2.1%)
        0.5 : viper_aspect_passive
        1.2 : viper_aspect_shot   

Player=Hunter_T8_07_57_07_HM (marksmanship)  DPS=7839.0 (Error=+/-3.5 Range=+/-756)  DPR=44.4  RS=176.7/144.3  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=13630091
  Race: night_elf
  Core Stats:  strength=81(10)  agility=1576(1330)  stamina=1095(968)  intellect=427(321)  spirit=107(10)  health=18094  mana=11171
  Spell Stats:  power=0(0)  hit=9.91%(260)  crit=24.55%(844)  penetration=0(0)  haste=0.00%(0)  mp5=0
  Attack Stats  power=4600(2447)  hit=7.93%(260)  crit=35.76%(844)  expertise=0.00%(0)  penetration=46.12%(568)  haste=0.00%(0)
  Defense Stats:  armor=9955(6803)
  Glyphs: serpent_sting/chimera_shot/hunters_mark
  Actions:
    aimed_shot       Count= 28.4|10.6sec  DPE=  6363| 8%  DPET=  3979  DPR=  22.0  pDPS= 603  Miss=0.1%  Hit=3313  Crit= 8289|11682|61.4%
    chimera_serpent  Count= 32.1| 9.4sec  DPE=  3929| 5%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 421  Miss=0.1%  Hit=2439  Crit= 5029| 5334|57.6%
    chimera_shot     Count= 32.1| 9.4sec  DPE=  7351|10%  DPET=  4604  DPR=  17.1  pDPS= 788  Miss=0.1%  Hit=3972  Crit= 9871|11713|57.3%
    kill_shot        Count=  4.0|16.0sec  DPE= 16644| 3%  DPET= 10349  DPR=  47.1  pDPS= 221  Miss=0.1%  Hit=8946  Crit=22286|28639|57.8%
    piercing_shots   Count=  0.0| 0.0sec  DPE=     1|11%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 839  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=245  Tick=1027
    ranged           Count=150.4| 2.0sec  DPE=  3915|25%  DPET=  1970  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1965  Miss=0.1%  Hit=2429  Crit= 5031| 6483|57.2%
    serpent_sting    Count=  1.0|154.9sec  DPE= 91537| 4%  DPET= 55490  DPR= 201.6  pDPS= 308  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=100  Tick=926
    silencing_shot   Count= 16.3|18.7sec  DPE=  2197| 2%  DPET=     1  DPR=   7.3  pDPS= 119  Miss=0.1%  Hit=1222  Crit= 2926| 3743|57.2%
    steady_shot      Count=118.8| 2.4sec  DPE=  3520|18%  DPET=  2167  DPR=  18.6  pDPS=1395  Miss=0.1%  Hit=1845  Crit= 4600| 5837|60.8%
    wild_quiver      Count= 18.0|15.8sec  DPE=  3928| 3%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 236  Miss=0.1%  Hit=2440  Crit= 5030| 5404|57.5%
   wolf  (DPS=945.9)
    bite             Count=182.3| 1.7sec  DPE=   606| 5%  DPET=   367  DPR=  24.3  pDPS= 369  Miss=0.1%  Hit= 482  Crit= 1012| 1867|23.6%  Dodge=0.1%
    melee            Count=250.1| 1.2sec  DPE=   691| 7%  DPET=   577  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 577  Miss=0.1%  Hit= 600  Crit= 1200| 1608|21.3%  Glance= 450|24.0%  Dodge=0.1%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/mark_of_the_wild
  Dynamic Buffs:
    call_of_the_wild  : start=1.5   refresh=0.0    interval=300.3  uptime= 4%  benefit= 4%
    dark_matter       : start=6.5   refresh=0.0    interval=49.6   uptime=21%  trigger=15%
    mjolnir_runestone : start=6.5   refresh=0.0    interval=49.6   uptime=21%  trigger=15%
  Up-Times:
      0.0% : aspect_of_the_viper           
     51.3% : furious_howl                  
     46.3% : improved_aspect_of_the_hawk   
     25.0% : improved_steady_shot          
     22.4% : rapid_fire                    
    100.0% : replenishment                 
  Procs:
    199.2 |   1.62sec : judgement_of_wisdom
     18.0 |  15.84sec : wild_quiver
  Gains:
     6391.6 : blessing_of_wisdom    (overflow=2.3%)
    13601.0 : initial_mana        
    19813.6 : judgement_of_wisdom   (overflow=1.5%)
     9057.2 : rapid_recuperation    (overflow=16.8%)
     7978.0 : replenishment         (overflow=2.1%)
        0.3 : viper_aspect_passive
        1.0 : viper_aspect_shot   

Player=Hunter_T8_01_15_55 (survival)  DPS=8031.3 (Error=+/-2.9 Range=+/-545)  DPR=43.2  RS=185.8/164.9  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=13001196
  Race: night_elf
  Core Stats:  strength=81(10)  agility=1907(1456)  stamina=1169(936)  intellect=417(327)  spirit=107(10)  health=18834  mana=11021
  Spell Stats:  power=0(0)  hit=9.80%(257)  crit=21.16%(691)  penetration=0(0)  haste=4.27%(140)  mp5=0
  Attack Stats  power=5450(2625)  hit=7.84%(257)  crit=36.40%(691)  expertise=0.00%(0)  penetration=31.10%(383)  haste=4.27%(140)
  Defense Stats:  armor=10908(7094)
  Glyphs: kill_shot/serpent_sting/explosive_shot
  Actions:
    aimed_shot      Count= 23.4|12.8sec  DPE=  5717| 6%  DPET=  3488  DPR=  14.2  pDPS= 447  Miss=0.1%  Hit=2990  Crit= 7137| 8143|65.9%
    black_arrow     Count= 12.0|25.8sec  DPE=  6386| 3%  DPET=  3889  DPR=  21.1  pDPS= 256  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=59  Tick=1300
    explosive_shot  Count= 52.8| 5.7sec  DPE= 15265|33%  DPET=  9537  DPR=  57.3  pDPS=2687  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=157  Tick=2527  CritTick=6039|7176|73.7%
    kill_shot       Count=  6.0| 9.7sec  DPE= 18957| 5%  DPET= 11640  DPR=  53.7  pDPS= 379  Miss=0.2%  Hit=8922  Crit=21298|25447|81.2%
    ranged          Count=141.3| 2.1sec  DPE=  4130|24%  DPET=  1951  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1947  Miss=0.2%  Hit=2430  Crit= 5027| 5905|65.6%
    serpent_sting   Count= 13.7|22.6sec  DPE=  5700| 3%  DPET=  3490  DPR=  12.6  pDPS= 260  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=91  Tick=853
    steady_shot     Count= 76.2| 3.8sec  DPE=  3625|11%  DPET=  2194  DPR=  14.4  pDPS= 921  Miss=0.2%  Hit=1859  Crit= 4432| 5026|68.7%
   wolf  (DPS=1135.7)
    bite            Count=182.3| 1.7sec  DPE=   689| 5%  DPET=   418  DPR=  27.6  pDPS= 419  Miss=0.2%  Hit= 570  Crit= 1140| 2059|21.2%  Dodge=0.1%
    melee           Count=250.1| 1.2sec  DPE=   858| 9%  DPET=   717  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 716  Miss=0.2%  Hit= 746  Crit= 1491| 2071|21.3%  Glance= 559|24.0%  Dodge=0.1%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/mark_of_the_wild
  Dynamic Buffs:
    call_of_the_wild        : start=1.5   refresh=0.0    interval=300.3  uptime= 4%  benefit= 4%
    dark_matter             : start=6.7   refresh=0.0    interval=48.8   uptime=22%  trigger=15%
    darkmoon_card_greatness : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval=46.4   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
  Up-Times:
      0.0% : aspect_of_the_viper           
     99.0% : expose_weakness               
     51.2% : furious_howl                  
     42.7% : improved_aspect_of_the_hawk   
     71.5% : master_tactician              
      5.9% : rapid_fire                    
    100.0% : replenishment                 
     18.7% : tier8_4pc                     
  Procs:
    263.8 |   1.20sec : judgement_of_wisdom
      4.4 |  59.55sec : lock_and_load
      3.7 |  74.07sec : tier8_4pc
  Gains:
     6504.3 : blessing_of_wisdom    
    13361.0 : initial_mana          
    26479.6 : judgement_of_wisdom   
     7962.1 : replenishment         
        0.0 : spirit_intellect_regen
     8461.5 : thrill_of_the_hunt    
        0.4 : viper_aspect_passive  
        1.5 : viper_aspect_shot     

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: blood_frenzy/earth_and_moon/faerie_fire/improved_faerie_fire/improved_moonkin/improved_scorch/improved_shadow_bolt/mangle/moonkin/rampage
  Constant: trauma/winters_chill
  Dynamic:

Waiting:
     0.0% : Hunter_T8_54_12_05

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 72659207
  MaxEventQueue = 69
  TargetHealth  = 9338230
  SimSeconds    = 2999938
  CpuSeconds    = 133.016
  SpeedUp       = 22553

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=1.000152 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000000

Hunter_T8_01_15_55 (Suvival)

#!simcraft

hunter=Hunter_T8_01_15_55
origin=http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=13001196
level=80
race=night_elf
talents=http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=3&tal=100000000000000000000000000053051010000000000000000005000032500033330532135301311
glyphs=kill_shot/serpent_sting/explosive_shot
actions=flask,type=endless_rage
actions+=/food,type=blackened_dragonfin
actions+=/hunters_mark
actions+=/summon_pet
actions+=/auto_shot
actions+=/aspect
actions+=/rapid_fire
actions+=/kill_shot
actions+=/kill_command
actions+=/explosive_shot
actions+=/black_arrow
actions+=/serpent_sting
actions+=/aimed_shot
actions+=/steady_shot
head=conquerors_scourgestalker_headpiece,stats=1067armor_196ap_59crit_50arpen_82agi_81sta_49int,gems=relentless_earthsiege_20agi_16ap,enchant=50ap_20crit
neck=pendulum_of_infinity,stats=86ap_48crit_41haste_64agi_70sta,gems=10agi_15sta_4agi
shoulders=conquerors_scourgestalker_spaulders,stats=985armor_138ap_43hit_51haste_65agi_50sta_44int,gems=20agi_4haste,enchant=40ap_15crit
chest=conquerors_scourgestalker_tunic,stats=1314armor_194ap_57hit_59crit_86agi_65sta_60int,gems=20agi_20agi,enchant=10str_10agi_10sta_10int_10spi
waist=belt_of_the_betrayed,stats=739armor_170ap_44crit_56arpen_57agi_67sta_43int,gems=20agi
legs=legguards_of_cunning_deception,stats=533armor_152ap_78crit_66arpen_112agi_127sta,gems=20agi_20agi_20agi,enchant=75ap_22crit
feet=boots_of_the_renewed_flight,stats=903armor_122ap_50crit_37arpen_88agi_60sta_44int,gems=16agi,enchant=12crit_12hit
wrists=frostbound_chain_bracers,stats=575armor_126ap_33hit_36crit_46agi_49sta_33int,gems=20agi,enchant=130ap
hands=conquerors_scourgestalker_handguards,stats=821armor_170ap_43hit_44haste_49agi_66sta_44int,gems=20agi_4agi,enchant=44ap
finger1=band_of_lights,stats=98ap_46hit_31arpen_57agi_39sta,gems=20agi_4agi,enchant=40ap
finger2=branns_signet_ring,stats=96ap_43crit_33arpen_64agi_61sta,gems=20agi,enchant=40ap
trinket1=dark_matter,stats=222ap,equip=onattackhit_612crit_15%_10dur_45cd
trinket2=darkmoon_card_greatness,stats=90agi
back=drape_of_the_faceless_general,stats=157armor_92ap_40crit_30arpen_69agi_31sta,gems=20agi_10crit_10agi_6agi,enchant=22agi
main_hand=lotrafen_spear_of_the_damned,stats=160ap_87crit_80arpen_120agi_105sta,enchant=110ap,weapon=polearm_3.40speed_232.5dps
ranged=skyforge_crossbow,stats=58ap_23hit_28crit_40agi_40sta,enchant=40crit,weapon=crossbow_2.80speed_200.4dps
# Gear Summary
# gear_strength=10
# gear_agility=1456
# gear_stamina=936
# gear_intellect=327
# gear_spirit=10
# gear_attack_power=2625
# gear_armor_penetration_rating=383
# gear_hit_rating=257
# gear_crit_rating=691
# gear_haste_rating=140
# gear_armor=7094
# meta_gem=relentless_earthsiege
# tier8_2pc=1
# tier8_4pc=1
# trinket2=darkmoon_card_greatness
# main_hand=lotrafen_spear_of_the_damned,weapon=polearm_3.40speed_232.5dps
# ranged=skyforge_crossbow,weapon=crossbow_2.80speed_200.4dps
ammo_dps=67.50

Hunter_T8_07_57_07 (Marksman)

#!simcraft

hunter=Hunter_T8_07_57_07
origin=http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=13001144
level=80
race=night_elf
talents=http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=3&tal=502000000000000000000000000153051012300132331352313515000002
glyphs=serpent_sting/steady_shot/chimera_shot
actions=flask,type=endless_rage
actions+=/food,type=blackened_dragonfin
actions+=/hunters_mark
actions+=/summon_pet
actions+=/trueshot_aura
actions+=/auto_shot
actions+=/aspect
actions+=/serpent_sting
actions+=/rapid_fire
actions+=/kill_command
actions+=/silencing_shot
actions+=/chimera_shot
actions+=/kill_shot
actions+=/aimed_shot
actions+=/readiness,wait_for_rapid_fire=1
actions+=/steady_shot
head=conquerors_scourgestalker_headpiece,stats=1067armor_196ap_59crit_50arpen_82agi_81sta_49int,gems=relentless_earthsiege_20arpen_16ap,enchant=50ap_20crit
neck=broach_of_the_wailing_night,stats=84ap_36crit_46arpen_63agi_69sta
shoulders=mantle_of_fiery_vengeance,stats=985armor_108ap_56crit_41arpen_57agi_63sta_65int,gems=20arpen,enchant=40ap_15crit
chest=conquerors_scourgestalker_tunic,stats=1314armor_194ap_57hit_59crit_86agi_65sta_60int,gems=20agi_10agi_15sta_6hit,enchant=10str_10agi_10sta_10int_10spi
waist=belt_of_the_betrayed,stats=739armor_170ap_44crit_56arpen_57agi_67sta_43int,gems=20agi
legs=legguards_of_cunning_deception,stats=533armor_152ap_78crit_66arpen_112agi_127sta,gems=20agi_20agi_20agi,enchant=75ap_22crit
feet=boots_of_living_scale,stats=903armor_138ap_48crit_45arpen_48agi_66sta_45int,gems=20agi_20agi,enchant=12crit_12hit
wrists=fluxing_energy_coils,stats=259armor_72ap_46hit_30arpen_63agi_54sta,gems=20agi,enchant=130ap
hands=gloves_of_the_steady_hand,stats=846armor_106ap_50hit_55crit_79agi_75sta_49int,gems=20agi_20agi,enchant=20agi
finger1=band_of_lights,stats=98ap_46hit_31arpen_57agi_39sta,gems=20agi_4agi,enchant=40ap
finger2=branns_signet_ring,stats=96ap_43crit_33arpen_64agi_61sta,gems=20agi,enchant=40ap
trinket1=dark_matter,stats=222ap,equip=onattackhit_612crit_15%_10dur_45cd
trinket2=mjolnir_runestone,stats=102crit,equip=onattackhit_665arpen_15%_10dur_45cd
back=drape_of_the_faceless_general,stats=157armor_92ap_40crit_30arpen_69agi_31sta,gems=20arpen_10crit_10agi_6agi,enchant=22agi
main_hand=lotrafen_spear_of_the_damned,stats=160ap_87crit_80arpen_120agi_105sta,enchant=110ap,weapon=polearm_3.40speed_232.5dps
ranged=skyforge_crossbow,stats=58ap_23hit_28crit_40agi_40sta,enchant=40crit,weapon=crossbow_2.80speed_200.4dps
# Gear Summary
# gear_strength=10
# gear_agility=1340
# gear_stamina=968
# gear_intellect=321
# gear_spirit=10
# gear_attack_power=2447
# gear_armor_penetration_rating=568
# gear_hit_rating=240
# gear_crit_rating=854
# gear_armor=6803
# meta_gem=relentless_earthsiege
# tier8_2pc=1
# main_hand=lotrafen_spear_of_the_damned,weapon=polearm_3.40speed_232.5dps
# ranged=skyforge_crossbow,weapon=crossbow_2.80speed_200.4dps
ammo_dps=67.50

Hunter_T8_07_57_07_HM (Marksman, impHM+glyph bitch)

#!simcraft

hunter=Hunter_T8_07_57_07_HM
origin=http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=13630091
level=80
race=night_elf
talents=http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=3&tal=502000000000000000000000000053351012300132331152313515000002
glyphs=serpent_sting/chimera_shot/hunters_mark
actions=flask,type=endless_rage
actions+=/food,type=blackened_dragonfin
actions+=/hunters_mark
actions+=/summon_pet
actions+=/trueshot_aura
actions+=/auto_shot
actions+=/aspect
actions+=/serpent_sting
actions+=/rapid_fire
actions+=/kill_command
actions+=/silencing_shot
actions+=/chimera_shot
actions+=/kill_shot
actions+=/aimed_shot
actions+=/readiness,wait_for_rapid_fire=1
actions+=/steady_shot
head=conquerors_scourgestalker_headpiece,stats=1067armor_196ap_59crit_50arpen_82agi_81sta_49int,gems=relentless_earthsiege_20arpen_16ap,enchant=50ap_20crit
neck=broach_of_the_wailing_night,stats=84ap_36crit_46arpen_63agi_69sta
shoulders=mantle_of_fiery_vengeance,stats=985armor_108ap_56crit_41arpen_57agi_63sta_65int,gems=20arpen,enchant=40ap_15crit
chest=conquerors_scourgestalker_tunic,stats=1314armor_194ap_57hit_59crit_86agi_65sta_60int,gems=20agi_10agi_15sta_6hit,enchant=10str_10agi_10sta_10int_10spi
waist=belt_of_the_betrayed,stats=739armor_170ap_44crit_56arpen_57agi_67sta_43int,gems=20agi
legs=legguards_of_cunning_deception,stats=533armor_152ap_78crit_66arpen_112agi_127sta,gems=20agi_20agi_20agi,enchant=75ap_22crit
feet=boots_of_living_scale,stats=903armor_138ap_48crit_45arpen_48agi_66sta_45int,gems=20agi_20agi,enchant=12crit_12hit
wrists=fluxing_energy_coils,stats=259armor_72ap_46hit_30arpen_63agi_54sta,gems=20agi,enchant=130ap
hands=gloves_of_the_steady_hand,stats=846armor_106ap_50hit_55crit_79agi_75sta_49int,gems=20agi_20agi,enchant=20agi
finger1=band_of_lights,stats=98ap_46hit_31arpen_57agi_39sta,gems=20agi_4agi,enchant=40ap
finger2=branns_signet_ring,stats=96ap_43crit_33arpen_64agi_61sta,gems=20agi,enchant=40ap
trinket1=dark_matter,stats=222ap,equip=onattackhit_612crit_15%_10dur_45cd
trinket2=mjolnir_runestone,stats=102crit,equip=onattackhit_665arpen_15%_10dur_45cd
back=drape_of_the_faceless_general,stats=157armor_92ap_40crit_30arpen_69agi_31sta,gems=20arpen_20hit_6agi,enchant=22agi
main_hand=lotrafen_spear_of_the_damned,stats=160ap_87crit_80arpen_120agi_105sta,enchant=110ap,weapon=polearm_3.40speed_232.5dps
ranged=skyforge_crossbow,stats=58ap_23hit_28crit_40agi_40sta,enchant=40crit,weapon=crossbow_2.80speed_200.4dps
# Gear Summary
# gear_strength=10
# gear_agility=1330
# gear_stamina=968
# gear_intellect=321
# gear_spirit=10
# gear_attack_power=2447
# gear_armor_penetration_rating=568
# gear_hit_rating=260
# gear_crit_rating=844
# gear_armor=6803
# meta_gem=relentless_earthsiege
# tier8_2pc=1
# main_hand=lotrafen_spear_of_the_damned,weapon=polearm_3.40speed_232.5dps
# ranged=skyforge_crossbow,weapon=crossbow_2.80speed_200.4dps
ammo_dps=67.50

Hunter_T8_54_12_05 (Beastmaster)

#!simcraft

hunter=Hunter_T8_54_12_05
origin=http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=13000974
level=80
race=night_elf
talents=http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=3&tal=512002015051122431015313510053031000000000000000000005
glyphs=bestial_wrath/kill_shot/the_hawk
actions=flask,type=endless_rage
actions+=/food,type=blackened_dragonfin
actions+=/hunters_mark
actions+=/summon_pet
actions+=/auto_shot
actions+=/kill_command,sync=bestial_wrath
actions+=/bestial_wrath
actions+=/aspect
actions+=/rapid_fire
actions+=/kill_shot
actions+=/serpent_sting
actions+=/arcane_shot
actions+=/multi_shot
actions+=/steady_shot
head=conquerors_scourgestalker_headpiece,stats=1067armor_196ap_59crit_50arpen_82agi_81sta_49int,gems=relentless_earthsiege_40ap_16ap,enchant=50ap_20crit
neck=pendulum_of_infinity,stats=86ap_48crit_41haste_64agi_70sta,gems=40ap
shoulders=conquerors_scourgestalker_spaulders,stats=985armor_138ap_43hit_51haste_65agi_50sta_44int,gems=40ap_4haste,enchant=40ap_15crit
chest=conquerors_scourgestalker_tunic,stats=1314armor_194ap_57hit_59crit_86agi_65sta_60int,gems=40ap_20ap_15sta_6hit,enchant=10str_10agi_10sta_10int_10spi
waist=belt_of_the_betrayed,stats=739armor_170ap_44crit_56arpen_57agi_67sta_43int,gems=40ap
legs=legguards_of_cunning_deception,stats=533armor_152ap_78crit_66arpen_112agi_127sta,gems=40ap_40ap_40ap,enchant=75ap_22crit
feet=boots_of_the_renewed_flight,stats=903armor_122ap_50crit_37arpen_88agi_60sta_44int,enchant=12crit_12hit
wrists=frostbound_chain_bracers,stats=575armor_126ap_33hit_36crit_46agi_49sta_33int,enchant=130ap
hands=conquerors_scourgestalker_handguards,stats=821armor_170ap_43hit_44haste_49agi_66sta_44int,gems=40ap_4agi,enchant=44ap
finger1=band_of_lights,stats=98ap_46hit_31arpen_57agi_39sta,gems=40ap_4agi,enchant=40ap
finger2=branns_signet_ring,stats=96ap_43crit_33arpen_64agi_61sta,gems=40ap,enchant=40ap
trinket1=dark_matter,stats=222ap,equip=onattackhit_612crit_15%_10dur_45cd
trinket2=darkmoon_card_greatness,stats=90agi
back=drape_of_the_faceless_general,stats=157armor_92ap_40crit_30arpen_69agi_31sta,gems=40ap_20ap_10crit_6agi,enchant=22agi
main_hand=lotrafen_spear_of_the_damned,stats=160ap_87crit_80arpen_120agi_105sta,enchant=110ap,weapon=polearm_3.40speed_232.5dps
ranged=skyforge_crossbow,stats=58ap_23hit_28crit_40agi_40sta,enchant=40crit,weapon=crossbow_2.80speed_200.4dps
# Gear Summary
# gear_strength=10
# gear_agility=1156
# gear_stamina=936
# gear_intellect=327
# gear_spirit=10
# gear_attack_power=3145
# gear_armor_penetration_rating=383
# gear_hit_rating=263
# gear_crit_rating=691
# gear_haste_rating=140
# gear_armor=7094
# meta_gem=relentless_earthsiege
# tier8_2pc=1
# tier8_4pc=1
# trinket2=darkmoon_card_greatness
# main_hand=lotrafen_spear_of_the_damned,weapon=polearm_3.40speed_232.5dps
# ranged=skyforge_crossbow,weapon=crossbow_2.80speed_200.4dps
ammo_dps=67.50

Hagen · 08/19/09, 3:24 AM

Thanks for your work. I just have two advices regarding the Hunter's Mark spec:
1. It should be better to change chimera shot glyph for hunter's mark (if you really want the glyph at all).
2. It' better to take points out of Improved Steady Shot and maybe one from Rapid Recuperation than to take them from Improved Barrage to skill Improved Hunter's Mark.

Aema · 11/15/09, 6:17 AM

I hate to bump this thread after so little recent interaction with it; however, I've come to a slight dilemma.

The dilemma being that with 3 different ways to compare gear/dps, it's hard to gauge which is the best. Simulationcraft has SV coming out on top while the spreadsheet/web app have MM coming out on top.

In addition to this, different sets of gear bring out different comparisons (i.e. spreadsheet has helm #1 > helm #2 while simulationcraft has helm #2 > helm #1).

I guess the best way to test is to do manual tests on a training dummy and go with real world results rather than tools. But, when building a gear set for the future, one doesn't have access to the gear to test it themselves =/.

sjogren · 11/15/09, 6:39 AM

I'm inclined to believe that if both tools show believable results but disagree, then the difference is smaller than what you'll be able to notice in practice.

Any number of differences in modelling (e.g. lag) will cause discrepancies. Of course, it would be interesting to hunt down modelling differences. Personally I don't have access to Excel, making that rather hard.

♦ arison · 11/15/09, 5:21 PM

I think there are some inaccuracies in the MM model. I've been hoping to spend some time on it and get it in-sync with 3.2.2 before 3.3 comes out. Among other things, it doesn't seem to have weapon damage calculated correctly, which impacts a number of other calculations (which have a bigger impact on MM than SV). MM definitely is low in simulationcraft right now.

sjogren · 11/17/09, 10:28 AM

I fixed a bug that caused chimera-serpent to get the partial resists reduction twice, but after I fixed that I got very similar numbers in the sim and in-game. (Very anecdotal, I only tried one gear set, but I did it without proc trinkets and with a low level gun with low damage range.)

As I said, I don't have access to Excel, but I compared to the numbers on femaledwarf.com and noticed that simc's chimera damage is still lower. I have no idea if that means simc's damage is too low or if femaledwarf's is too high. I also don't know how femaledwarf.com treats partial resists.

Hagen · 11/17/09, 10:58 AM

The scaling of weapon damage is pretty similar between femaledwarf and Simulationcraft (around 8DPS per 1 weapon DPS for me) but the haste scaling is still way off in Simulationcraft (1.4DPS in Simulationcraft vs. 0.7 DPS at femaledwarf).
Has anyone seen similar results or clues to the cause of this?

sjogren · 11/17/09, 12:14 PM

Haste scaling differences can be anything from lag modeling to size of the delta to whether you use a positive or negative delta...

Jìn · 11/19/09, 2:46 PM

Originally Posted by Hagen

The scaling of weapon damage is pretty similar between femaledwarf and Simulationcraft (around 8DPS per 1 weapon DPS for me) but the haste scaling is still way off in Simulationcraft (1.4DPS in Simulationcraft vs. 0.7 DPS at femaledwarf).
Has anyone seen similar results or clues to the cause of this?

Using femaledwarf, you can play around with your time-to-wait (for CD on a higher damage shot instead of steady) and latency to get widely varying values for haste. I believe default is 0.8 @ 150ms. I've seen the odd cases where femaledwarf even suggests haste over agility depending on your settings, at which point I just readjust my time-to-wait.

I'm not entirely sure how SimCraft handles that.

dedmonwakeen · 11/22/09, 11:14 PM

The wiki pages have been overhauled to provide information similar to the GUI html output.

alienangel · 12/19/09, 10:14 PM

Reproducing a bit of PM conversation we've been having, since Deadmon pointed it out it would be useful to have in public:

Originally Posted by dedmonwakeen

Originally Posted by alienangel

Hi,

I've been trying to tweak my simcraft profile to do the following:

- instead of always firing chimera shot and aimed shot back to back, interject some steadyshots between them. Since a normal unconditional priority sequence of chimera->aimed->steady usually results in 4 steadies between each pair of aimed/chimera, the initial thought was to interject 2 steadies between each chimera/aimed pair.

(the ideal behind this is to maximize utilization of Improved Steady Shot procs from the steadyshots, instead of overwriting them by only firing a chimera (or aimed) after 4 steadies in a row).

I've so far been unable to make a conditional action that achieves this behaviour. I can't find any documentation anywhere on what conditions can be used (and how) on the "actions+=/spell" lines. I've tried poking around various source files on the webSVN, but no luck there either. If a good place to look exists (I am reasonably capable of deciphering code, although my C is a bit rusty) it'd be great if you could point me to it, if not, answers to the following questions would be much appreciated:

- is it possible to count in an action conditional whether a particular spell has just been cast (e.g.: spells_n_minus_1=steady_shot, spells_n_minus_2=steady_shot)?

- is it possible to check in an action conditional for hunters what the cooldown on a particular spell is (e.g.: chimera_shot>=7)?

- is it possible to check in an action conditional for hunters what the duration on a non-dot debuff is (e.g.: debuffs.aimed_shot.remaining>=7)?

If one of the above 3 conditionals (ideally the first) can't be made, I think the only way to model what I want would be modifying/adding ready() functions for aimed, chimera and steadyshot to make them want to fire and not want to fire at particular times :/ I hope this isn't the case, since a counter conditional (or even a straight castsequence to use when moving=0) would be much less messy.

Thanks!

I'm afraid the docs are sparse.... and the action conditionals are rather new.

cooldown.chimera_shot.remaining>=7 should work

debuff.something.remaining>=number
buff.something.remaining>=number

dot.name.ticking
dot.name.remaining>=number

However..... We do not model the aimed shot debuff at the moment. And we do not have a "previous spell" function available for conditionals either.

Feel free to ask these questions in the SimulationCraft for Hunters thread. I'd love to breathe some life into it and hopefully improve the Hunter module for you guys.

Now, I did try the quoted conditional for chimera shot, by entering the following actions list:

actions+=/serpent_sting
actions+=/rapid_fire
actions+=/kill_shot
actions+=/kill_command
actions+=/silencing_shot
actions+=/chimera_shot
actions+=/steady_shot,cooldown.chimera_shot.remaining>=7
actions+=/aimed_shot
actions+=/readiness,wait_for_rapid_fire=1
actions+=/steady_shot

I would think that when it hits the first steady shot action, it would fire it for the first 2 gcds after using a chimera, then stop using it since chimera's cooldown would then be less than 7s, at which point it would do an aimed instead, then more steadies until it can fire chimera again. However what actually seems to happen is that it never stops firing steadyshots, and 0 aimed shots get fired :/

I also tried taking out the first steady_shot action and just putting a condition on aimed shot for chimera_shot's cooldown being <7, but the parser likes that even less (likely something about the syntax I'm failing to understand).

edit: In fact, the parser just seems to refuse conditions on aimed_shot: I can stick a "cooldown.chimera_shot.remaining>=7" on a steady_shot action without any complaints (although the sim result isn't what I expect), but if I try the same cooldown condition on an aimed_shot line, I get parse errors such as:

aimed_shot: Unexpected parameter 'cooldown.chimera_shot.remaining>'.
Fafhrd aimed_shot: Unable to parse options str 'cooldown.chimera_shot.remaining>=7'.

dedmonwakeen · 12/20/09, 12:12 AM

Try:

actions+=steady_shot,if=cooldown.chimera_shot.remains<=7

I should have looked at the code instead of responding from memory.

Key differences:
The "option" to the action is "if" which takes an expression, ie: if=((A<B)|(C>D)|!E)
The notation for dot/buff/debuff/cooldown time remaining is ".remains" and not ".remaining"

alienangel · 12/20/09, 10:17 AM

Thanks!

I'd tried it with the =if before, but was still getting the parse error, since the "remains" bit was still wrong.

I still couldn't get a condition on the extra steadyshot line to do what I wanted (adding a "actions+=steady_shot,if=cooldown.chimera_shot.remains>=7" after the chimera_shot action somehow results in no steadies, aims, OR chimeras firing at all, very strange) however putting a condition on aimed shot seems to do what I want:

actions+=/food,type=fish_feast
actions+=/hunters_mark
actions+=/summon_pet
actions+=/trueshot_aura
actions+=/auto_shot
actions+=/snapshot_stats
actions+=/use_item,name=gloves_of_the_silver_assassin
actions+=/aspect
actions+=/kill_shot
actions+=/serpent_sting
actions+=/rapid_fire
actions+=/kill_command
actions+=/silencing_shot
actions+=/chimera_shot
actions+=/aimed_shot,if=cooldown.chimera_shot.remains<=7
actions+=/readiness,wait_for_rapid_fire=1
actions+=/steady_shot

Results in a loss of 15 DPS over the normal sequence, going from 10131dps with no condition to 10115dps with the conditional aimed shot. I see aimed shot's Damage Per Execute going up in the latter run, presumably because of the extra IIS procs it's getting, and Chimera's DPE going down, however the average number of aimed shots fired is going down slightly as well, and the number of steady shots fired is going up slightly - presumably because on the first time through the sequence you delay the first aimed shot.

So if this is right, although the splitting into a 2xSteady-1xSpecial system does seem to increase the average damage of the specials, it's not worth it (at least in my gear) unless you have a much longer fight, or can work into the offset cooldowns without losing any shots you'd have lost anyway.

I think there's also a debug option to get SimCraft to print out the list of actions it's performing, going to try to enable that to confirm it's actually doing the shots as I think it is.