Call me stupid if you like, but I see 6-8% miss in first parse and a slightly higher miss % of 6-9% in the second. From other threads pertaining to FA adjustments on the ptr they stat that in fact pet hit will benefit from FA and from these parses it appears that may be true. Im just lost as to where you see 0% in teh second.

Checked it just now (I'm still logged in as I type) on the PTR, and there's no quiver model present when none is equipped. Are you using Thoridal, perchance?

That was using Arrowsong I'm fairly sure :/

*makes note to hopefully remember when home*

WWS sums up missed, dodged and parried hits in the column "Missed%". In order to see the "real" misses, you have to expand the stats by clicking on the + sign in the upper right corner. Doing so, you will see 0% miss in the first report, and 2.7% miss in the second.

A guildie of mine uses Thoridal the same way you do, to save money on trash. His main weapon is Envoy, so he has an ammo pouch equipped. He's a vein fellow, concerned with his looks and suchlikes, so when I asked him if Thoridal comes with a quiver, he promptly informed me it has an "ugly green one".

It could be they're attaching quivers to models already, which would be interesting. Rhok might just be left by the wayside, but I don't have another bow to test with. I could buy the Bind To Account bow and check, I guess.

You can buy white quality bows from vendors in Dalaran and the other cities I'm fairly sure if you're just looking for a quick test.

I think the first of the parses is the FA talented parse. You have to expand the columns to break down what WWS classifies as 'misses'. In that parse, all 'misses' end up being dodges and parries -- not true misses.

Yes I was eager to see results so I clicked the links checked out the data and just paraphrased the results wrong.

The first parse has 0 misses, with 3/3 FA
The second parse has 2.7% misses with 0/3 FA

Great! I hope that it translates to live. Would be nice to go 3/3 FA.

Glad to see this change to FA. But there's still something that I don't understand in the WWS linked. I would expect that a 3% hit increase would lead to a flat 3% dps increase, which does not seem to be the case (180 and 179 dps respectively).
Am I missing something? Is it just due to RNG?

This is what intrigues me. Rather than ammo, the ability to have specific "relic" types of magic ammo leads to some really nice customization.

Perhaps an ammo that redirects 5% of threat to the pet? Or an ammo that adds fire/frost/nature dmg? The possibilities while not endless are certainly more intriguing than simple dps.

They FINALLY got pet diversity working in a way frankly that I'd hoped for but seriously doubted. Making the ammo into a relic type would be an interesting and to me welcome change to the hunter dynamic.

I screenshotted the stats of all the new gear for anyone curious:

Conqueror's Scourgestalker = T8.5
Valorous Scourgestalker = T8

http://tinyurl.com/newhuntert8

The Snake Trap part just has a typo in it - it's missing the % sign. I tested it out, it's not 90 snakes.

Great work. Think you could run it with 5.9% hit to see if they fixed the issue with pets only getting hit in integer amounts?

Very interesting - new t8 have less stamina (sometimes less agi), but more ap, crit, haste than t7.25.
And t8 bonus - seems improved serpent sting will be must have ?

Serpent sting only does about 250 dps, so improved sting and 2pc only adds about 25dps (~0.4%) per point.
For Marks, chimera shot buffs the effect of t8 2pc by a lot (~70dps per point or well over 1%).
Marks already gets improved serpent sting, but I doubt other specs will get it, even with new T8.

Hmmm not bad at all with those bonusses.

Yeah, like T7 the 2-set is pointed towards a certain spec. I'm not entirely negative about that. It isn't as if it is useless to the others. And MM is still lacking a little, so I'm not bothered. Seems to fit the entire philosophy about sebonusses being nice, but not so nice as to force people to stay with it (Feral T4 anyone?).

The 4-set bonus is interesting. Depending on proc it can actually benefit BM a good deal more than the others. If it is a relatively low proc but short internal CD (if at all *gasp*), then the spec with the relatively most Steadies will benefit the most obviously. On top of that BM gains the most benefit of flat AP. This is like a reversal of the T7 4-set that clearly benefitted the spec with the most mana issues (if they ever found a need for 4 pieces of T7), MM.

So the positions have reversed between BM and MM, while Survival jumps to the middle with a slightly better Serpent Sting scaling than BM (all the +%damage talents and abilities, as well as higher AP overall).

The gear itself. Interesting... very interesting. As noted, a seesaw of Agi, less Stamina, but a lot of Intellect (could we be seeing a potential regen nerf in this? We generally don't need that much Int). The socketbonusses are awesome btw, lots of Hit to gem for if you need it, and easy to sacrifice if that is needed. The other bonusses are almost given, being reds. Good call on that one I would say.
One piece with ArP, the rest with a good mix of Haste, Crit and AP. If the mechanic was like now, it would be better itemized for all specs. After 3.1 it seems a bit muddy. ArP rises in value, and might in fact be better than Haste, making this a relative slight step backwards in itemization.
Not a concern yet, since we have to await a bit more, but it is certainly worth keeping in mind. But I found the set to be more balanced than it is now. There is a better spread of the 'lesser' stats, so we don't get a repeat of T7 gloves it seems.

Black arrow can now be trained up to rank 6

So we have any numbers on the higher ranks? ((checks wowhead))

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Black Arrow Rank 6
6% of base mana 5 - 35 yd range
Instant cast 30 sec cooldown
Requires Ranged Weapon
Fires a Black Arrow at the target, increasing all damage done by you to the target by 6% and dealing [RAP * 0.1 + 2765] Shadow damage over 15 sec.
--

I believe that is no change from rank one. Although I don't have the numbers from the previous build. It looks the same though if I remember right. It however is still clearly head and shoulders above the average damage done by a steady for that global cooldown, so I'm not complaining or anything.

No, rank 1 was a lot less. The reason it looks like what it was before is because rank 6 was datamined some time ago to be that exact damage. So for some time we have already been using that.

Could you imagine getting this ability at level 50? It would be downright insane with a basedamage of 2765.

For the raider that's going to be ~3500 damage every 30 seconds untalented. That's 116dps for only 2 GCDs per minute. With trap mastery you are looking at 150dps and with resourcefulness, even more. Possibly upwards of 190-200dps at the cost of a GCD every 24 seconds. And that's not even factoring in the secondary effects.

Seems like it's going to be quite a boost.

Just checked my spellbook after training rank 6 and assuming the display is correct, it was 4260. Which suggests that [RAP * 0.1 + 3760] could be the actual calculation.

I have 4995 RAP with hawk.