3.1 Upcoming Changes - Page 49

Gutchewa · 03/18/09, 8:03 AM

Originally Posted by Helliox

I recall somebody saying that Focused Aim has been fixed and now gives hit rating to our pets also. Can anyone check this, and if it`s true, is it worth moving 3 points from UF into FA ? It would definitely make reaching hit cap easier.

I ran two quick tests before I go to work on version 9684 of the ptr.

Test1
Spec:http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunt...0&version=9684

Doll Hit Rating: 168
5.1% Hit from gear 3% hit from Focused Aim.
Total Hit: 8.1%

Results:
Wow Web Stats

Test2
Spec:http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunt...0&version=9684

Doll Hit Rating: 168

Total Hit: 5.1%

Results:
Wow Web Stats

Fukasa · 03/18/09, 9:25 AM

Originally Posted by Gutchewa

I ran two quick tests before I go to work on version 9684 of the ptr.

Test1
Spec:http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunt...0&version=9684

Doll Hit Rating: 168

Results:
Wow Web Stats

Test2
Spec:http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunt...0&version=9684

Doll Hit Rating: 168

Results:
Wow Web Stats

For those too lazy to click. 1hr parses of a pet, first with 0% miss, the second with 2.7%

EDIT: Fixed the summary, posting before coffee always bad.

Varelse · 03/18/09, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Dansharpshot

The quivers are attached to the bow, I believe. I've equipped bows without having a quiver equipped, and I still see a quiver on my character's back while shooting, because the animation for shooting with a bow involves your character reaching back and grabbing an arrow.

I just tested this on the current PTR. I grabbed my Rhok from the bank, and some arrows from the vendor and went out to shoot some stuff. With no quiver equipped, none shows up and the animation just looks a little silly.

Now might be a good time to start asking nicely for them to attach the quiver models to the Bow/Crossbow models.

Helliox · 03/18/09, 10:21 AM

Thanks for the replies, seems they have finally fixed FA. This will certainly be a must have for most hunters, since blizzard seems more focused on ArP / haste gear ( or so i remember from the few items i saw on mmo-champ ).

Originally Posted by davejustdave

I think maybe you were referring to BM hunters using AP over Agility?.

No, i was referring to MM, i was under the impression agi is only supperior to ap for SV, and that it`s better to gem for AP for the other 2 speccs. I was going to regem to full agi in Ulduar anyway, but i might as well do it now.

alienangel · 03/18/09, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Varelse

I just tested this on the current PTR. I grabbed my Rhok from the bank, and some arrows from the vendor and went out to shoot some stuff. With no quiver equipped, none shows up and the animation just looks a little silly.

Now might be a good time to start asking nicely for them to attach the quiver models to the Bow/Crossbow models.

Hm. I checked a night or two ago on live, even with no quiver equipped, using sheathe/unsheath to display my bow in my hands made a quiver show up on my back - I didn't check if it was still there when shooting.

xursa · 03/18/09, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Fukasa

For those too lazy to click. 1hr parses of a pet, first with 6-7% miss, the second with 0%

Call me stupid if you like, but I see 6-8% miss in first parse and a slightly higher miss % of 6-9% in the second. From other threads pertaining to FA adjustments on the ptr they stat that in fact pet hit will benefit from FA and from these parses it appears that may be true. Im just lost as to where you see 0% in teh second.

Varelse · 03/18/09, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by alienangel

Hm. I checked a night or two ago on live, even with no quiver equipped, using sheathe/unsheath to display my bow in my hands made a quiver show up on my back - I didn't check if it was still there when shooting.

Checked it just now (I'm still logged in as I type) on the PTR, and there's no quiver model present when none is equipped. Are you using Thoridal, perchance?

alienangel · 03/18/09, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Varelse

Checked it just now (I'm still logged in as I type) on the PTR, and there's no quiver model present when none is equipped. Are you using Thoridal, perchance?

That was using Arrowsong I'm fairly sure :/

*makes note to hopefully remember when home*

Thrawn · 03/18/09, 11:28 AM

WWS sums up missed, dodged and parried hits in the column "Missed%". In order to see the "real" misses, you have to expand the stats by clicking on the + sign in the upper right corner. Doing so, you will see 0% miss in the first report, and 2.7% miss in the second.

Varelse · 03/18/09, 11:38 AM

A guildie of mine uses Thoridal the same way you do, to save money on trash. His main weapon is Envoy, so he has an ammo pouch equipped. He's a vein fellow, concerned with his looks and suchlikes, so when I asked him if Thoridal comes with a quiver, he promptly informed me it has an "ugly green one".

It could be they're attaching quivers to models already, which would be interesting. Rhok might just be left by the wayside, but I don't have another bow to test with. I could buy the Bind To Account bow and check, I guess.

alienangel · 03/18/09, 11:42 AM

You can buy white quality bows from vendors in Dalaran and the other cities I'm fairly sure if you're just looking for a quick test.

Gutchewa · 03/18/09, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by xursa

Call me stupid if you like, but I see 6-8% miss in first parse and a slightly higher miss % of 6-9% in the second. From other threads pertaining to FA adjustments on the ptr they stat that in fact pet hit will benefit from FA and from these parses it appears that may be true. Im just lost as to where you see 0% in teh second.

I know you were replying to another poster who was replying to me but hey may as well quote you.

Keyword here is 'miss' if you expand the pet skills you'll see how many times the pet missed. On the first test I had around 5.1% hit from gear and 3 points in Focused Aim (+3% hit) giving me a total of 8.1% hit in test one and the pet didn't 'miss' any.

Test two I removed the 3 points in Focused Aim and had 5.1% hit from gear alone and as you can clearly see the pet missed around 3% in what was a smallish sample.

So I was just giving evidence to what some earlier posters mentioned in this thread that it appears Focused Aim is now effecting our pets in the current ptr build.

Skybluesky · 03/18/09, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by xursa

Im just lost as to where you see 0% in teh second.

I think the first of the parses is the FA talented parse. You have to expand the columns to break down what WWS classifies as 'misses'. In that parse, all 'misses' end up being dodges and parries -- not true misses.

Fukasa · 03/18/09, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Gutchewa

I know you where replying to another poster who was replying to me but hey may as well quote you.

Keyword here is 'miss' if you expand the pet skills you'll see how many times the pet missed. On the first test I had around 5.1% hit from gear and 3 points in Focused Aim (+3% hit) giving me a total of 8.1% hit in test one and the pet didn't 'miss' any.

Test two I removed the 3 points in Focused Aim and had 5.1% hit from gear alone and as you can clearly see the pet missed around 3% in what was a smallish sample.

So I was just giving evidence to what some earlier posters mentioned in this thread that it appears Focused Aim is now effecting our pets in the current ptr build.

Yes I was eager to see results so I clicked the links checked out the data and just paraphrased the results wrong.

The first parse has 0 misses, with 3/3 FA
The second parse has 2.7% misses with 0/3 FA

xursa · 03/18/09, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Gutchewa

I know you where replying to another poster who was replying to me but hey may as well quote you.

Keyword here is 'miss' if you expand the pet skills you'll see how many times the pet missed. On the first test I had around 5.1% hit from gear and 3 points in Focused Aim (+3% hit) giving me a total of 8.1% hit in test one and the pet didn't 'miss' any.

Test two I removed the 3 points in Focused Aim and had 5.1% hit from gear alone and as you can clearly see the pet missed around 3% in what was a smallish sample.

So I was just giving evidence to what some earlier posters mentioned in this thread that it appears Focused Aim is now effecting our pets in the current ptr build.

Great! I hope that it translates to live. Would be nice to go 3/3 FA.