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Old 04/13/09, 6:24 PM   #1081
Rivkah
Great Tiger
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Stormrage
Originally Posted by shaoquin View Post
Good stuff. I'm wondering if you would be willing to test with 1/14/56 (KS/ES/Hawk, Multi instead of AS)? The reason I ask is using my current gear and the latest PTR spreadsheet I'm getting 5 DPS higher with 1/14/56 vs 0/15/56 using Hawk glyph as a replacement for SS.
I ran it again with that spec. Not going to repost the numbers, they were roughly similar- the spec and glyphs you requested came in 2nd from the bottom, 6 dps above 1/15/55 Hawk/SS and 31 dps below 1/15/55 KS/SS.

Your haste is about 50 lower than mine, so that could potentially account for the different results you're seeing in the spreadsheet.

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Old 04/13/09, 7:14 PM   #1082
kavinavel
Glass Joe
 
Koris
Blood Elf Paladin
 
No WoW Account
Alright so I am new to a hunter but I am wondering how this spec and glyphs will work out for an SV hunter in 3.1

1/15/55

I went with Aimed shot over steady shot but I am more than willing to change up whatever.

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Old 04/13/09, 7:19 PM   #1083
Iru
Don Flamenco
 
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Draenei Hunter
 
Muradin
Nowhere near as well as a spec with Resourcefulness maxed out due to the DPS loss from less Black Arrow uptime, regardless of your glyph choices. I'd suggest looking at the specs in a number of the posts just above yours.

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Old 04/13/09, 7:49 PM   #1084
kavinavel
Glass Joe
 
Koris
Blood Elf Paladin
 
No WoW Account
Yea I missed that reduces cool down by x seconds part of that tooltip.

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Old 04/13/09, 8:21 PM   #1085
Caggy
Von Kaiser
 
Tauren Hunter
 
Azjol-Nerub
I just want to go out on a limb and this is the 1/15/55 spec, since there weren't any links to the post above.

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Old 04/13/09, 9:07 PM   #1086
Rivkah
Great Tiger
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Stormrage
Originally Posted by Caggy View Post
I just want to go out on a limb and this is the 1/15/55 spec, since there weren't any links to the post above.
I believe actually if you were going 1/15/55 you'd be better off moving either a point from hawk or hunting party into Master Tactician. I've not seen any indications in the spreadsheet that hunting party or hawk or imp stings give more damage benefit than that 5th point in MT. Glyphwise there's some argument- serpent and steady seem pretty close, hawk is definitely losing out from what I've seen. Kill shot seems to come out very strong as well in the spreadsheet, but a bit weaker in the simulationcraft. I haven't seen anything to indicate that aimed shot is that great but I haven't been running tests with it so maybe I missed something.

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Old 04/13/09, 10:00 PM   #1087
Aern
Banned
 
Orc Hunter
 
Mal'Ganis
So I've been reading up on the last few pages and there still seems to be a lot of back and forth as to which spec is going to be the best for us. So I'm wondering what spec/glyphs are gonna be the highest dps for us with full BIS gear as SV. Right now I'm thinking 1/15/55 with hawk/explosive/steady glyphs but losing that aimed shot glyph with aimed in my rotation seems like a travesty, and with the patch most likely dropping tomorrow, I'm really up against the wall here.

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Old 04/13/09, 11:07 PM   #1088
Rivkah
Great Tiger
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Stormrage
If you look at the numbers that have been posted from simulationcraft and spreadsheet testing, you'll find the differences between the most popular specs are pretty tiny at best and that which spec pulls ahead is somewhat depending on gearing. However everything I've seen has the hawk glyph performing lower than explosive/killshot/steady/serpent. I don't know about aimed but just from a guess I'd have to say the fact that there are multiple shots with higher priorities than aimed may mean that the 2 seconds saved on the cooldown won't always get utilized, which would make the glyph less powerful.

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Old 04/13/09, 11:25 PM   #1089
vulp
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Hunter
 
Blackrock
There is a lot of talk about glyphs here. On the PTR we could just buy them from the vendor and test them out. When this goes live tomorrow, will all the new glyphs be available immediately from the trainer or do they have to be researched?

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Old 04/13/09, 11:29 PM   #1090
Rezdan
Don Flamenco
 
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Dwarf Hunter
 
Nagrand
They will be obtained from research and a World Drop "Book of Glyph Mastery".

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Old 04/13/09, 11:29 PM   #1091
Aern
Banned
 
Orc Hunter
 
Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Rivkah View Post
If you look at the numbers that have been posted from simulationcraft and spreadsheet testing, you'll find the differences between the most popular specs are pretty tiny at best and that which spec pulls ahead is somewhat depending on gearing. However everything I've seen has the hawk glyph performing lower than explosive/killshot/steady/serpent. I don't know about aimed but just from a guess I'd have to say the fact that there are multiple shots with higher priorities than aimed may mean that the 2 seconds saved on the cooldown won't always get utilized, which would make the glyph less powerful.
That sounds about right I guess, I'm really not convinced about the KS glyph unless we end up spending signifcant time in KS range and that doesn't seem very likely to me, so I guess that leaves steady/serpent/explosive, and god knows if I'll even be able to find explosive glyph anywhere unless its vendor trained and not discovered.

I'm still not really sure about the specific talent point allocation and since I'm not really a spread sheet wiz (don't have excel) I'm not exactly sure what to go with but this spec/glyph setup seems to me like it would be top. Any ideas on if this is right/wrong and whats wrong with it?

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Old 04/14/09, 12:00 AM   #1092
Rivkah
Great Tiger
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Stormrage
I did a quick check in the sheet with my gear against a 1/15/55 spec. I took out all the glyphs except for explosive shot and checked the damage benefit for adding each one. This is what I got:

70.83 - KS
48.86 - steady
44.81 - hawk
41.86 - serpent
27.81 - aimed

I expect some of the glyphs do tend to affect how much damage benefit the others give, so take the numbers with a grain of salt.

I would also say that if you have a fairly high amount of haste (and are typically in a raid with someone providing the haste buff), you may do better moving that point from hawk to hunting party or imp stings (or even focused aim if you have enough hit gems in your gear to see a benefit from switching them out). For my gear I'm finding the imp hawk talent to not perform as well as the alternatives.

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Old 04/14/09, 1:04 AM   #1093
cursedgriffin
Glass Joe
 
Orc Hunter
 
<SWC>
Anub'arak
question about pet

I have been searching the forums but cannot seem to find information about which pet will be the best in terms of dps and which pet-spec will be the highest dps for the patch.

I am a survival hunter, currently using a raptor. I read in some random places that wolves will be the new top dps pet. Is that true? and what spec are people finding is the best for a ferocity pet?

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Old 04/14/09, 1:05 AM   #1094
Aern
Banned
 
Orc Hunter
 
Mal'Ganis
I was actually switching points around and think I've settled on this for the spec I'll be switching to tomorrow. Definitely think that full resourcefulness is gonna be worth more than 1 point in hawk 1 point in HP (raid will already have 2 replenishment) and 1 point in expose weakness. I'm in full BiS gear and gemmed for exactly hit cap so points in FA would be wasted.

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Old 04/14/09, 1:12 AM   #1095
arlen
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Tauren Paladin
 
Sen'jin
Why take 3 points in Hawk Eye and not Trap Mastery?

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