3.1 Upcoming Changes - Page 74

dvorjak · 04/14/09, 1:18 AM

Hello,

I have been wondering what the rotation/priority list will be for SV hunters with the advent of Black arrow. I have come up with this.
Rapid Fire
KS
Black Arrow
Explosive Shot
Serpent Sting
Aimed/Multi
Steady Shot

How does that look?

Rivkah · 04/14/09, 1:18 AM

Aern, that's probably the spec I'm going for as well, except I'm getting trap mastery instead of hawk eye. The only reason I mentioned focused aim is that with the change to allow pets to benefit, it's no longer as bad to take and when I futzed with the spreadsheet I actually saw a dps gain dropping some hit gems to take it instead. But given my gear is likely to change around a lot, it's probably just easier to stick with what I have currently.

Regarding pets, everything I've heard says wolves are the way to go but I don't know how big the gap is if you're wolf averse. In terms of pet spec I was assuming that the new pet talents were too far in the tree for survival to reach but I just checked and it's possible for us to get one point in there somewhere. The spreadsheet pet talents don't work for me, so I'm not sure whether shark attack or wild hunt is the way to go.

Bullspat · 04/14/09, 1:25 AM

With the changes of a 30 s cooldown shot i am having macro trouble should i go back to key bindinds or can anyone help?

arlen · 04/14/09, 1:41 AM

Originally Posted by dvorjak

Hello,

I have been wondering what the rotation/priority list will be for SV hunters with the advent of Black arrow. I have come up with this.
Rapid Fire
KS
Black Arrow
Serpent Sting
Aimed/Multi
Steady Shot

How does that look?

Looks good but I think Aimed/Multi before Serpent sting is still the way to go, and Explosive shot after Black Arrow. I could be wrong.

Aern · 04/14/09, 1:43 AM

Rik after looking at Trap Mastery again seems like thats probably what I'll put points into. As for pet spec, I'm gonna go with the normal points and throw that last 1 point into shark attack. As BM if for some reason you only had 16 points to play with I'd say go with the 1 point in wild hunt, especially if you're using AotB. With SV though your pet has a fairly small amount of AP, seems like the percentage would most likely be a better benefit.

dvorjak · 04/14/09, 2:07 AM

Originally Posted by dvorjak

Hello,

I have been wondering what the rotation/priority list will be for SV hunters with the advent of Black arrow. I have come up with this.
Rapid Fire
KS
Black Arrow
Explosive Shot
Serpent Sting
Aimed/Multi
Steady Shot

How does that look?

Should I put ES before Black Arrow?

Kharthus · 04/14/09, 2:30 AM

I'm going with:

Rapid Fire
Kill Shot
Explosive Shot
Black Arrow
Serpent Sting
Aimed/Multi
Steady Shot

Works out best on a dmg/shot basis and seems to do the best damage in SimulationCraft as well.

Here's the spec breakdowns from the runs I did:

6616 12.7% Hunter_T8_00_14_57
6615 12.7% Hunter_T8_00_15_56
6594 12.7% Hunter_T8_01_14_56
6591 12.7% Hunter_T8_01_15_55
6585 12.6% Hunter_T8_02_15_54
6558 12.6% Hunter_T8_02_18_51

Using Kill/Explosive/Serpent glyphs.

Looks like you can basically spec 0/14/51 and then put the last 6 pts where you want and the dps will come out about the same.

Anyone notice that feral druids are on top of the simcraft charts again? /sigh

Shadowzuka · 04/14/09, 2:35 AM

Originally Posted by dvorjak

Should I put ES before Black Arrow?

I would assume BA would be coming before ES, given its a setup ability like Serpent Sting to Marks, allowing you to get the most out of your damage, including LnL procs (off chance that you get a proc after you fire it, ES wouldn't be on cooldown giving you more burst and perhaps overall better DPS).

Although, this is from a Marks hunter, so I don't got the full scoop on Surv rotations.

sjogren · 04/14/09, 4:13 AM

Originally Posted by Mikari

Yeah changing the file to my own characters stats I get a higher dps with a 0/15/56 spec myself. I'm actually surprised by the stats in the Hunter Simcraft files actually considering it's supposed to ba T8 gear level test the stats aren't as high as they should be.

The "T8" is actually a bit of a misnomer. The T8 profiles and T7 profiles use the same gear, but the T8 profiles use 3.1 mechanics. Pretty soon after the patch we'll probably change so that the T7 profiles mean T7 gear with 3.1 mechanics and T8 profiles mean T8 gear with 3.1 mechanics. I haven't had time to research a good T8 gear profile yet though, any help there would be appreciated (even better if it's in the shape of a chardev link)

It's awesome if more people are taking an interest in simcraft, my available time for hunter development has been rather limited lately.

Regarding 1/15/55 vs 0/15/56 vs 1/14/56, the differences are rather small. I'm reluctant to use the KS glyph because its worth depends so much on fight length.

musclemilk · 04/14/09, 4:30 AM

What pet will you guys be going with as surv? I am hearing good things about the wolf, but am unsure.

Nakaya_kilrogg · 04/14/09, 5:10 AM

The wolf seems to be running ahead of the other non-exotics, because of the howl. The cat is actually pretty far down the list, if I recall correctly. I'll be using the wolf, Devilsaur if I end up BM (for whatever reason).

Nervosa · 04/14/09, 5:39 AM

im not quite sure whether that 320 AP @ rank 6 is better than the raptor's dps. ofc im talking about survival hunter and his pet. no question devilsaur is imba. since they equalized the base pet stats i would say we will put pets into two groups: 'pets with useful skill' 'pets without...blabla'
good question, i havent been to ptr so i dont really know, i just heard some rumors about pets.

lmk · 04/14/09, 7:19 AM

I have a question about the usefulness of FA in a 3.1 SV build.

When I first switched to SV after the BM nerfbat hit, I did a little research and made a spec that looked good to me, and haven't changed that spec since, mostly due to playing my paladin a bit more recently. With Ulduar coming out I'll be back on my hunter full time and I've realized that having FA in my spec made me gear for exactly 4% hit (I always have a draenei). So, my question is whether or not it would be a good idea to have FA in my spec until I can get some Ulduar pieces with hit on them to bring my rating up. Alternatively I could swap out Blue Aspect and Journey's for Hyaline and Black Ice, but I fear the DPS loss from the items would mitigate any gains in hit. I would check this in the spreadsheet, but I can't get it to work right, so can someone tell me what they think (and why)?

Armory Link

Possible 0/17/54 3.1 Spec w/ FA

Terp · 04/14/09, 9:57 AM

Originally Posted by lmk

I have a question about the usefulness of FA in a 3.1 SV build.

When I first switched to SV after the BM nerfbat hit, I did a little research and made a spec that looked good to me, and haven't changed that spec since, mostly due to playing my paladin a bit more recently. With Ulduar coming out I'll be back on my hunter full time and I've realized that having FA in my spec made me gear for exactly 4% hit (I always have a draenei). So, my question is whether or not it would be a good idea to have FA in my spec until I can get some Ulduar pieces with hit on them to bring my rating up. Alternatively I could swap out Blue Aspect and Journey's for Hyaline and Black Ice, but I fear the DPS loss from the items would mitigate any gains in hit. I would check this in the spreadsheet, but I can't get it to work right, so can someone tell me what they think (and why)?

Armory Link

Possible 0/17/54 3.1 Spec w/ FA

There's what, a ~70 dps difference between Black Ice and Journey's ignoring the hit? You'd be hard pressed to make that up anywhere in two talent points. Hyaline would be even worse for one point.

Beachwanderer · 04/14/09, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by lmk

I have a question about the usefulness of FA in a 3.1 SV build.

When I first switched to SV after the BM nerfbat hit, I did a little research and made a spec that looked good to me, and haven't changed that spec since, mostly due to playing my paladin a bit more recently. With Ulduar coming out I'll be back on my hunter full time and I've realized that having FA in my spec made me gear for exactly 4% hit (I always have a draenei). So, my question is whether or not it would be a good idea to have FA in my spec until I can get some Ulduar pieces with hit on them to bring my rating up. Alternatively I could swap out Blue Aspect and Journey's for Hyaline and Black Ice, but I fear the DPS loss from the items would mitigate any gains in hit. I would check this in the spreadsheet, but I can't get it to work right, so can someone tell me what they think (and why)?

Armory Link

Possible 0/17/54 3.1 Spec w/ FA

Armory is down atm. But from your spec you don't have GFTT. That's a big no no. Also 2% crit >> 1% agil so slide that hunting party point over to master tactician. I hope your raid has others that provide replenishment if you need the hit that badly.