3.1 Upcoming Changes - Page 79

Trickytrout · 04/17/09, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by MetallicaRulez0

I've really been enjoying MM so far in Ulduar. The plethora of instant shots makes the add fights much easier. Only problems so far have been running oom if our Ret dies, which he often does.

I think it's tough to go by the spreadsheet when Survival is so clunky and RNG-based. Supposedly Survival should be a few hundred DPS ahead of MM for me, but I don't think very many people can perfect their Survival rotation during a real Ulduar encounter. There's too much going on to be able to stare at your cooldowns like you can in Naxx.

I have to disagree with this. Maybe I am just very used to SV but I found MM to be just as clunky as SV. "Perfecting" a rotation for either spec is still quite possible with a good player. In Ulduar I can't think of anything that would be holding a SV hunter back more than MM when it comes to managing CDs. Power Auras makes managing CDs like BA and ES as well as keeping SrS on the target a lot easier. It works wonders for Sniper training as well.

Bovii · 04/17/09, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Trickytrout

I have to disagree with this. Maybe I am just very used to SV but I found MM to be just as clunky as SV. "Perfecting" a rotation for either spec is still quite possible with a good player. In Ulduar I can't think of anything that would be holding a SV hunter back more than MM when it comes to managing CDs. Power Auras makes managing CDs like BA and ES as well as keeping SrS on the target a lot easier. It works wonders for Sniper training as well.

I'm curious as to how you think that MM is as "clunky" as SV, in terms of rotation. The rotation is the exact same one that you used for SV prior to the 3.1 patch. The only difference is that you no longer need to pop SrS after its initial application. From that point on, it is SS spam with your intermitent AS/MS and CS.

Æthien · 04/17/09, 1:18 PM

Lets see, Survival right now has a 24 second cooldown (BA), a 21 second DoT, a 10 second cooldown and a 6 second cooldown.
Marksman has a 10 second cooldown, a 9 second cooldown (I'm assuming CS gets glyphed?) and a 6 second cooldown.
I wouldn't call MM's rotation/priority the exact same as SV, even when you ignore BA, but I'll agree that it's not as complicated as SV.

If you had said BM, then I would have agreed with you, as BM has a 21 second DoT, a 10 second cooldown and a 6 second cooldown to work with.

Nooska · 04/17/09, 1:44 PM

Actually current thinking in Beastmaster thread is to drop the SrS glyph for Hawk (Hawk, SS and BW glyphs) so its a 16 second, 10 second (if used) and 6 second CD.

Kharthus · 04/17/09, 4:49 PM

I think it's going to be really hard to compare dps between builds until they fix all the bugs. There's a few nasty bugs affecting Surv atm, mostly related to ES and BA.

Or if they're not bugs, then the spreadsheet will have to be updated and we can recheck all the numbers.

Girthbot · 04/18/09, 6:43 AM

Ya I can't break top 5 if I wanted to in Ulduar, I don't see where I'm going wrong unless its my spec.

6/14/51 atm, but considering a 2/18/51 or maybe even 0/17/54. Is Aimed Shot a lot better now with the -2 off the CD from glyph, cause I was still using the Multi-Shot spec, and DPS for me has just been pathetic.

I even have a new gun from Ulduar, using engineering ammo, flasked up, ALMOST every BiS pre Ulduar, minus 2 or 3 slots. I haven't been this consistently low on meters in my guild since...ever?

Galushi · 04/18/09, 7:04 AM

Well being low on meters doesn't really say much without a context. Are the top 5 all within a few percent of eachother and your just below them a little bit? Or are they staggeringly above you.

Also, just because the top players may be phenominal, doesn't mean you are neccesarily bad, just less skilled/gear then them. On fights that require rapid target changing and quick movement, play skill usually trumps gear/class when it comes to raw meters.

Zigazaha · 04/18/09, 1:19 PM

Originally Posted by Girthbot

Ya I can't break top 5 if I wanted to in Ulduar, I don't see where I'm going wrong unless its my spec.

6/14/51 atm, but considering a 2/18/51 or maybe even 0/17/54. Is Aimed Shot a lot better now with the -2 off the CD from glyph, cause I was still using the Multi-Shot spec, and DPS for me has just been pathetic.

I even have a new gun from Ulduar, using engineering ammo, flasked up, ALMOST every BiS pre Ulduar, minus 2 or 3 slots. I haven't been this consistently low on meters in my guild since...ever?

Glyph of Steady shot> aimed shot.
Other than that like the previous poster said maybe you're less than a percentage behind?
Either that or you need to work on your rotation.

I managed to pull 2nd on kologorn, but i have noticed rogues are very high now aswell as mages so its very possible that you arn't doing anything wrong.

Starwind · 04/18/09, 1:33 PM

I had 5 consecutive FD resists on Razorscale (25 heroic) the other night. A one-post report was open on the Bug forums and I added confirmation that the bug still exists as of 04/16.

Has anyone else experienced this?

KraxisSingular · 04/18/09, 1:35 PM

Rogues are defiantely up there, and I suspect we will have to struggle with them a lot. However I don't think the Mages are doing too well. To me it looks like they have lost a little ground.

Girth, the 'old' 3.0.8 spec of 6/14/51 is to a degree defunct now. The reason it had an edge was the Raptor and the reliance on crits on Savage Rend. It was a better spec, but only slightly better. Now that the Wolf is clearly better than the Raptor it is a good idea to use fewer points in BM. Depending on your glyphsituation you can go so far as no BM points. We have basically been afforded more options since most of them are within reasonable distance of each other.

pkrfan97 · 04/18/09, 3:51 PM

Originally Posted by Starwind

I had 5 consecutive FD resists on Razorscale (25 heroic) the other night. A one-post report was open on the Bug forums and I added confirmation that the bug still exists as of 04/16.

Has anyone else experienced this?

The same thing happens to me & the other hunter in my raid. I've experienced this on both 10- & 25-man Ulduar. I can FD all I want & my aggro never drops.

Khazoo · 04/18/09, 4:14 PM

FD works fine for me, but the new Omen is bugged so when I do FD my aggro doesn't drop according to the threat meters. That may be it.

I did have a weird misdirect that simply did not register on Ignis though.

OMGLAWLZ · 04/20/09, 2:58 AM

Originally Posted by Khazoo

FD works fine for me, but the new Omen is bugged so when I do FD my aggro doesn't drop according to the threat meters. That may be it.

I did have a weird misdirect that simply did not register on Ignis though.

I've experienced both a higher frequency of FD resists, and MD's that simply didn't do anything.

Skhope · 04/20/09, 2:53 PM

I distinctly remember that they removed the minimum range on Kill Shot on PTR. However, I recently noticed that it has a 5yd minimum range now. I could not find anything about Kill Shot in the official patch notes either. The good news is that they have fixed the range to be exactly 5yd instead of 8yd as it was pre-3.1.

Bovii · 04/20/09, 3:08 PM

Originally Posted by OMGLAWLZ

I've experienced both a higher frequency of FD resists, and MD's that simply didn't do anything.

Rememeber that MD and Explosive Shot aren't functioning properly. ES will eat all of the charges but no aggro will actually be transfered beyond the application.