3.1 Upcoming Changes - Page 81

Leowan · 04/21/09, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Starwind

I had 5 consecutive FD resists on Razorscale (25 heroic) the other night. A one-post report was open on the Bug forums and I added confirmation that the bug still exists as of 04/16.

Has anyone else experienced this?

I have yet to have a FD work on Razorscale. Doesn't matter what phase I FD on, It will clear agro on the adds, never on Razorscale. Either she is immune or its a bug.

Juuni · 04/22/09, 8:22 PM

I have actually spent some time testing the ES + MD and found that the threat generated is more or less equivalent to the double of initial ES shot, and of course the consumption of the three charges.
Regarding the Aimed Shot i found no bug with MD in any of the fights and tests till now.

Anarchos · 04/26/09, 10:02 PM

Concerning MD and the charges.. the mechanics are abit blunt to be honest.

For example you put MD on your MT and go for it..
*EXAMPLE 1* serpent sting, chimera shot + chimera serpent proc = 3 charges gone.
*EXAMPLE 2* explosive shot reaches the target, then the damage kicks in = 3 charges gone.

So.. just applying serpent sting to a target equals a charge as does applying explosive shot before it even deals any damage at all.

All in all, it seems much wiser to just go arcane, auto + aimed for a MD to assure you won't get some monster of a last tick explosive shot crit, 6k wild quiver proc or 7k chim serpent proc back in your face on a vital pull.

Kharthus · 04/27/09, 3:19 AM

Just tested it myself to be sure and yes it's still bugged. 3rd tick of ES is after Misdirection fades.

Been a 'known issue' for 3 months without a fix:

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> [BUG] Misdirect-explosive shot

Grimmarg · 04/27/09, 9:24 AM

Originally Posted by Kharthus

Just tested it myself to be sure and yes it's still bugged. 3rd tick of ES is after Misdirection fades.

Been a 'known issue' for 3 months without a fix:

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> [BUG] Misdirect-explosive shot

Explosive tick, autoshot, explosive tick, MD fades, final explosive tick.

Wouldn't that explain it?

Anarchos · 04/27/09, 9:48 AM

It would but the thing is the none damage component of Explosive Shot triggers a MD charge which kinda sucks =) The actual application of Explosive Shot on a target.
It is pretty annoying on for example Yogg Phase 1 where you constantly MD big adds to the tank/s.

Juuni · 04/27/09, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Grimmarg

Explosive tick, autoshot, explosive tick, MD fades, final explosive tick.

Wouldn't that explain it?

Unfortunately it doesn't. Tested myself shooting ES while running (so no auto).
Its a unfortunate bug but its easy to overcome.

Starwind · 04/27/09, 1:07 PM

Originally Posted by Grimmarg

Explosive tick, autoshot, explosive tick, MD fades, final explosive tick.

Wouldn't that explain it?

The application of ES consumes the 1st MD charge. The first and second tick of ES consume the 2nd and 3rd MD charges. The third ES tick does not apply to MD. This scenario assumes no other shots than ES.

The safest route is AS + Auto + AiS.

Baower · 04/27/09, 1:16 PM

I've macro'd my pyro rockets to my aimed shot so I can get an instant 3 shot MD. Not as great for MDing on the fly during a fight since the rockets are likely on CD but it's great for pulls where I can hit one button, fire 3 shots and start running to my spot almost instantly.

Kharthus · 04/27/09, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by Juuni

Unfortunately it doesn't. Tested myself shooting ES while running (so no auto).
Its a unfortunate bug but its easy to overcome.

Yeah, should've mentioned I tested this while running.

Iroared · 04/28/09, 1:53 AM

Will dot applications consume MD charges? In other words if I md->black arrow->serpent sting, have I just wasted 2 charges of MD and generated 0 threat? In OS (before 3.1) I used to MD->serpent sting and then kept running, and on omen the MT threat jumped up a few times before ticks started increasing my own threat.

Sonork · 04/28/09, 2:48 AM

Originally Posted by Baower

I've macro'd my pyro rockets to my aimed shot so I can get an instant 3 shot MD. Not as great for MDing on the fly during a fight since the rockets are likely on CD but it's great for pulls where I can hit one button, fire 3 shots and start running to my spot almost instantly.

I'm wondering if the hand mounted Pyro rockets are more dps than the flat 20 agi to gloves. Me being survival you get boosts to your agi so I'm not quite sure if the rockets would be straight up better than a regular +20 agi or not.

Anyone know?

Iroared · 04/28/09, 2:55 AM

Originally Posted by Sonork

I'm wondering if the hand mounted Pyro rockets are more dps than the flat 20 agi to gloves. Me being survival you get boosts to your agi so I'm not quite sure if the rockets would be straight up better than a regular +20 agi or not.

Anyone know?

The spreadsheet reports pyro rockets being more DPS than 20 agi enchant but I have a feeling there is a bug.

Cilithan · 04/28/09, 4:02 AM

Im no Mathswiz by far, but isn't it rather simple? The Hand Rocket has a CD of 45 secs. It deals 1440 to 1760 damage per use, 1600 on average. 1600/45=35,5 dps. The question is whether the Agility enchant provides more DPS for you. The Spreadsheet will answer that question. If it does trigger the GCD, the damage will not be worth it of course.

Shandara · 04/28/09, 5:12 AM

Originally Posted by Cilithan

Im no Mathswiz by far, but isn't it rather simple? The Hand Rocket has a CD of 45 secs. It deals 1440 to 1760 damage per use, 1600 on average. 1600/45=35,5 dps. The question is whether the Agility enchant provides more DPS for you. The Spreadsheet will answer that question. If it does trigger the GCD, the damage will not be worth it of course.

The rocket can also crit, don't forget and it seems to use the hunter's crit rate (this will need testing to be sure though).