3.1 Upcoming Changes - Page 82

Baower · 04/28/09, 8:39 AM

I usually have around 50% raid buffed ranged crit but the rocket crits in the 20% range. I've been as low as 15% and as high as 30% on different raid nights when looking at all attempts.

Last night in our 10's run over 5 bosses I went 24 hits, 7 crits for 23% crit. I was probably around 45% ranged crit with the buffs I had.

Landed	Dot	Crit	
Nb 	24		7									
% 	77 %		23 %									
Avg 	1 439		2 308		
Max 	1 805		2 782

 	Landed	Dot	Crit	
Nb 	39		15									
% 	72 %		28 %									
Avg 	1 995		2 669		
Max 	3 738		3 233

Landed	Dot	Crit
Nb 	65		28									
% 	70 %		30 %									
Avg 	1 430		2 285		
Max 	1 805		2 824

Ignore the higher damage numbers on the second one, there are heart strikes in there from XT.

Overall the rockets typically account for about 1-1.5% of my DPS. Pretty good and I love watching the little rocket launch

Dormonag · 04/28/09, 9:05 AM

Originally Posted by Shandara

The rocket can also crit, don't forget and it seems to use the hunter's crit rate (this will need testing to be sure though).

I'm more inclined to believe it might use spell hit and crit. Last night over the course of a 3hour 25 man raid with 275 hit and Draenei presence I still had 1.2% missed and a 29% crit rate vs. my other shots which all ranged in the 52-62% crit range.

Pyro - 29%
Auto - 52 %
Steady - 60%
Explosive - 61%
Kill Shot - 62%

Talents modifiers (0/15/56) explain the higher crit rates of several of the specials but even compared to auto shot the rocket crit rate is significantly lower. I say spell hit and crit since none of our talents modify spell crit and my untalented crit rate based on gear alone is 29.29% (easily verified ATM via the bugged armory).

Baower · 04/28/09, 9:22 AM

Originally Posted by Dormonag

I'm more inclined to believe it might use spell hit and crit. Last night over the course of a 3hour 25 man raid with 275 hit and Draenei presence I still had 1.2% missed and a 29% crit rate vs. my other shots which all ranged in the 52-62% crit range.

Pyro - 29%
Auto - 52 %
Steady - 60%
Explosive - 61%
Kill Shot - 62%

Talents modifiers (0/15/56) explain the higher crit rates of several of the specials but even compared to auto shot the rocket crit rate is significantly lower. I say spell hit and crit since none of our talents modify spell crit and my untalented crit rate based on gear alone is 29.29% (easily verified ATM via the bugged armory).

I don't believe it's spell hit. I have never seen a miss when checking recount or WWS. Is it possible that you hit something that was immune or something like that? I think hitting a banished target shows up as a miss.

Upon reflection the crit rate does seem a bit higher than what I initially posted. However the sample is still pretty small. Spell crit may be a possibility.

shania · 04/28/09, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Shandara

The rocket can also crit, don't forget and it seems to use the hunter's crit rate (this will need testing to be sure though).

I have +5K crits in raid. 2.5k unbufed.

Xaraphyne · 04/28/09, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Skhope

I distinctly remember that they removed the minimum range on Kill Shot on PTR. However, I recently noticed that it has a 5yd minimum range now. I could not find anything about Kill Shot in the official patch notes either. The good news is that they have fixed the range to be exactly 5yd instead of 8yd as it was pre-3.1.

I remember reading this and being a little surprised they'd give us a point-blank shot. That it turned out like this on the other hand isn't a surprise at all. My guess is that even though they said they were "removing the minimum range", they only meant "removing the additional minimum range", so that it would be in line with our other shots.

Anarchos · 04/28/09, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Iroared

Will dot applications consume MD charges? In other words if I md->black arrow->serpent sting, have I just wasted 2 charges of MD and generated 0 threat? In OS (before 3.1) I used to MD->serpent sting and then kept running, and on omen the MT threat jumped up a few times before ticks started increasing my own threat.

Applying Serpent Sting to a target uses a MD charge before damage even ticks, so that would be a yes, sadly.

Shadowzuka · 04/29/09, 5:57 AM

Originally Posted by shania

I have +5K crits in raid. 2.5k unbufed.

How do you get it so high?

Looking at my numbers (was doing both emalon and archavon tonight in 10 man), the pyro rocket went from 1515 to 2108 on regular hits and 2500 to about 2800 on crits.

Since it couldn't be the 7% extra bonus you get from Black Arrow/Noxious Stings (I got Focused Fire so it brings your bonus extra damage down 2%), I'm curious how you would get it that high.

Baower · 04/29/09, 8:47 AM

Originally Posted by Shadowzuka

How do you get it so high?

Looking at my numbers (was doing both emalon and archavon tonight in 10 man), the pyro rocket went from 1515 to 2108 on regular hits and 2500 to about 2800 on crits.

Since it couldn't be the 7% extra bonus you get from Black Arrow/Noxious Stings (I got Focused Fire so it brings your bonus extra damage down 2%), I'm curious how you would get it that high.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's not possible unless you are hitting XT's heart or have a Rune Circle.

HoSAvelon · 04/30/09, 5:33 PM

A few changes in 3.1.2:

Lock and Load - Changed to have a 2/4/6% chance when you deal periodic damage with your Immolation Trap or Black Arrow to cause your next 2 Arcane Shot or Explosive Shot spells to trigger no cooldown, cost no mana and consume no ammo. Down from 4/7/10%. (src: Wotlkwiki.info)

Go For The Throat: Explosive Shot critical strikes now trigger this talent.
Rabid: This Hunter pet talent no longer lists a percentage chance to be triggered, as that chance varies by the attack speed of the pet. (src: MMO-Champion)

Kharthus · 04/30/09, 5:52 PM

Are they kidding with the LnL change? It hardly ever procs now and they're further nerfing it? At some point it won't even be worth taking.

rasmil · 05/01/09, 5:29 AM

The wording on mmo-champ about 3.12 changes does not include that the periodic damage from Immo Trap or BA is what procs LnL, but rather just periodic damage. If SrS would be able to proc it also in 3.12, it would be a very nice buff.

Hoping Wotlkwiki incorrectly inserted Immo Trap and BA, and crossing fingers that SrS can indeed trigger LnL again.

Girthbot · 05/01/09, 8:01 AM

Indeed, I would gladly take the lower rate if Serpent could also proc it.

Also somebody mentioned earlier that when using Explosive Shot with MD that MD charge 1 is the initial ES landing, then MD charges 2 and 3 are the first 2 ES ticks and the third ES tick does not use MD. Are you combining the initial landing and the first tick? Otherwise I count 4 ES ticks. Initial application damage > tick > tick or am I really this wasted?

Bluesfear · 05/01/09, 8:28 AM

Listen guys, the change to the LnL proc is just a tooltip correction, it is already at 2%/4%/6%.

arlen · 05/01/09, 8:42 AM

Originally Posted by Girthbot

Are you combining the initial landing and the first tick? Otherwise I count 4 ES ticks. Initial application damage > tick > tick or am I really this wasted?

You are correct, first 'tick' is Explosive shot reaching the target, followed by 3 explosion ticks.

Girthbot · 05/03/09, 6:10 AM

Originally Posted by arlen

You are correct, first 'tick' is Explosive shot reaching the target, followed by 3 explosion ticks.

Followed by 2 ticks no? Initial damage > tick > tick? I feel like you guys are playing tricks on my mind.