• Praxx

One item that has helped me some on Yogg is the following macro.

/target Corruptor Tentacle
/target Constrictor Tentacle
/petattack

It will send the pet to a Constrictor Tentacle if one is up and a Corruptor if not. I know these are not the primary targets but it is better than having my pet standing around.

 

zeroKFE

My gear and my spec gained close to 400 DPS in the spreadsheet, bringing me within 200 DPS of MM and 350 or 400 DPS of SV using the standard specs there with the same gear re-gemmed and re-enchanted. Still not quite all the way there, but it's a very good start.

 

Vøà d

Actually On the yogg fight if you go into the portal and come back out your pet does stay on the brain and keeps attacking. I had to go Surv after 3.08 but am looking back into BM for that fight since in phase 1 I seem to be holding back my dps in order to not kill the adds before they get to sara anyway. I'm hoping the extra pet dps saves us a portal phase since the last time we go in we seem to be on the brain for like 5 sec

 

Marthel

Interestingly in the Paragon Yogg-Saron + 0 Video (mmo-champion has a link) there appears to be a Devilsaur (and thus a BM hunter) in the mix. I wonder if it's for this exact reason.

 

Lupius

Haven't noticed my pet's whereabouts as I leave the brain realm, but it usually despawns (out of range?) by the time I reach the green beam to recharge sanity. I'll keep a close eye on it this week.

 

Elanessë

The location of the brain room is directly below yogg's main room. When you get spat out his mouth if you stay close to the centre of the room then your pet will indeed contine to attack the brain. However, any attempt to move away from the central area will cause you to outrange your pet causing it to despawn.

In regards to the Paragon 0 kill, as in a 0 keeper kill you get zero sanity refresh so this would be a non-issue anyways.

 

• Scotch

I suspect the Paragon reasoning is either extra brain dps or an idea that BM will be a better spec for burning through p3 due to less dps loss during Lunatic Gaze - or both.

<Bryne|work>: Scotch is one of the least terrible hunters I have ever had the extreme displeasure to raid with.

Do not click this link

 

Rhy

I will go for the 2nd reason. I tried the BM spec last night on 3 keepers. I did more damage on the brain than all the others, but only just ahead of the rogue. Compared to the previous week's Yogg 4 keepers, where I was MM, I did ~70k damage less with BM. I just can't tell how much of this is due to the one extra keeper. Still, it performs reasonably well in P3 and killing Corruptors in P2, so I think that's why they used it.
However, I encountered a problem last night. If I leave the pet to dps the brain and leave, I get thrown too far away from the center of the room and the pet despawns. The other hunter in the guild suggested using Disengage to stay close, which only works if I disengage in exactly the right moment so that when I get knocked away from Yogg the second time, I will still be close enough to him. Is there something I am missing or that's the only way to do it?

Oh, and also, what I noticed on the Paragon movie, at least the hunter using Devilsaur does not run into the portals. I couldn't see what are the others doing tho.

 

Derchizul

I think they wanted the +3%dmg buff for all raid, thats why they chose a BM hunter to tag along.

 

TrevvyTrev

They didn't have a ret paladin?

 

DiamondTear

We did.

 

Korghal

Then you must tell us! Why the BM hunter?

 

Nova442

I'm more interested in the spec chosen for the Yogg fight since IT is worthless. 54/17? 54/14/3 to try and try to hug the center to keep the pet on the brain?

 

KraxisSingular

Obviously not since that Devilsaur was roaming about on the outside. But I would like to hear about this too. What was it that made BM attractive for the fight? Now that the pet wasn't on the brain I can't really see any good advantage.

 

◊ arison

For a Freya-less kill, you regularly need to turn away from the boss *before* the sanity-draining cast starts, which can be a big DPS drain; perhaps the BM advantage would be allowing more of your DPS to continue full-time (since it doesn't need to face away).

 

Juuni

Well, thats a really good point to use it on the hardest phase. And focus will last long enough till you turn back again.
Now it really depends how much dps is the pet pushing right?

 

Neruse

I doubt BM would be superior. I am able to dps with instants during Gaze; if you spin your character fast enough you can use ExS/Chim/whatever and even Kill Shot (but that takes some practice).

 

Beachwanderer

The easy answer to this is to model your dps as BM and MM on the spread sheet without Steady Shots. If BM is already higher dps then we know for a fact it is better. If it is close then it may be better because you will still get some steady shots off as BM. If it's no where near then it is not likely BM will exceed in dps. I have done this, and am going with BM for Yog.

 

Lilbitters

Also, being BM would allow your pet to continue full DPS on Yogg-Saron while you are at range using Distracting Shot and kiting the Marked Immortal Guardians into place before the Shadow Beacon heals.

 

Esoth

Not to doubt the value of BM on phase 3 (and phase 2 if you can keep it in the brain room) but is MM really the best spec to be comparing it against for Yogg? Setting the sub 20% to 2/3 of the fight, with a typical survival spec and the kill shot glyph, I'm seeing some pretty good results in the spreadsheet.

 

Beachwanderer

You are correct. I am still toying with the spreadsheet and live results, including using Kill Shot Glyph as BM. Keep in mind that I am specifically focusing on what would be best for One Light in the Darkness and Alone in the Darkness. My guild just got Heroic:Firefighter down so we will be doing Hard Mode Yog in the very near future and I have short time to be prepared. As of last night we ez moded Yog and I was able to keep my pet in the room only 1 of the 2 phase changes. Until I can get 2 good ones in I won't know if we can skip a brain phase by doing this (or how many hunters it would take). Also if hunters have to pull adds away from the tanks during P3, would BM not to produce better dps since you are out ranging Yog to do your job?

Also did you make sure to take away Improved tracking since it has no use on that fight? You also get nearly no steady shots off as Surv in this situation as welll, esp if you drop below 20 Sanity reaching a real danger zone.

 

Lupius

Oh I guess they fixed the bug where your pet simply despawns when you put it on yogg in phase 2 brain phase and phase 3. And I thought BM was useless for this fight...

Next week it's gonna be my glyphed aspect of the pack with 2/2 Pathfinding in the brain phase!

 

Beachwanderer

Delete, double post.

 

Beachwanderer

I had completely forgot about Pathfinding, what an excellent suggestion!

@ Esoth
I made the change of using kill shot 2/3 of the fight and see a dps gain of Kill Shot over Hawk for the BM build (this makes sense). Do you have any other suggestions on how to better model the dps loss due to turning around for gazes? Also do you think it is possible for Glyph of the Beast to find it's way into the build? Here is what I'm going with atm: 55/16/0

 

Criven

I've been playing around with the PTR version of Shandara's sheet (standard 53/13/5 - like Shandara's BM template but with one less point of frenzy and an extra point of mortal shots).

Basically, by switching out the gems in Shandara's default gear for AP, switching to Spiced Mammoth treats and speccing the pet BM with the 4 extra points. I've been able to get to within about 70 DPS of the out of the box MM template. (7042 vs. 6974)

Can someone confirm I haven't just screwed up, and if the MM template in the spreadsheet is anyway correct please?