Nooska

At that number of iterations I definately agree that those numbers will be better at determining the difference. So, back to my original "criticisms" - crit rates influence on the difference due to one more point in MS in the AiS build, I still think the jury is out. I would love to have another instant and a big one at that, but I still think we need to look at the scenario where only the AiS point is moved to eliminate the 1 point in mortal shots from being the changer rather than AiS itself. Where that point is to come from I'm not 100% certain, Imp. Tracking is the obvious choice as we only have those 5 points in the survival normally, but I wonder if this is actually the best place to take it from, I'm more in the lines of Cobra Shot for 2/3 CS instead of 3/3 CS - as I talked about earlier in this thread CS becomes worth less per point the more crit we have because we proc it more often and thus are more likely to have it go to waste.

 

Rosamonde

Sorry I didn't get to this earlier -- I have added it to the OP.

Cave canum...

Umala (hunter) / Argent Dawn
Rosamonde (mage) / Argent Dawn
Lisieau (priest) / Argent Dawn
I raid with <The Hand of Medivh> Argent Dawn.

 

ceelion22

I ran some talent changes and also noticed that Invigoration was giving me heeps of DPS over Longevity. Would anyone know why this is?

 

mako

It probably prevents you from needing to use AotV with the way you're set up. Make sure you have key buffs like JoW enabled before you try to calculate the value of mana talents.

It's called Bloodlust, not Heroism. What kind of pansy name is Heroism, anyway?
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ceelion22

Just tested again and even with all raid buffs activated it still showed a ~250dps increase with 2 points in Invigoration. The other thing I noticed was simply taking one point out of Longevity was giving a dps increase. Is this a bug or is there math behind this?

 

Nooska

I remember there previously having been discussion about removing 1 point from longevity. I think the theoretical increase you see comes from cooldowns lining up better and / or letting a focus starved pet get off more attacks total. Whether the theoretical increase equals a real increase depends partly on what part is weighted - i.e. if its a focus starved pet then it will imeediately become a real dps increase due to the pets ai getting to do more - if its "just" the cd's lining up better, then you will probably not see anything in a real environment if you have the cooldowns macroed together for instance.

In regards to the invigoration increase - what did the points for invig come out of? Invig will be a dps boost on any fight where you run out of mana and have to go to viper to regen - and it might be a bigger gain than the loss of whatever points you removed. This increase should be actual and directly visible in any real fight that follows the spreadsheet model (fightlength, buffs etc).