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Old 11/04/09, 7:05 PM   #421
Nachti
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Nachtpfeil
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I can't give you a link, and it's entirely possible that I don't recall it correctly. Thanks for your replies anyway. By the way, any tip on an addon for quickly selecting marked targets? We have an addon that sets raid icons on the marked guardians, but I have no idea how to select them very quickly other than clicking and hoping I target them on the first few clicks.

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Old 11/04/09, 10:05 PM   #422
Storytime
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Aggramar
Try MagicTargets-

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Old 11/05/09, 2:36 AM   #423
Rhy
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Maelstrom (EU)
The thing that I used when we did Yogg+0 is Aloft. I just read someone using it and gave it a go. I absolutely hate it and it is annoying to set up (at least for me) but it did the job. What it does is basically allowing you to increase the size of the marks on the nameplates which makes targeting a lot easier.

Oh and about BM, it is totally worth going for it. And if you have 4/5 T9 available it will be even better than it used to be. I used a devilsaur with the spec listen in the Best Possible DPS thread. My pet even got the killing blow on Yogg

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Old 11/05/09, 4:26 AM   #424
IceyDevil
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Zul'Jin
Originally Posted by Namarus View Post
For my guild's yogg 0 I used a Cunning pet. Solely because of the feeding frenzy talent.
FF gives 16% pet damage to yogg in his last phase, the devilsaur gets 9% always. He will probably out DPS a cunning pet anyway because of better talents (shark attack is another 6% damage, and he gets cotw), but he also does more DPS during the earlier parts of the fight. I would very sincerely doubt a cunning pet would beat a devilsaur. For MM and SV it may be totally worth it, the mana cooldown is good and they can't get shark attack anyway, so the DPS of a cunning pet may actually be higher for them. For BM, though, I'd have very serious doubts.

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Old 11/07/09, 2:46 PM   #425
Namarus
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Demon Soul
Originally Posted by IceyDevil View Post
FF gives 16% pet damage to yogg in his last phase, the devilsaur gets 9% always. He will probably out DPS a cunning pet anyway because of better talents (shark attack is another 6% damage, and he gets cotw), but he also does more DPS during the earlier parts of the fight. I would very sincerely doubt a cunning pet would beat a devilsaur. For MM and SV it may be totally worth it, the mana cooldown is good and they can't get shark attack anyway, so the DPS of a cunning pet may actually be higher for them. For BM, though, I'd have very serious doubts.
Valid points, but really in yogg 0, the only dps that matters is phase 3. The other phases are important, but not as important as the final stage. You need maximum burn, and I found that you can use volley pretty much the whole phase hitting yogg, and the adds, which adds a considerable amount of dps. You may, however, need the mana return a cunning pet gives.

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Old 11/10/09, 2:54 PM   #426
valiloramov
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Chromaggus (EU)
The main page seems a bit out of date now, is it possible for anyone to update it? Or is no-one going raiding as BM these days?

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Old 11/11/09, 6:33 PM   #427
puupi
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Has anyone tried a BM spec with a Bear pet on Anub 25 HC? Swipe+thunderstomp should be pretty neat for the AoE, but is the spec+pet worth using there?

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Old 11/12/09, 11:30 AM   #428
KraxisSingular
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Runetotem (EU)
I believe that pet Swipe is still limited to 3 targets. Thus the value might be somewhat limited. Also it really depends on what the guild needs. If the adds aren't an issue per se, then adding more AoE won't help a lot, then staying with a stronger single target Ferocity pet would be better.
If it is getting close every time and MM or Survival isn't an option you are willing to take, then I think a Bear pet could help. Timing BW with Burrowers lined up and it could get quite interesting to watch (Cobra Strikes do work with Thunderstomp and Swipe and everything are crits). But I doubt it would be better than MM or Survival for AoE.

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Old 11/12/09, 1:53 PM   #429
Juneko
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Ysera
Cunning pets cost you call of the wild, I don't see how they could ever make up for it.

If they manage to get the crit scaling in by 3.3 raptors should be an excellent pet. I have 40% crit unbuffed as bm I think, so that would pump up a pets crit to fairly high levels. Savage rend is a 30 second uptime, with the added bonus of doing more damage than bite. Last time I used a devilsaur monstrous bite did less damage than regular bite.

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Old 11/13/09, 9:47 AM   #430
DeavanSH
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Originally Posted by Juneko View Post
Cunning pets cost you call of the wild, I don't see how they could ever make up for it.

If they manage to get the crit scaling in by 3.3 raptors should be an excellent pet. I have 40% crit unbuffed as bm I think, so that would pump up a pets crit to fairly high levels. Savage rend is a 30 second uptime, with the added bonus of doing more damage than bite. Last time I used a devilsaur monstrous bite did less damage than regular bite.
As a reminder, pet scaling from hunter stats is not one for one, I'd guess pets would inherit about 1/3rd of the hunter's crit percent. (Which is still a nice boost.)(If this change really makes it in to 3.3.) The other major stat which might get inherited by the pet is ArP - this would be great for pets that have a physical special ability, but not as good for pets with magical damage specials like spirit beasts.

As for which pet, it would need testing, but remember that the devilsaur's monstrous bite is not just damage, it also applies a stacking damage buff on itself. This buff is what makes the devilsaur as good as it is.

Last edited by DeavanSH : 11/13/09 at 9:55 AM.

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Old 11/13/09, 3:59 PM   #431
Juneko
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Monstrous bite adds 3% damage per use stacking 3 times, but does less damage than regular bite.

Savage rend adds 10% damage for 30 seconds if it crits(1 minute cd, reduced by longevity), and does more damage than regular bite.

They both have their advantages, but as crit goes up the raptor gets better.

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Old 11/13/09, 4:59 PM   #432
Namarus
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Originally Posted by DeavanSH View Post
The other major stat which might get inherited by the pet is ArP - this would be great for pets that have a physical special ability, but not as good for pets with magical damage specials like spirit beasts.
GC has already stated that pets will not inherit ArP, since they are going to do away with ArP in the next expansion they see no need to waste time messing with it and pets.

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Old 11/13/09, 5:32 PM   #433
DeavanSH
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Silver Hand
Originally Posted by Juneko View Post
Monstrous bite adds 3% damage per use stacking 3 times, but does less damage than regular bite.

Savage rend adds 10% damage for 30 seconds if it crits(1 minute cd, reduced by longevity), and does more damage than regular bite.

They both have their advantages, but as crit goes up the raptor gets better.
The Monstrous Bite ability has a 10 second cooldown (reduced by longevity to 7 seconds) and will last for 12 seconds past the last monstrous bite.

So the question comes down to what is better? a 9% damage buff for the bulk of a fight or a 10% damage buff that has a 30 second uptime out of every 42 seconds (with longevity)? Remember the 10% damage bonus is presuming that the savage rend doesn't fail to crit.

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Old 11/27/09, 2:54 AM   #434
Nilaus
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What's the status of "Raiding as BM"?

This thread is rather inactive, which of course could be due to a number of reasons:
- No one raids as BM
- It is so simple that everything has been figured out
- BM specced hunters are inactive on EJ

I like the idea of raiding as BM, but being the proverbial red-headed step child among the DPSers in the raid is a guaranteed way to get benched.

Real men have infractions on their EJ account!

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Old 11/27/09, 1:43 PM   #435
fearstalker
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Originally Posted by Nilaus View Post
What's the status of "Raiding as BM"?

This thread is rather inactive, which of course could be due to a number of reasons:
- No one raids as BM
- It is so simple that everything has been figured out
- BM specced hunters are inactive on EJ

I like the idea of raiding as BM, but being the proverbial red-headed step child among the DPSers in the raid is a guaranteed way to get benched.
I think it still boils down to: Do you have a ret pally in the raid? If not, BM is still a nice addition for the damage buff. Got a ret pally? go MM instead.

What will need some real-world testing is if the added avoidance in 3.3 for pets helps close the gap for BM in real-world scenarios, since we are currently so gimped if the pet goes down.

I think the inactivity speaks to:

1) not as much to say until 3.3 hits
2) less activity by hunters overall

I am surprised there hasn't been more reports from the PTR, but, there haven't been many hunter changes lately.

Last edited by fearstalker : 11/27/09 at 1:48 PM.

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