Raiding with Beast Mastery in 3.3.3 and beyond - Page 30

Slager · 11/27/09, 1:52 PM

Unless they sneak in the crit/haste scaling to pets that was discussed at Blizzcon and in a few blue posts several months ago, BM will continue to lag behind the other specs in terms of raw damage/dps output. There just haven't been any serious PTR changes made otherwise that will alter the existing status quo of MM and SV superiority. As it stands now, Fearstalker nailed it right on the head; BM is acceptable if you don't have a Ret around but beyond that you'll better serve your guild by raiding as MM or SV.

Namarus · 12/04/09, 9:07 PM

Originally Posted by Slager

Unless they sneak in the crit/haste scaling to pets that was discussed at Blizzcon and in a few blue posts several months ago, BM will continue to lag behind the other specs in terms of raw damage/dps output. There just haven't been any serious PTR changes made otherwise that will alter the existing status quo of MM and SV superiority. As it stands now, Fearstalker nailed it right on the head; BM is acceptable if you don't have a Ret around but beyond that you'll better serve your guild by raiding as MM or SV.

I seriously doubt that. I believe that mages can now give the 3% damage buff on PTR.

Hagen · 12/06/09, 5:50 AM

Indeed:

Arcane
Arcane Empowerment: This talent now also grants 1/2/3% increased damage done by the mage’s party or raid for 10 seconds after the mage gets a critical strike with Arcane Explosion, Arcane Missiles, Arcane Barrage, or Arcane Blast. This effect is exclusive with Ferocious Inspiration and Sanctified Retribution.

stevorino · 12/22/09, 7:13 PM

Seems that Blizz is staying at the corrent situation with the BM. a pity.

Beast Mastery
It may not be great for raiding but is still good for leveling while both Marks and Surv are competitive for raiding. I wouldn't expect any big changes for now. (Source)

KraxisSingular · 12/26/09, 5:30 PM

A shame perhaps, but I understand that decision. There are considerably more troubled specs. The mentioned Sublety spec doesn't even have any area where it is better tan the other two specs. And I doubt I need to mention Elemental ( not that it can't be effective though).

We have two specs that work for raiding, which seems to be the norm for pures.

Tszyu · 01/07/10, 9:15 AM

I was wondering if anyone has taken into consideration the 2 piece tier 10 bonus and the increased attack speed of beast mastery hunters. The proc does not appear to have a cooldown and I was wondering if this could be significant enough to make BM more viable. Thoughts?

KraxisSingular · 01/07/10, 10:28 AM

Just plugged it in, and no, the higher uptime appears to be rather limited. It can't make up for the inherent less DPS of the spec. In fact the higher uptime, for me at least, more or less equalled out with Survival and MM having higher DPS to begin with, so the total gain was abut the same.

aeolyn · 01/16/10, 6:09 AM

I know I'm going to get burned at the stake for suggesting this: But what about using Rowan's Rifle of Silver Bullets as a catalyst to keep the T10 2-piece bonus up? It would fire insanely fast with its 2.10 weapon speed, Improved Aspect of the Hawk, and Serpent Swiftness.

If I recall correctly your weapon's speed has literally no bearing on Steady Shot's damage. So it would Steady for as much as any other gun of its ilevel; but give the benefit of keeping the +15% damage bonus on your pet a great deal more than the more traditional weapon alternatives. BM might be the one spec that can take advantage of the prot gun's crazy speed.

I don't know what the uptime boost would end up being. I'd plug it into the spreadsheet but its after 6AM here and I really need to pass out.

alienangel · 01/16/10, 4:30 PM

The uptime boost from Rowan's is quite significant, around 9% for me as MM, and 11% ish as BM. It's not enough to make the tank gun competitive with a 264 bow for me (may be for a dwarf), but it does massively increase its DPS potential. The latest spreadsheet does include it so someone familiar with BM speccing should probably try it out.

Also, I don't actually see the 2pcT10 bonus being applied on the Pet Calculations tab, and pet DPS actually seems to go down with the gun equipped which seems odd - if the sheet isn't accounting for the 15% damage boost to the pet, it is likely severely undervaluing Rowan's.

Starfox · 01/16/10, 7:42 PM

Originally Posted by alienangel

The uptime boost from Rowan's is quite significant, around 9% for me as MM, and 11% ish as BM. It's not enough to make the tank gun competitive with a 264 bow for me (may be for a dwarf), but it does massively increase its DPS potential. The latest spreadsheet does include it so someone familiar with BM speccing should probably try it out.

Also, I don't actually see the 2pcT10 bonus being applied on the Pet Calculations tab, and pet DPS actually seems to go down with the gun equipped which seems odd - if the sheet isn't accounting for the 15% damage boost to the pet, it is likely severely undervaluing Rowan's.

Fiddled around in SC with the idea
Hunter_T9_54_12_05.simc
4T9: 2t9+4t9
2T10: 2t9+2t10
only equipment changed was the ranged weapoy
So with 2T10 the tankgun seems to be just as good as zod's >:O

SimulationCraft for World of Warcraft release 3.3.0 ( iterations=9999, max_time=300, optimal_raid=1, smooth_rng=0 )

DPS Ranking:
  37916 100.0%  Raid
   9631  25.4%  Hunter_2T9_rowan
   9627  25.4%  Hunter_2T9_zod
   9410  24.8%  Hunter_4T9_zod
   9299  24.5%  Hunter_4T9_rowan

Player: Hunter_2T9_rowan night_elf hunter beast_mastery 80
  DPS: 9630.6  Error=3.9  Range=725  DPR=54.1  RPS=178.0/145.8  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=14662679
  Core Stats:  strength=386|129(59)  agility=1992|1549(1364)  stamina=1890|1420(1292)  intellect=858|676(586)  spirit=265|117(20)  health=25604|21344  mana=17636|14906
  Spell Stats:  power=280|0(0)  hit=13.28%|12.28%(322)  crit=31.33%|25.24%(807)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=11.78%|3.36%(110)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=8573|5272(2897)  hit=10.82%|9.82%(322)  crit=44.95%|34.63%(807)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=77.60%|77.60%(1086)  haste=6.46%|3.36%(110)
  Defense Stats:  armor=14298|11604(8506)  blockv=193|65(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=1.70%|1.70%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(34)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(34)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: bestial_wrath/steady_shot/the_hawk/mend_pet/feign_death
  Priorities:
    flask,type=endless_rage/food,type=blackened_dragonfin/hunters_mark/summon_pet
    auto_shot/snapshot_stats/kill_command,sync=bestial_wrath/bestial_wrath/aspect
    rapid_fire/kill_shot/serpent_sting/multi_shot/arcane_shot/steady_shot
  Actions:
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    kill_shot      Count=  3.9|16.43sec  DPE= 19059| 3%  DPET= 11550  DPR=  56.5  pDPS= 251  Miss=0.00%  Hit=11466|10262|13396  Crit=25958|22425|30152|52.4%
    multi_shot     Count= 26.0|11.62sec  DPE=  5957| 5%  DPET=  3610  DPR=  14.5  pDPS= 517  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3561|3140|4387  Crit= 8083| 7068| 9875|53.0%
    ranged         Count=248.5| 1.21sec  DPE=  3914|34%  DPET=  3249  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=3246  Miss=0.00%  Hit=2499|2204|3112  Crit= 5191| 4541| 6410|52.6%
    serpent_sting  Count= 18.8|16.40sec  DPE=  6516| 4%  DPET=  3949  DPR=  15.7  pDPS= 408  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=91  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=861|760|1055  CritTick=1786|1566|2174|52.6%
    steady_shot    Count= 89.0| 3.28sec  DPE=  4554|14%  DPET=  2760  DPR=  19.4  pDPS=1353  Miss=0.00%  Hit=2739|2251|3300  Crit= 6198| 5067| 7428|52.5%
   wolf  (DPS=3221.7)
    bite           Count=250.4| 1.20sec  DPE=  1464|13%  DPET=  1220  DPR=  58.5  pDPS=1223  Miss=0.00%  Hit= 942| 707|2467  Crit= 1897| 1414| 4934|54.7%
    melee          Count=389.6| 0.77sec  DPE=  1537|21%  DPET=  2000  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1999  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1227| 927|2196  Crit= 2453| 1855| 4392|31.3%  Glance= 920|24.0%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/culling_the_herd/divine_spirit
  Constant Buffs: fortitude/heroic_presence/mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    aspect_of_the_hawk          : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    beast_within                : start=5.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 70.9|70.9   uptime=17%  benefit=16%
    bloodlust                   : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%  benefit=15%
    call_of_the_wild            : start=2.0   refresh=0.0    interval=210.1|210.1  uptime= 7%  benefit= 7%
    cobra_strikes               : start=35.3  refresh=6.4    interval=  8.3|7.0    uptime=22%  benefit=32%  trigger=60%
    deaths_verdict              : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 46.5|46.5   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    deaths_verdict              : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 46.5|46.5   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    furious_howl                : start=11.0  refresh=0.0    interval= 28.8|28.8   uptime=71%  benefit=71%
    improved_aspect_of_the_hawk : start=10.3  refresh=14.3   interval= 28.9|11.7   uptime=55%  benefit=57%  trigger=10%
    rapid_fire                  : start=1.2   refresh=0.0    interval=300.6|300.6  uptime= 5%  benefit= 6%
    tier10_2pc                  : start=8.4   refresh=4.0    interval= 34.3|22.4   uptime=34%  benefit=34%  trigger= 5%
  Procs:
    144.8 |   2.06sec : judgement_of_wisdom
  Gains:
     6523.9 : blessing_of_wisdom 
    17636.0 : initial_mana       
    12024.9 : invigoration       
    14589.3 : judgement_of_wisdom
    10541.8 : replenishment      
  Pet "wolf" Gains:
     2616.1 : focus_regen        (overflow=28.7%)
     3845.7 : go_for_the_throat  (overflow=28.1%)

Player: Hunter_2T9_zod night_elf hunter beast_mastery 80
  DPS: 9627.2  Error=3.9  Range=732  DPR=54.1  RPS=178.0/153.9  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=14662679
  Core Stats:  strength=343|90(20)  agility=2030|1583(1398)  stamina=1862|1394(1266)  intellect=858|676(586)  spirit=265|117(20)  health=25324|21084  mana=17636|14906
  Spell Stats:  power=280|0(0)  hit=12.28%|11.28%(296)  crit=31.33%|25.24%(807)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=11.78%|3.36%(110)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=8619|5306(2897)  hit=10.03%|9.03%(296)  crit=45.41%|35.04%(807)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=77.60%|77.60%(1086)  haste=6.46%|3.36%(110)
  Defense Stats:  armor=14374|11672(8506)  blockv=172|45(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=1.70%|1.70%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: bestial_wrath/steady_shot/the_hawk/mend_pet/feign_death
  Priorities:
    flask,type=endless_rage/food,type=blackened_dragonfin/hunters_mark/summon_pet
    auto_shot/snapshot_stats/kill_command,sync=bestial_wrath/bestial_wrath/aspect
    rapid_fire/kill_shot/serpent_sting/multi_shot/arcane_shot/steady_shot
  Actions:
    arcane_shot      Count= 39.5| 7.54sec  DPE=  4774| 7%  DPET=  2893  DPR=  20.7  pDPS= 630  Miss=0.00%  Hit=2853|2533|3633  Crit= 6479| 5700| 8178|53.0%
    kill_shot        Count=  3.9|16.43sec  DPE= 19948| 3%  DPET= 12086  DPR=  59.1  pDPS= 263  Miss=0.00%  Hit=11927|10517|14053  Crit=27013|23673|31630|53.2%
    multi_shot       Count= 26.0|11.62sec  DPE=  6365| 6%  DPET=  3858  DPR=  15.5  pDPS= 552  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3804|3408|4706  Crit= 8624| 7671|10591|53.1%
    ranged           Count=176.2| 1.71sec  DPE=  5322|33%  DPET=  3136  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=3131  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3389|3025|4276  Crit= 7042| 6231| 8808|52.9%
    serpent_sting    Count= 18.7|16.40sec  DPE=  6472| 4%  DPET=  3922  DPR=  15.5  pDPS= 405  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=91  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=853|762|1058  CritTick=1768|1571|2180|53.1%
    steady_shot      Count= 89.0| 3.28sec  DPE=  4467|14%  DPET=  2708  DPR=  19.0  pDPS=1328  Miss=0.00%  Hit=2678|2228|3271  Crit= 6062| 5015| 7363|52.9%
    zods_quick_shot  Count= 14.0|20.80sec  DPE=  2772| 1%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 129  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1657|1478|2085  Crit= 3761| 3326| 4692|53.0%
   wolf  (DPS=3188.2)
    bite             Count=250.1| 1.20sec  DPE=  1450|13%  DPET=  1209  DPR=  58.0  pDPS=1211  Miss=0.00%  Hit= 932| 708|2471  Crit= 1877| 1417| 5060|54.8%
    melee            Count=389.6| 0.77sec  DPE=  1521|21%  DPET=  1979  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1978  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1215| 930|2201  Crit= 2428| 1860| 4401|31.3%  Glance= 911|24.0%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: heroic_presence/mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    aspect_of_the_hawk          : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    beast_within                : start=5.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 70.9|70.9   uptime=17%  benefit=16%
    bloodlust                   : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%  benefit=15%
    call_of_the_wild            : start=2.0   refresh=0.0    interval=210.2|210.2  uptime= 7%  benefit= 7%
    cobra_strikes               : start=35.6  refresh=6.5    interval=  8.3|7.0    uptime=21%  benefit=33%  trigger=60%
    culling_the_herd            : start=1.8   refresh=135.4  interval=120.1|2.2    uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    deaths_verdict              : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 46.7|46.7   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    deaths_verdict              : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 46.7|46.7   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    furious_howl                : start=11.0  refresh=0.0    interval= 28.8|28.8   uptime=71%  benefit=71%
    improved_aspect_of_the_hawk : start=9.6   refresh=7.9    interval= 30.5|16.2   uptime=44%  benefit=45%  trigger=10%
    rapid_fire                  : start=1.2   refresh=0.0    interval=300.6|300.6  uptime= 5%  benefit= 6%
    tier10_2pc                  : start=6.7   refresh=2.1    interval= 41.8|30.6   uptime=26%  benefit=25%  trigger= 5%
  Procs:
    169.4 |   1.82sec : judgement_of_wisdom
  Gains:
     6513.9 : blessing_of_wisdom 
    17636.0 : initial_mana       
    12005.8 : invigoration       
    17055.1 : judgement_of_wisdom
    10528.7 : replenishment      
  Pet "wolf" Gains:
     2933.5 : focus_regen        (overflow=20.0%)
     3518.7 : go_for_the_throat  (overflow=23.7%)

Player: Hunter_4T9_rowan night_elf hunter beast_mastery 80
  DPS: 9298.9  Error=2.8  Range=544  DPR=52.3  RPS=178.0/145.9  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=14662679
  Core Stats:  strength=386|129(59)  agility=1992|1549(1364)  stamina=1890|1420(1292)  intellect=858|676(586)  spirit=265|117(20)  health=25604|21344  mana=17636|14906
  Spell Stats:  power=280|0(0)  hit=13.28%|12.28%(322)  crit=31.33%|25.24%(807)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=11.78%|3.36%(110)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=8573|5272(2897)  hit=10.82%|9.82%(322)  crit=44.95%|34.63%(807)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=77.60%|77.60%(1086)  haste=6.46%|3.36%(110)
  Defense Stats:  armor=14298|11604(8506)  blockv=193|65(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=1.70%|1.70%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(34)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(34)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: bestial_wrath/steady_shot/the_hawk/mend_pet/feign_death
  Priorities:
    flask,type=endless_rage/food,type=blackened_dragonfin/hunters_mark/summon_pet
    auto_shot/snapshot_stats/kill_command,sync=bestial_wrath/bestial_wrath/aspect
    rapid_fire/kill_shot/serpent_sting/multi_shot/arcane_shot/steady_shot
  Actions:
    arcane_shot    Count= 39.5| 7.54sec  DPE=  4571| 6%  DPET=  2770  DPR=  19.9  pDPS= 603  Miss=0.00%  Hit=2738|2524|3150  Crit= 6221| 5680| 7089|52.6%
    kill_shot      Count=  3.9|16.43sec  DPE= 18079| 3%  DPET= 10957  DPR=  53.6  pDPS= 238  Miss=0.00%  Hit=10832|9963|11649  Crit=24568|22425|26219|52.8%
    multi_shot     Count= 26.0|11.61sec  DPE=  5673| 5%  DPET=  3438  DPR=  13.8  pDPS= 492  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3391|3140|3815  Crit= 7694| 7068| 8587|53.0%
    ranged         Count=248.4| 1.21sec  DPE=  3731|33%  DPET=  3096  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=3093  Miss=0.00%  Hit=2383|2204|2706  Crit= 4950| 4541| 5574|52.5%
    serpent_sting  Count= 18.8|16.40sec  DPE=  6206| 4%  DPET=  3761  DPR=  14.9  pDPS= 388  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=91  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=820|760|918  CritTick=1701|1566|1890|52.6%
    steady_shot    Count= 89.0| 3.28sec  DPE=  4332|14%  DPET=  2625  DPR=  18.4  pDPS=1287  Miss=0.00%  Hit=2604|2251|2870  Crit= 5895| 5067| 6459|52.5%
   wolf  (DPS=3196.5)
    bite           Count=250.4| 1.20sec  DPE=  1446|13%  DPET=  1205  DPR=  57.8  pDPS=1208  Miss=0.00%  Hit= 927| 707|2304  Crit= 1875| 1414| 4608|54.7%
    melee          Count=389.6| 0.77sec  DPE=  1530|21%  DPET=  1990  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1989  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1220| 927|2140  Crit= 2441| 1855| 4280|31.3%  Glance= 916|23.9%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: heroic_presence/mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    aspect_of_the_hawk          : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    beast_within                : start=5.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 70.9|70.9   uptime=17%  benefit=16%
    bloodlust                   : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%  benefit=15%
    call_of_the_wild            : start=2.0   refresh=0.0    interval=210.1|210.1  uptime= 7%  benefit= 7%
    cobra_strikes               : start=35.3  refresh=6.4    interval=  8.3|7.0    uptime=22%  benefit=32%  trigger=60%
    culling_the_herd            : start=1.8   refresh=135.2  interval=121.7|2.2    uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    deaths_verdict              : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 46.5|46.5   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    deaths_verdict              : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 46.5|46.5   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    furious_howl                : start=11.0  refresh=0.0    interval= 28.8|28.8   uptime=71%  benefit=71%
    improved_aspect_of_the_hawk : start=10.2  refresh=14.2   interval= 28.9|11.7   uptime=55%  benefit=57%  trigger=10%
    rapid_fire                  : start=1.2   refresh=0.0    interval=300.6|300.6  uptime= 5%  benefit= 6%
  Procs:
    144.9 |   2.06sec : judgement_of_wisdom
  Gains:
     6524.6 : blessing_of_wisdom 
    17636.0 : initial_mana       
    12059.9 : invigoration       
    14595.3 : judgement_of_wisdom
    10543.1 : replenishment      
  Pet "wolf" Gains:
     2617.3 : focus_regen        (overflow=28.6%)
     3844.6 : go_for_the_throat  (overflow=28.1%)

Player: Hunter_4T9_zod night_elf hunter beast_mastery 80
  DPS: 9410.2  Error=3.1  Range=607  DPR=52.9  RPS=178.0/154.0  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=14662679
  Core Stats:  strength=343|90(20)  agility=2030|1583(1398)  stamina=1862|1394(1266)  intellect=858|676(586)  spirit=265|117(20)  health=25324|21084  mana=17636|14906
  Spell Stats:  power=280|0(0)  hit=12.28%|11.28%(296)  crit=31.33%|25.24%(807)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=11.78%|3.36%(110)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=8619|5306(2897)  hit=10.03%|9.03%(296)  crit=45.41%|35.04%(807)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=77.60%|77.60%(1086)  haste=6.46%|3.36%(110)
  Defense Stats:  armor=14374|11672(8506)  blockv=172|45(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=1.70%|1.70%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: bestial_wrath/steady_shot/the_hawk/mend_pet/feign_death
  Priorities:
    flask,type=endless_rage/food,type=blackened_dragonfin/hunters_mark/summon_pet
    auto_shot/snapshot_stats/kill_command,sync=bestial_wrath/bestial_wrath/aspect
    rapid_fire/kill_shot/serpent_sting/multi_shot/arcane_shot/steady_shot
  Actions:
    arcane_shot      Count= 39.5| 7.54sec  DPE=  4601| 6%  DPET=  2788  DPR=  20.0  pDPS= 607  Miss=0.00%  Hit=2747|2533|3160  Crit= 6240| 5700| 7111|53.1%
    kill_shot        Count=  3.9|16.44sec  DPE= 19193| 3%  DPET= 11631  DPR=  56.9  pDPS= 253  Miss=0.00%  Hit=11423|10517|12220  Crit=25890|23673|27504|53.7%
    multi_shot       Count= 26.0|11.61sec  DPE=  6144| 6%  DPET=  3724  DPR=  14.9  pDPS= 533  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3665|3408|4092  Crit= 8309| 7671| 9210|53.4%
    ranged           Count=176.3| 1.71sec  DPE=  5136|32%  DPET=  3027  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=3022  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3271|3025|3718  Crit= 6796| 6231| 7659|52.9%
    serpent_sting    Count= 18.8|16.40sec  DPE=  6230| 4%  DPET=  3776  DPR=  15.0  pDPS= 390  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=91  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=822|762|920  CritTick=1705|1571|1895|52.8%
    steady_shot      Count= 89.0| 3.28sec  DPE=  4303|14%  DPET=  2608  DPR=  18.3  pDPS=1279  Miss=0.00%  Hit=2579|2228|2844  Crit= 5836| 5015| 6402|52.9%
    zods_quick_shot  Count= 14.0|20.82sec  DPE=  2680| 1%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 125  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1598|1478|1813  Crit= 3627| 3326| 4080|53.3%
   wolf  (DPS=3199.7)
    bite             Count=250.1| 1.20sec  DPE=  1448|13%  DPET=  1207  DPR=  57.9  pDPS=1209  Miss=0.00%  Hit= 929| 708|2366  Crit= 1876| 1417| 4732|54.9%
    melee            Count=389.6| 0.77sec  DPE=  1531|21%  DPET=  1992  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1992  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1223| 930|2144  Crit= 2445| 1860| 4288|31.2%  Glance= 917|24.0%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: heroic_presence/mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    aspect_of_the_hawk          : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    beast_within                : start=5.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 70.9|70.9   uptime=17%  benefit=16%
    bloodlust                   : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%  benefit=15%
    call_of_the_wild            : start=2.0   refresh=0.0    interval=210.2|210.2  uptime= 7%  benefit= 7%
    cobra_strikes               : start=35.6  refresh=6.6    interval=  8.2|6.9    uptime=21%  benefit=33%  trigger=60%
    culling_the_herd            : start=1.8   refresh=135.4  interval=121.4|2.2    uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    deaths_verdict              : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 46.7|46.7   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    deaths_verdict              : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 46.7|46.7   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    furious_howl                : start=11.0  refresh=0.0    interval= 28.8|28.8   uptime=71%  benefit=71%
    improved_aspect_of_the_hawk : start=9.6   refresh=7.9    interval= 30.5|16.2   uptime=44%  benefit=45%  trigger=10%
    rapid_fire                  : start=1.2   refresh=0.0    interval=300.6|300.6  uptime= 5%  benefit= 6%
  Procs:
    169.5 |   1.82sec : judgement_of_wisdom
  Gains:
     6514.0 : blessing_of_wisdom 
    17636.0 : initial_mana       
    12012.3 : invigoration       
    17065.7 : judgement_of_wisdom
    10529.2 : replenishment      
  Pet "wolf" Gains:
     2930.9 : focus_regen        (overflow=20.1%)
     3521.9 : go_for_the_throat  (overflow=23.8%)

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: abominations_might/arcane_empowerment/battle_shout/bleeding/blood_frenzy/blood_plague/crypt_fever
  Constant: curse_of_elements/devotion_aura/earth_and_moon/ebon_plaguebringer/elemental_oath/expose_armor/faerie_fire
  Constant: ferocious_inspiration/flametongue_totem/frost_fever/heart_of_the_crusader/horn_of_winter/hunters_mark
  Constant: improved_faerie_fire/improved_icy_talons/improved_moonkin/improved_scorch/improved_shadow_bolt
  Constant: infected_wounds/insect_swarm/judgement_of_wisdom/judgements_of_the_just/leader_of_the_pack
  Constant: mana_spring_totem/mangle/master_poisoner/misery/moonkin/poisoned/rampage/sanctified_retribution
  Constant: savage_combat/strength_of_earth/sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap/totem_of_wrath
  Constant: totem_of_wrath_debuff/trauma/trueshot/unleashed_rage/windfury_totem/winters_chill/wrath_of_air
  Dynamic:

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 79972605
  MaxEventQueue = 93
  TargetHealth  = 11370632
  SimSeconds    = 2999482
  CpuSeconds    = 32.856
  SpeedUp       = 91292

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=1.000436 Range=1.000000 Gauss=0.999738

aeolyn · 01/16/10, 7:45 PM

Post erased; beaten to it. It looks like you used a Night Elf Hunter for the test template. If you happened to be a Dwarf you'd skew this even further in favor of Rowan's. This is getting to be kind of hilarious for a tanking weapon.

KraxisSingular · 01/17/10, 5:40 AM

Well, it isn't that surprising really since BM is much less dependant on weaponspeed than the other specs (only Multishot and less personal damage overall). Meanwhile overall weapon DPS is still quite important for Steady Shot. And we all know the stats on ranged weapons are quite small, and as such the impact is much less.

Not surprising perhaps, but not really nice either.

fearstalker · 01/22/10, 9:14 PM

Thanks for the math on Rowan's, I'm gonna give one a try. The extra stam on the gun will help our pets, but here's a question.. Do our pets get the dodge from us? If so, it would further help our pets.

I'm looking at this since I'm not guilded at the moment, so chances of getting any 264 weapons are slim to none right now. Despite it not really being a hunter weapon, it's certainly better than a 232 one. Also going to spend the G on the crafted boots.

The extra hit on Rowan's will also allow me to switch to Dwarf from Dranei, so i'll get the added dwarf gun benefit.

Originally Posted by KraxisSingular

Not surprising perhaps, but not really nice either.

Well, if you are actively raiding ICC25, and perhaps even ICC10, then yes I agree. But if you are just pugging raids at the moment, then it is quite a nice upgrade if G isn't an issue for you. And at ~5k, it's certainly a better bargain of a dps upgrade (about +70dps or more for me) than ~15k for the crafted boots (which I am going to get as well... :-)

DeavanSH · 01/23/10, 1:50 PM

Originally Posted by aeolyn

I know I'm going to get burned at the stake for suggesting this: But what about using Rowan's Rifle of Silver Bullets as a catalyst to keep the T10 2-piece bonus up? It would fire insanely fast with its 2.10 weapon speed, Improved Aspect of the Hawk, and Serpent Swiftness.

If I recall correctly your weapon's speed has literally no bearing on Steady Shot's damage. So it would Steady for as much as any other gun of its ilevel; but give the benefit of keeping the +15% damage bonus on your pet a great deal more than the more traditional weapon alternatives. BM might be the one spec that can take advantage of the prot gun's crazy speed.

I don't know what the uptime boost would end up being. I'd plug it into the spreadsheet but its after 6AM here and I really need to pass out.

First on Steady Shot, the weapon speed doesn't have a direct bearing on the damage for Steady Shot, however there is a relationship based on the unmodified weapon damage. Take the ilevel 164 weapons:

Rowan's Rifle of Silver Bullets - 2.1 Speed, 255dps, 406-665 Damage
Zod's Repeating Longbow - 2.8 Speed, 255dps, 541-887 Damage
Njordnar Bone Bow(Heroic) - 2.9 Speed, 253.1dps, 555-913 Damage
Stakethrower(Heroic) - 3.0 Speed, 253.2dps, 575-945 Damage

So, as your ranged weapon speed gets slower, the range for the unmodified weapon damage goes up, making the Heroic Stakethrower do more damage with Steady Shot. Also, the attack power from each ranged weapon is factored in to the damage of Steady Shot and in this case for the above list, the slower the weapon, the more RAP it has. This of course needs to be balanced against other abilities, talents and procs.

As for the 2pcT10 bonus, I just looked at the webstats for last week and this week. Uptime was as follows:

Boss - Last Week, This Week
Lord Marrowgar - 10%, 17%
Lady Deathwhisper - 25%, 28%
Deathbringer Saurfang - 14%, 22%
Festergut - 32%, 35%
Rotface -25%, 12%

This was with Zod's at a speed of 2.0 from talents and haste. The only difference in gear was the Ashen Band of Unmatched Vengeance for last week and Endless Vengeance for this week.

Based on both the steady shot damage and the randomness of the 2pc procs, I'm not sure that trying for a faster weapon for more procs from the 2pcT10 is worthwhile. I'd rather have the guaranteed larger hits from a slower weapon. Also, based on the spreadsheet (93f), my theoretical dps with the above weapons goes up as the base weapon speed gets slower.

Lactose · 01/23/10, 2:31 PM

Steady Shot's damage contribution from weapon speed is normalized to 2.8.