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Old 02/11/12, 2:37 PM   #826
Rivkah
King Hippo
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Stormrage
I've added pre-pot support to the site (with a 1 sec reduction in duration for the prepot). Currently it is not enabled by default when you do best raid buffs, but I'm considering adding it to that since on most fights if you'd be bothering to pot you'd probably want to also prepot.

I still need to catch up on some of the other requests I've been getting over the last few weeks- I'll try to do that over the weekend if I can.

Gada, my instinct tells me that at most your suggestion would be at most minimal gain if not a loss (since you do lose the BA tick damage and push back all future BA) and a fairly large amount of micromanagement. There is normally only a 4 second window in which BA is not applied to our target out of every 24 seconds.

The best I can suggest is to setup Simcraft to see if it can reproduce those mechanics. If it turns out to be a noticable gain in Simcraft I'm happy to try to implement it on the site, but complicated rotation mechanics aren't easy to add so I'd rather not do it unless I can see evidence that it would be worthwhile, and Simcraft already has support for the more complex rules that would be needed to simulate this case I believe.

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Old 02/11/12, 4:40 PM   #827
Gada
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Hunter
 
Auchindoun (EU)
I dont think it will be a huge dps loss, even if you delay it by ~8 seconds, which was the maximum i had , getting an extra LnL of the same BA is way more damage than the 4 ticks you would lose, even if they were all crits. Unfortunately i have no idea as to how to reproduce that in Simcraft.

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Old 02/11/12, 6:20 PM   #828
Rivkah
King Hippo
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Stormrage
Gada, I have a simple script that simulates LnL frequency, so I modified it to test your theory. I ran it for 60000000 seconds worth of fight time.

With standard behavior (i.e. firing BA on CD):
LnL per min: 2.9999649500006
BA Tick per min: 25.000000583333

With your suggested behavior (delaying BA till the ICD on LnL is up):
LnL per min: 3.0095089498415
Tick per min: 24.324745594588

So basically over an extremely long period of time you gain about .00954 LnL procs per minute and sacrifice about .67525 BA ticks per min. Based on those numbers, I don't see an indication that it'd be worth micromanaging.

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Old 02/27/12, 1:08 AM   #829
Rivkah
King Hippo
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Stormrage
I added support for the tricks of the trade to the buff list on the site. This buff will not be enabled by default when enabling best raid buffs (since it's a single target buff), you need to turn it on manually if you want it included in your calculations. I also filed a bug report on the WoW forums since I verified that pets do not inherit the tricks of the trade damage buff from the hunter (unlike the 3% dmg raid buff).

I also updated the default specs as they were pretty out of date.

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Old 02/29/12, 5:53 PM   #830
gexstar
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Death Knight
 
Mug'thol (EU)
Hey guys, im kinda wondering if FD considers the T13 4p bonus. Or is it just really weak ?

I have the choice between 397 Morchok Gauntlets and the 384 Set Gloves which would grand me the 4p bonus.
I put it into Femalde Dwarf and it says its a 130 DPS downgrade... does the bunch of agi on the 397 gaunts really outweigh a 30% (!) haste proc for 15 secs ?

Couldnt believe that so i ran it through simcraft... and simcraft said its an increase of about 300 DPS.

I already heard that FD isnt that great for calculating haste values... but thats a kinda large difference between simcraft and FD.

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Old 03/01/12, 5:57 PM   #831
Whitefyst
King Hippo
 
Orc Hunter
 
Draenor
Originally Posted by gexstar View Post
Hey guys, im kinda wondering if FD considers the T13 4p bonus. Or is it just really weak ?

I have the choice between 397 Morchok Gauntlets and the 384 Set Gloves which would grand me the 4p bonus.
I put it into Femalde Dwarf and it says its a 130 DPS downgrade... does the bunch of agi on the 397 gaunts really outweigh a 30% (!) haste proc for 15 secs ?

Couldnt believe that so i ran it through simcraft... and simcraft said its an increase of about 300 DPS.

I already heard that FD isnt that great for calculating haste values... but thats a kinda large difference between simcraft and FD.
Actually, of any type of dynamic effect modeled in FD, FD generally handles haste effects the most accurately since it applies the haste over the applicable periods after determining a proc has occurred. If you enable the setting to see debug data, you can clearly see when FD models the T13 4P proc occurring. It is shows as "T13 4pc" in the Notes column of the shot simulation table.

Also in the gear bonuses section, it estimates the benefit of the T13 4pc for your set up. For my hunter as SV, the estimate is +585 DPS.

I already have the T13 4P and the gloves to which you refer (the heroic version in fact). With keeping my 4pc as is and comparing my DPS between the 397 version of the Morchok gloves and the LFR tier gloves I see the following DPS drop of 368, after adjusting my stats via reforging, especially to make up for the large swing in hit rating between the two pieces. Since the DPS difference in the benefit of teh T13 4pc is small between the two cases and both still well over 500 DPS. Thus, for my hunter as SV having the LFR tier gloves to get the T13 4pc is about 175 DPS better than the 397 off-tier gloves.

For MM, the benefit of the T13 4P is even larger as long as you can use that haste proc to fire more AIs instead of ASs.

I do not know much about BM, but I believe that the BM case will see similar results with the 4pc winning.

If you are not getting similar results in FD, I would suggest making sure that you have it set up properly and that you are properly adjusting reforges after gear swaps.

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Old 03/04/12, 1:38 PM   #832
Goldengiff
Von Kaiser
 
Worgen Hunter
 
Tichondrius
Was taking a look at Vial of Shadows on FD and the proc is still listed for the pre-patch damage. Wondering if it's been updated.

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Old 03/04/12, 3:07 PM   #833
Rivkah
King Hippo
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Stormrage
Originally Posted by Goldengiff View Post
Was taking a look at Vial of Shadows on FD and the proc is still listed for the pre-patch damage. Wondering if it's been updated.
I don't actually have the trinket so I can't test it myself, and I've not had much luck finding the updated data on it (i.e. the new ICD and if the AP scaling has changed). If you know what it is I can update. Since they had said they were trying to keep the total damage the same but just changing the frequency of proc I'm assuming the current calculations aren't far off, but obviously it'd be better to update it if I can get those values.

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Old 03/21/12, 3:05 PM   #834
Goldengiff
Von Kaiser
 
Worgen Hunter
 
Tichondrius
A lot of hunters have been using rotating pets on heroic spine for burn phases on the tendon. Would it be possible with the current site mechanics to model rotating ferocity pets to gain more Call of the Wilds?

If you have 4 ferocity pets you could have 1 CotW every minute, at the cost of 3sec of not dpsing to switch pets. It may not be worth the headache of coding it all out to see if it's a dps increase but I figure it can't hurt to ask.

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