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Old 08/21/09, 7:28 AM   #76
Nekondas
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Tauren Hunter
 
Burning Legion (EU)
Rivkah, any chance to add [Pauldrons of the Devourer] to shoulder database ?

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Old 08/21/09, 2:50 PM   #77
Rivkah
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Pauldrons of the Devourer are in there, they're under Epaulets/Pauldrons of the Devourer. Because of the whole horde/alliance version thing we have going in this latest patch, I've just combined the listing for both versions of the items, which may mean unfortunately that you might need to hunt for the names occasionally but I figured that was better than having everything in the list twice, plus it means that if you're looking at someone else's armory who's a diffferent faction you'd get both item names in the selection.

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Old 08/28/09, 4:54 AM   #78
 Varance
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Cho'gall
Small bug in regards to Mjolnir Runestone:

"Equip Bonus: Your melee and ranged attacks have a chance to increase your armor penetration rating by 612 for 10 sec."

As of live 3.2, the proc is 665 ArPen for 10 seconds. [Mjolnir Runestone]

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Working off of some of the other high DPS builds in the public list, I came up with two new public profiles called "MM 258 BiS agi crit gem build" and "SV 258 BiS agi crit gem build". Besides different specs and a trinket swap (Mjolnir and Heroic Death's for MM, double Death's for SV), both profiles use the same exact gemming and gear yet manage to come up with 11012.93 DPS for SV and 10986.07 DPS for MM *without* min/maxing for ArPen gems - providing better performance in movement and less-than-ideal conditions.

Last edited by Varance : 08/28/09 at 5:06 AM.

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Old 08/28/09, 6:04 AM   #79
Jugglernaut
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Originally Posted by Varance View Post
Small bug in regards to Mjolnir Runestone:

"Equip Bonus: Your melee and ranged attacks have a chance to increase your armor penetration rating by 612 for 10 sec."

As of live 3.2, the proc is 665 ArPen for 10 seconds. [Mjolnir Runestone]

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Working off of some of the other high DPS builds in the public list, I came up with two new public profiles called "MM 258 BiS agi crit gem build" and "SV 258 BiS agi crit gem build". Besides different specs and a trinket swap (Mjolnir and Heroic Death's for MM, double Death's for SV), both profiles use the same exact gemming and gear yet manage to come up with 11012.93 DPS for SV and 10986.07 DPS for MM *without* min/maxing for ArPen gems - providing better performance in movement and less-than-ideal conditions.

You can't use 2x Deaths verdict.

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Old 08/28/09, 2:35 PM   #80
Rivkah
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Varance, thanks for letting me know. The Mjolnir Runestone proc data had the correct amount in the calculations, so it wasn't affecting dps, I just had forgotten to change the text description when I fixed the ArPen value awhile back. It's fixed now.

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Old 08/28/09, 4:05 PM   #81
 Varance
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Originally Posted by Jugglernaut View Post
You can't use 2x Deaths verdict.
I had seen a lot of profiles doing that, wasn't sure if it actually worked as I know some of the others have unique (trinketname) but Death's doesn't. Greatness and heroic Death's works fine for SV, generating 10918.28 DPS (still very close).

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Old 08/29/09, 2:20 AM   #82
Rivkah
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Stormrage
I've added a link on the gear section to view the entire list of items supported by the site. This should hopefully help if anyone thinks there's an item stat discrepancy. It will also allow for searching of the list in case you run into the alliance/horde name issue, which I'm still trying to come up with a better solution for.

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Old 08/29/09, 2:21 PM   #83
Alduin
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Undead Warrior
 
Gorgonnash (EU)
Originally Posted by Varance View Post
Small bug in regards to Mjolnir Runestone:

"Equip Bonus: Your melee and ranged attacks have a chance to increase your armor penetration rating by 612 for 10 sec."

As of live 3.2, the proc is 665 ArPen for 10 seconds. [Mjolnir Runestone]

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Working off of some of the other high DPS builds in the public list, I came up with two new public profiles called "MM 258 BiS agi crit gem build" and "SV 258 BiS agi crit gem build". Besides different specs and a trinket swap (Mjolnir and Heroic Death's for MM, double Death's for SV), both profiles use the same exact gemming and gear yet manage to come up with 11012.93 DPS for SV and 10986.07 DPS for MM *without* min/maxing for ArPen gems - providing better performance in movement and less-than-ideal conditions.

If I use [] Use Rotation test your build went down to 10500DPS (MM). Same with some Dwarf and N11 ARP.

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Old 09/01/09, 4:34 PM   #84
Riqi
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Night Elf Rogue
 
The Venture Co
Bandit's Insignia

Maybe a dumb question, but is Bandit's Insignia being calculated correctly? In checking one player, it had an increase of over 100 dps when compared to DMC:G, and had an increase of 56 dps over DMC:G for my own hunter.

Is the proc alone really worth 236.98 dps, or is that a typo of 36.98 dps (which seems to be a more reasonable value)?

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Old 09/01/09, 4:43 PM   #85
Cinderglow
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Frostwolf
Having a Dragon's Eye in the Belt Buckle causes the gear sorter to not recognize that you are wearing a 3rd Dragon's Eye and all subsquent upgrades for all slots suggest filling that 3rd Dragon's Eye slot.

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Old 09/01/09, 5:52 PM   #86
Sappalicious
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Doomhammer
Thanks for much for this tool. It's awesome.

Quick question on saving.

When I hit save settings it just sits there. I cannot get it to save for public viewing.

I'm using I.E. 7 with security set to lowest level.

Is there a known bug with saving from I.E. 7?

Thanks for your help.

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Old 09/02/09, 12:25 AM   #87
Rivkah
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Stormrage
Riqi this was a recent bug because caused by a change to the way crit buffs were handled, the spell crit used by some proc trinkets was being calculated improperly. I've fixed it, let me know if you're still having issues.

Cinderglow I'm guessing that the issue you're reporting is on the hunterloot.com site? I don't do the upgrade recommendations on my own site, you should send the hunterloot.com author a note about that.

Sappalicious I heard another person was having issues saving earlier today but they were able to later in the day. I don't have IE7 so I can't test (IE8 in compatibility mode isn't giving me issues). Have you tried another browser? Have you tried logging out and back in and doing a fresh reload? Send me a PM with more details if you are still having issues.

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Old 09/04/09, 10:53 AM   #88
Exilon
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Draka
Fantastic tool - would be great to see a non-spreadsheet tool like this for other classes

I am having issues getting it to pull my pet's name - I would guess due to a umlaut (Sköll)
Not a big deal as I have a second Cat w/ similar DPS, but just thought I would mention it.

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Old 09/05/09, 3:24 AM   #89
Rivkah
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Dwarf Hunter
 
Stormrage
Now that the ArPen nerf has been confirmed as intended, I've added in an "Enable 3.2.2 Changes" option under settings. Enabling this will use the new ArPen rating conversion numbers as well as enable support for mortal shots with the 2pc T9 bonus. If I'm forgetting any other major changes in 3.2.2 that should be reflected please remind me via PM.

I also plan to work this weekend on getting in support for more options for the rotation test (namely the ability to adjust the wait time for shots, and the ability to disable waiting on aimed/arcane).

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Old 09/05/09, 9:44 AM   #90
Mr Tazza
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Sylvanas (EU)
Not sure if this has been mentioned but Armor/Vest of Shifting Shadows - Heroic isn't included in the chest database.

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Old 09/05/09, 9:04 PM   #91
Rivkah
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Stormrage
I've added the vest Eltupi, thanx for letting me know.

I've also added support for the wait time and aimed/arcane priority disabling under settings. Note that these settings only have any effect if you're using the rotation test.

I've also fixed it so your rotation test settings will load properly from saved settings (previously it wasn't remembering if you had it on).

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Old 09/07/09, 4:22 PM   #92
Elrood
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Mal'Ganis
I've been using the tool (kudos to Rivkah for keeping it updated!) for about a month but only in the last couple days have I started seeing haste being valued so highly. Haste is now listed as my #2 stat behind hit rating which I'm pretty sure is a fallacy. Is there a change (I have 3.2.2 settings disabled, although I'm not aware of a change to haste on the PTR and I'm getting about the same results with it on as well) that I'm not seeing in the version history that causes haste to suddenly be treated so differently than it was before?

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Old 09/07/09, 5:01 PM   #93
alienangel
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Eredar
Originally Posted by Jugglernaut View Post
You can't use 2x Deaths verdict.
Is that based on actually trying to equip 2, or just an opinion based on the unique tags? You can definitely equip two of the tank trinkets for instance: The World of Warcraft Armory

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Old 09/07/09, 5:22 PM   #94
Rivkah
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Stormrage
Elrood do you have a saved setting I can look at which might show the results you're getting? I tried importing both your specs into the site and in both cases haste wasn't significantly above AP in dps value (I have .737 dps for survival and .683 for marks). I'm not aware of any major change that would cause haste to shoot up in value, are you sure you set your shot priority and buffs up properly?

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Old 09/07/09, 5:34 PM   #95
Elrood
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Rivkah:

Zeherah's Hunter DPS Analyzer

On my end those settings show haste as a 1.018. The numbers you gave clearly make more sense than mine. To be honest I'm expecting you to catch something dumb I'm doing that is giving me funky numbers and we can all call me stupid and move on. On the off chance that the problem is on your end I'm happy to contribute to fixing it! Thanks for your help.

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Old 09/07/09, 6:00 PM   #96
Rivkah
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Looking at your settings, you have no buffs enabled and you're using the rotation test. Doing some testing, it looks like it's the 3% haste buff that makes the difference between haste being highly valued and not, but you don't get the same wild jump in damage value when not using the rotation test. This indicates to me that it's probably due to that buff significantly affecting what your simulated rotation turns out to look like. You can enable the debug option to see what the rotation is being simulated as, which will probably give you a better idea of why that extra haste would make such a big difference.

I've actually been meaning to take another look at the way I'm calculating the dps values for capped stats like ArPen and haste, right now all the dps per stat does is add a chunk of that stat then compare the two dps values, but on some stats like haste that leads to big jumps. I'll see if I can make some time for that this week.

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Old 09/07/09, 6:24 PM   #97
Elrood
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Thanks again Rivkah. I'll play with the debug mode and make sure the rotation looks as it should. The reason I left myself sans buffs was that when I used the analyzer previously I always did (this is not ideal for dps computing I know, but that is on my end and easily controllable) and wanted to keep as consistent with what I did previously as I could. When I did some calculations this past Tuesday I also ran it with no buffs and using the rotation test without getting the strange haste output. So it seems like something you changed this week is responsible for causing it. That being said, I will quit being lazy and buff myself properly and ensure my rotation is on. Thanks for all your effort on this!

Last edited by Elrood : 09/07/09 at 6:25 PM. Reason: the way I worded something sounded mean, that wasn't intentional!

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Old 09/07/09, 6:44 PM   #98
Rivkah
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The only major thing I changed this week that could be related to it is added in the option to adjust the wait time and whether to prioritize aimed/arcane/multi over steady, but I assume you're using the default settings. I'll do some more peeking into it later though, maybe something weird happened with that.

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Old 09/08/09, 1:30 AM   #99
wurmfood
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Farstriders
Originally Posted by alienangel View Post
Is that based on actually trying to equip 2, or just an opinion based on the unique tags? You can definitely equip two of the tank trinkets for instance: The World of Warcraft Armory
If you look carefully, you'll see those two trinkets are different. One is the heroic version and one is the normal version, thus they are actually two different trinkets with the same name.

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Old 09/08/09, 2:05 AM   #100
alienangel
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Originally Posted by wurmfood View Post
If you look carefully, you'll see those two trinkets are different. One is the heroic version and one is the normal version, thus they are actually two different trinkets with the same name.
Yes, isn't that exactly what we're talking about with Death's Verdict? I know you can't equip 2 of the same death's verdict, but there is a death's verdict from heroic and a death's verdict from normal, each with a unique item ID but identical name. The question is whether the tanking trinkets equip differently from the DPS ones by virtue of the green "heroic" text (there was a bit of fuss about this in the Item Level mechanics thread a couple weeks ago if you want to read more about the various strange restrictions datamined for the different heroic/non-heroic/unique/unique (1)/unique (name)/unique-equipped combinations present on various items - no one could reason out the predicted behaviour either way, hence I'm asking if Jugglernaut states they can't both be equipped based on experience or conjecture).

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