Hunter DPS Analyzer - Page 55

Serkuss · 01/09/12, 7:58 PM

While the Vishanka proc does seem to be using ranged rather than spell crit chance now it still appears to be only critting for 150%.
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Whitefyst · 01/10/12, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by razzghul

Would this change make each point in one with nature worth 270ap as well, giving us an extra 910ap if it goes live?

When factoring in the 10% AP buff for non-BM hunters, each point in OwN is now worth 297 AP instead of the current 220 AP. Thus, 3/3 Own will provide 231 more AP. All in all this buff to Hawk is a fixed 1001 AP gain.

For BM with its 30% AP buff, each point in OwN is now worth 386 AP instead of the current 286 AP. Thus, 3/3 Own will provide 300 more AP. All in all this buff to Hawk is a fixed 1301 AP gain.

This is very nice. Not as nice as the extra 10% AP that melee get since that is both more AP and scales with gear, but it is a nice buff to all hunter specs, with helping BM close the gap with the other hunter specs a bit.

Yarx · 01/14/12, 1:21 PM

Hello Rivkah,

i noticed that Vishanka, Rachen der Erde - Gegenstand - World of Warcraft is higher rated than Horrifying Horn Arbalest - Item - World of Warcraft

Isnt there something wrong with the calculation ?

pichuca · 01/15/12, 8:09 AM

what do you mean with "higher rated"? there is no rating on items whatsoever unless you equip them on an specific character with it´s gear, talents, race, etc. Being a troll can be one of the reasons of seeing the bow above the xbow, but without more info there´s no answer to that

Rivkah · 01/15/12, 12:57 PM

Without your setting links I can't confirm the exact reason, but it's quite normal for trolls to get higher results from normal Vishanka than heroic Horn, especially for SV. Some of the reasons for this are:
- SV scales poorly with weapon damage
- SV mastery affects the bow proc
- The horn is .1 speed faster than Vishanka, which makes it a bit weaker than it would normally be comparing items 7 ilevels apart
- Trolls gain 179 crit rating from using a bow, which helps compensate for the gap in ilevel

Whitefyst · 01/22/12, 10:47 AM

I do not know whether this is a bug or whether I just do not have the settings configured correctly in FD, but when I try to set up an AI focus dump only case with just doing ASs to proc the T13 4P, I cannot figure out how to get FD to cast the first ASs after the CA phase instead of at the start of the fight. When it occurs at the start of the fight it is a significant DPS loss since much of the haste is wasted with AI cast times well below the GCD and since the AIs after the CA phase are much slower than if they had the proc.

Gada · 01/24/12, 5:39 AM

Zenerah,

cheers for the good work as usual, have following question ...consider following scenario, your LnL procs@ say 70sh focus, your usual ES-ES-AS-ES dump would probably make you waste focus, isnt it feasible to implement a case ( or setting in FD ) that still allows you to use KC in a very high focus case.

Rivkah · 01/24/12, 11:38 AM

It looks like I jumped the gun on upgrading the site for 4.3.2 (that post about shutting down the PTR forums seemed like confirmation to me). For now my inclination is to leave the 4.3.2 changes active, but if it's a big problem I can downgrade to the old version.

Whitefyst, I'll look at the issue you mention when I have a chance.

With regards to KC, I can take a look at it and see if the math supports it being a good option. Have you tested it in Simcraft?

Bikiniwax · 01/24/12, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Gada

Zenerah,

cheers for the good work as usual, have following question ...consider following scenario, your LnL procs@ say 70sh focus, your usual ES-ES-AS-ES dump would probably make you waste focus, isnt it feasible to implement a case ( or setting in FD ) that still allows you to use KC in a very high focus case.

If we are speaking about 4.3.2, why not use ES-AS-ES-ES or even ES-AS-ES-AS-ES?

As Ren posted so eloquently on the WoW Forums:

Very low focus: ExS x2 >CoS > ExS
Low focus: ExS x2 > ArS > ExS
Medium-high focus: ExS > ArS > ExS x2
Very high focus: ExS > ArS > ExS > ArS > ExS

KC also doesn't affect Sic 'Em where Arcane Shot does.

Gada · 01/24/12, 1:05 PM

I am very aware of that, yet with your suggestion you could very well end up with ES refunding focus back and AS refunding focus back, on top of your natural focus flow, you end up focus caping.

pichuca · 01/26/12, 5:49 AM

Originally Posted by Gada

I am very aware of that, yet with your suggestion you could very well end up with ES refunding focus back and AS refunding focus back, on top of your natural focus flow, you end up focus caping.

Another possible scenario is that you use KC hoping for a ToTH procc but it doesn´t happen, and you end either waiting for the last ExS or firing a CoS to regain focus. The only scenerario where I would use KC is when above 85-90 focus. Anyway in that case I would go for ExS-AS-AS-ExS-AS-ExS, delaying the second Explosive shot.
what I don´t know is if delaying it several times may result in a DPS loss.

Asuming a fight like H ultraxion, where you fire 14 BA (the 15 one would occur in the second 360 of the fight at the very least) and you get 14 LnL proccs, you would end delaying ExS for 1 sec 14 times (that is on the very worst case, when you are always very high on focus when LnL proccs) that means you are pushing 2 ExS (and a third of ExS) out of your shot breakdown, and you gain 14 AS + (14 AS - 14KC). Let´s be very forgiving and asume you end up pushing 3 ExS off.

The average explosive shot damage for my character is 56664 per cast.
the average AS is 24682
the average KC is 25592

3 x 56664 = 169992 damage lost when not firing 3 ExS
24682x14 - 25592x14 = -12740 damage lost (KC does less damage but has a higher crit chance)
24682x14 = 345548 damage won from the 14 extra AS

345548 - 12740 - 169992 = 162816 damage won.

This is pretty rough math and I´m sure it can be wrong, but for what it seems, delaying ExS for an extra AS every time this happens is a dps gain over KC. That doesn´t take into account Sic'em proccs and TotH proccs, which would favour AS over KC again.

Goldengiff · 02/09/12, 3:45 AM

I was looking around at the settings and could not tell if pre-potting is enabled by default or if it's included at all in the sim. Could someone point me in the right direction.

Rivkah · 02/09/12, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Goldengiff

I was looking around at the settings and could not tell if pre-potting is enabled by default or if it's included at all in the sim. Could someone point me in the right direction.

There is no current support for prepotting. I've considered adding it but I'm not sure exactly how many seconds to support it for (since timing on prepotting varies). I'll see if I can make some time this weekend to add it (perhaps 2 seconds off the duration seems appropriate), but keep in mind that it still will only be supported as averaged over the course of the fight.

Goldengiff · 02/09/12, 1:09 PM

On a patchwerk style fight 1-2 seconds is reasonable. Averaging it over the fight is fine, and honestly probably isn't that big a deal to add since it's a marginal increase, I was just wondering if I had missed the setting.

Gada · 02/10/12, 4:45 PM

Hi Zenerah,

another thing that came to my mind - i haven't tested it in Simcraft, since im too lame to be able to configure it, but would you be able to reproduce following scenario - since the internal CD on LNL is 10 seconds, and you get a proc of the last tick of it, with your BA coming off cool-down in 2 seconds, you have an 8 second window where you cant get any procs, basically reducing the chance so you virtually waste 4 out of 10 ticks.

Wouldn't it be profitable to wait for lnl to come off CD before reapplying BA in such cases ? There is ofc different scenarios with wasting less ticks, but still its something worth thinking about.