Fire Cataclysm Discussion: OP Updated for Release - Page 23

Leialyn · 10/13/10, 9:02 AM

Originally Posted by Elrin

Just had a look at the dps logs and saw that mages were knocking out 23k on DBS last night.

Looking at the buffs gained:
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

it seems to show almost constant uptime of pyromaniac (haste buff if 3+ targets are taking DoT). Just wondered how this is possible during DBS or whether this is a bug.

Also the mages at the top use glyphed Frostfire Bolt, one mage as the main nuke and the other one from time to time.
But I guess this was just luck, on other encounters they are more even.

And we can see they have glyphed Pyroblast as major glyphe.

cbags · 10/13/10, 9:48 AM

This is partially a function of the Mage glyphs being broken. Having the ability to have Pyroblast/Living Bomb/Fireball/Frostfire Bolt all learned at the same time will be fixed. They have already stated that. They apparently can't hotfix it though.

Matutin · 10/13/10, 9:52 AM

Originally Posted by Elrin

it seems to show almost constant uptime of pyromaniac (haste buff if 3+ targets are taking DoT). Just wondered how this is possible during DBS or whether this is a bug.

I'm sure this is some kind of bug. Yesterday, i was testing FFB glyph at the dummys, and i had pyromaniac a couples only hitting one target.

EDIT: After reading through the log posted by Elrin, i saw only 2 dots on the beast, LB and ignite. If you check my links, you will see only an uptime between 6.4 and 8.6%. Considering the time between the beast spawn, and the duration of the debuff, this 99.7% pyromaniac uptime seems to be a bug.

reyno101 · 10/13/10, 9:56 AM

Originally Posted by Elrin

it seems to show almost constant uptime of pyromaniac (haste buff if 3+ targets are taking DoT). Just wondered how this is possible during DBS or whether this is a bug.

yes i had this bug during DBS tonight, its due to gunship - if you had 3 LB up when the mobs despawned at the end of the fight you seemed to keep your pyromaniac buff.

Zaldinar · 10/13/10, 10:02 AM

There has been a bug with pyromaniac for several months now where if targets die in certain ways with your DoTs on them or despawn in weird ways that the buff will stay. Its been reported on Beta several times, but it wouldn't be bad to have it get more visibility from folks on live like this.

Maje · 10/13/10, 10:27 AM

That's an extract from a log, it's the beginning of the combat, so there are probably other things that cause it to happen. That said 10% haste from a 'situational' talent is not a great design.

[21:59:15.575] XXXX casts Living Bomb  on Deathbringer Saurfang
[21:59:15.773] Deathbringer Saurfang afflicted by Living Bomb from XXXX
[21:59:16.113] XXXX gains Pyromaniac from XXXX

Hibbo · 10/13/10, 10:29 AM

Have you used Living Bomb at the Dummy? Because i think LB Explosion Crit will give you Pyromaniac when there are 3 Dummy`s affected by the Ignite.

Matutin · 10/13/10, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Hibbo

Have you used Living Bomb at the Dummy? Because i think LB Explosion Crit will give you Pyromaniac when there are 3 Dummy`s affected by the Ignite.

Yes, i did use LB, but i dont have a lot of crit (around 33%) and it happened a lot.

Valaran · 10/13/10, 11:14 AM

Maybe I completely misunderstood the intent behind some of the T3 vs T4 HS discussion, but the way I read it, at low levels of crit (ie. level 85) it might be better to take only T3 HS and skip the 2 points in T4 HS. So last night on live I tried it before learning my 2 points in T4 HS, and over 5 minutes of casting did not get a single HS proc, which almost certainly seems bugged.

Can anyone confirm this isn't just me?

Mainframe · 10/13/10, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Valaran

Maybe I completely misunderstood the intent behind some of the T3 vs T4 HS discussion, but the way I read it, at low levels of crit (ie. level 85) it might be better to take only T3 HS and skip the 2 points in T4 HS. So last night on live I tried it before learning my 2 points in T4 HS, and over 5 minutes of casting did not get a single HS proc, which almost certainly seems bugged.

Can anyone confirm this isn't just me?

Are you sure you learned you talents?

Valaran · 10/13/10, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Mainframe

Are you sure you learned you talents?

Yes, because I had LB on the target, could cast Scorch while moving, etc. As soon as I added the two points in T4 HS and hit learn, HS almost immediately began proccing.

Beasterbrown · 10/13/10, 1:48 PM

If you go to the OP of this thread, you'll see a section titled "T3 Hot Streak VS T4 Improved Hot Streak: How do they work?" .
The math and diagrams (click spoiler button) shown here demonstrate that at approximately >45% crit, the T3 talent goes to 0% proc chance. If your crit chance was higher than this, it is working as intended.

Kraezy · 10/13/10, 1:51 PM

Hey guys,

I've just recently switched my mage from arcane to fire and I'm loving the new fire. I'm just curious if anyone has been able to test anything in regards to the rotation. With the Impact proc, when only DPSing a single target, is it worth it cast the fireblast, or just keep nuking? I'm not much of a number cruncher... but I was just curious if with Imp Fire Blast talent, at an 8% crit chance increase, if it would be worth casting Fire Blast after scoring a Crit with Fireball or FFB, to increase the chance of HS procing, or if the overall numbers show single target Fire Blast use as rather pointless? Appreciate any help offered on this, ty!

daygotdis · 10/13/10, 3:49 PM

Just realized that combustion is quite weak on a single target fight now that combustion consumes the current dots instead of adding one on top of the current. This is because the largest dot, ignite, is just moved into the combustion dot. So it ends up just being a wash in damage added. The real time when combustion is useful when you want to transfer a large ignite bank to other targets via impact. Hope they change it back.

fool · 10/13/10, 4:39 PM

Could you please elaborate on the transfer of the ignite stack from 1 mob to another with the use of impact? I am not sure I can follow the technique.