Cataclysm Mage Simulators and Formulators - Page 28

Nathyiel · 11/28/11, 5:30 AM

And now, the first result of the test on Tier13H.

	PW		HS
Arcane T13H	53902	-191	40619	-3611
Fire T13H	54093	0	44230	0
Frost T13H	45177	-8916	36303	-7927

SimC 422.6 - 25k iterations

It's to note that all profiles isn't optimised (BiS list and Action List) and we can expect a better result for Arcane on Helterskelter fight.

For frost, it's confirm what have been said in a blue post:
"We offered some buffs to Fire mages to help them compete with Arcane. Frost is viable in PvE, but at high-end raiding we understand that its damage isn’t perceived as comparable to Arcane or Fire. The problem is that Frost has a lot of control and survivability, and if their damage were also identical, there would be no reason to choose Arcane or Fire. Note that the 5.0 talent design is partially to fix this specific problem, where specs have either higher DPS or higher utility." (source).
Ok but 9k dps loss on a perfect fight is very huge. I think that even in PVP, Frost will not be competitive.

For BiS list, this post on mmo-champion seems to be good (here).

edit: I'm actually running another batch of test for confirming this result, especially for Frost.
edit #2: result confirmed. Even with 6pt of mastery (previous nerf), Frost is still 6k behind.

Gregory · 11/28/11, 7:51 AM

Is it worth to stack Combustion with Insignia of Corrupted Mind haste proc to get more ticks ? Does Rawr calculate for that ?

Pikenzi · 11/28/11, 7:52 AM

Originally Posted by Gregory

Is it worth to stack Combustion with Insignia of Corrupted Mind haste proc to get more ticks ? Does Rawr calculate for that ?

Only if you set it as a Cooldown instead of a Proc in the options tab.

Maje · 11/30/11, 10:42 AM

Looks like unglyphed Mirror Images no longer cast Fire Blast, I haven't checked if the coef. changed. The change basically means that unglyphed Images are now able to cast 11 frostbolts each per activation (consistently).

Glyphed as fire they still cast Fireball and are still afflicted by the lag cast meaning they can fit between 7-9 fireballs, over 4 activations the average number of casts was 8.25.

The difference in the amount of damage over 4 activations was 2.5% for the glyphed images. Overall it's a toss up which to use, personal preference would make more of a difference than anything else.

Caltiom · 12/05/11, 3:05 PM

Originally Posted by Maje

Looks like unglyphed Mirror Images no longer cast Fire Blast, I haven't checked if the coef. changed.

I have to disagree with your observations. Both Arcane and Fire talented, unglyphed Mirror Images cast Blast, 3xFB, Blast, 3xFB, Blast, 3x FB, Blast, 2x FB. I updated SimC to exactly reflect this, as it previously had one Frost Bolt missing.

Fire with glyphed mirror images casted exactly 9 Firebolts ( as long as the mage remained in combat the whole time ), tested 5 times.

I can't say if the spell base damage and coefficients have changed from 4.2 to 4.3, but they are in the tooltip database and hopefully correct.

Edit: To provide a log for Fire Mage, unglyphed:

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12/6 13:24:37.479 SPELL_SUMMON,0x02800000001A305E,"Clarissa",0x511,0x0,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0xa28,0x0,58833,"Mirror Image",0x1
12/6 13:24:37.479 SPELL_SUMMON,0x02800000001A305E,"Clarissa",0x511,0x0,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0xa28,0x0,58831,"Mirror Image",0x1
12/6 13:24:37.479 SPELL_SUMMON,0x02800000001A305E,"Clarissa",0x511,0x0,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0xa28,0x0,58834,"Mirror Image",0x1
12/6 13:24:37.479 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x02800000001A305E,"Clarissa",0x511,0x0,0x02800000001A305E,"Claris sa",0x511,0x0,55342,"Mirror Image",0x40,BUFF
12/6 13:24:37.479 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x02800000001A305E,"Clarissa",0x511,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x8 0000000,0x80000000,55342,"Mirror Image",0x40
12/6 13:24:38.846 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4
12/6 13:24:38.846 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:38.846 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4
12/6 13:24:38.846 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:38.846 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4
12/6 13:24:38.846 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:38.846 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4,490,489,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:38.846 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4,492,491,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:38.846 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4,489,488,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:41.247 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:41.247 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:41.247 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:41.247 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,876,875,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:41.247 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:41.447 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:41.447 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:41.447 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,881,880,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:41.447 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,887,886,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:41.447 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:41.447 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:43.666 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:43.666 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:43.666 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:43.666 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,878,877,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:43.666 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:43.666 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:43.865 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,876,875,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:43.865 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:43.865 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:43.865 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:43.865 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:43.865 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,884,883,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:46.119 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4
12/6 13:24:46.119 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4
12/6 13:24:46.119 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4
12/6 13:24:46.119 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4,490,489,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:46.119 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4,484,483,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:46.119 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4,489,488,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:46.119 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,886,885,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:46.119 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:46.119 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:46.300 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:46.300 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:46.300 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,878,877,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:46.300 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,880,879,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:46.300 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:46.300 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:46.817 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:46.817 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:46.817 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:49.302 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:49.302 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:49.302 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:49.302 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,875,874,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:49.302 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:49.302 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:49.452 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:49.452 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:49.452 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,890,889,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:49.452 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,869,868,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:49.452 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:49.452 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:51.672 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:51.672 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:51.672 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:51.773 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,880,879,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:51.774 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:51.774 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:51.872 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:51.872 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:51.872 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,890,889,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:51.872 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,890,889,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:51.872 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:51.872 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:54.140 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4
12/6 13:24:54.140 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4
12/6 13:24:54.140 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4
12/6 13:24:54.140 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4,492,491,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:54.140 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4,484,483,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:54.140 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4,484,483,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:54.140 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,880,879,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:54.140 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:54.140 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:54.341 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:54.341 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:54.341 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,881,880,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:54.341 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,876,875,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:54.341 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:54.341 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:54.924 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:54.924 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:54.924 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:57.341 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:57.341 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:57.341 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:57.341 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,875,874,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:57.341 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:57.341 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:57.558 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:57.558 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:57.558 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,886,885,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:57.558 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,879,878,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:57.558 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:57.558 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:59.760 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:59.760 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:59.760 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:24:59.761 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,870,869,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:59.761 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:59.761 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:59.993 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:59.993 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:59.993 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,889,888,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:59.995 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,889,888,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:24:59.995 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:24:59.995 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:25:02.179 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4
12/6 13:25:02.179 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4
12/6 13:25:02.179 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4
12/6 13:25:02.179 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4,489,488,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:25:02.179 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4,492,491,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:25:02.179 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59637,"Fire Blast",0x4,493,492,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:25:02.179 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,880,879,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:25:02.179 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:25:02.179 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:25:02.311 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:25:02.311 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:25:02.311 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,891,890,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:25:02.311 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,885,884,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:25:02.311 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:25:02.311 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:25:02.978 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:25:02.978 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:25:02.978 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:25:05.397 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:25:05.397 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:25:05.397 SPELL_CAST_START,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10
12/6 13:25:05.397 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,881,880,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:25:05.397 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:25:05.397 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:25:05.547 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,886,885,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:25:05.547 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:25:05.547 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:25:05.548 SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,874,873,16,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
12/6 13:25:05.548 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:25:05.548 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:25:07.399 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x02800000001A305E,"Clarissa",0x511,0x0,0x02800000001A305E,"Claris sa",0x511,0x0,55342,"Mirror Image",0x40,BUFF
12/6 13:25:07.766 UNIT_DIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0
12/6 13:25:07.766 UNIT_DIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0
12/6 13:25:07.766 UNIT_DIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0
12/6 13:25:07.766 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0xa28,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:25:07.766 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0xa28,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:25:07.982 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B3,"Mirror Image",0xa28,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:25:07.982 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0xa28,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:25:07.982 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B2,"Mirror Image",0xa28,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:25:07.983 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0xa28,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF
12/6 13:25:11.968 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF13079F0003266B4,"Mirror Image",0xa28,0x0,0xF13079A800001308,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,59638,"Frostbolt",0x10,DEBUFF

Maje · 12/06/11, 5:20 AM

Fire with glyph:
SPELL_CAST_START Fireball 27
SPELL_DAMAGE Fireball 24

Specifically:

11:56:47.392,SPELL_CAST_START,0xF130B88C0031E037,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,88082,"Fireball",0x4
11:56:47.392,SPELL_CAST_START,0xF130B88C0031E036,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,88082,"Fireball",0x4
11:56:47.392,SPELL_CAST_START,0xF130B88C0031E035,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,88082,"Fireball",0x4
11:56:47.635,SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF130B88C0031E036,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A8000025B2,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,88082,"Fireball",0x4,1895,1894,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
11:56:47.635,SPELL_AURA_REFRESH,0x03800000015AE782,"Player",0x511,0x0,0xF13079A8000025B2,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,22959,"Critical Mass",0x4,DEBUFF
11:56:47.813,SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF130B88C0031E035,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A8000025B2,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,88082,"Fireball",0x4,1911,1910,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
11:56:47.813,SPELL_DAMAGE,0xF130B88C0031E037,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0,0xF13079A8000025B2,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,88082,"Fireball",0x4,1883,1882,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
11:56:48.169,SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x03800000015AE782,"Player",0x511,0x0,0xF13079A8000025B2,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,12654,"Ignite",0x4,5764,5763,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
11:56:48.169,SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x03800000015AE782,"Player",0x511,0x0,0xF13079A8000025B2,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,12654,"Ignite",0x4,DEBUFF
11:56:48.429,SPELL_CAST_START,0x03800000015AE782,"Player",0x511,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,2948,"Scorch",0x4
11:56:48.576,SPELL_DAMAGE,0x03800000015AE782,"Player",0x511,0x0,0xF13079A8000025B2,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,2948,"Scorch",0x4,7789,7788,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
11:56:49.175,SPELL_DAMAGE,0x03800000015AE782,"Player",0x511,0x0,0xF13079A8000025B2,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,2948,"Scorch",0x4,15903,15902,4,0,0,0,1,nil,nil
11:56:49.175,SPELL_AURA_REFRESH,0x03800000015AE782,"Player",0x511,0x0,0xF13079A8000025B2,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,22959,"Critical Mass",0x4,DEBUFF
11:56:49.349,SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x03800000015AE782,"Player",0x511,0x0,0x03800000015AE782,"Player",0x511,0x0,96890,"Electrical Charge",0x1,BUFF
11:56:49.349,SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x03800000015AE782,"Player",0x511,0x0,0x03800000015AE782,"Player",0x511,0x0,64343,"Impact",0x4,BUFF
11:56:49.651,SPELL_CAST_START,0x03800000015AE782,"Player",0x511,0x0,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,2948,"Scorch",0x4
11:56:49.651,SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x03800000015AE782,"Player",0x511,0x0,0xF13079A8000025B2,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,12654,"Ignite",0x4,DEBUFF
11:56:49.651,SPELL_ENERGIZE,0x03800000015AE782,"Player",0x511,0x0,0x03800000015AE782,"Player",0x511,0x0,29077,"Master of Elements",0x40,418,0
11:56:49.821,SPELL_DAMAGE,0x03800000015AE782,"Player",0x511,0x0,0xF13079A8000025B2,"Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,2948,"Scorch",0x4,7832,7831,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
11:56:50.039,SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x03800000015AE782,"Player",0x511,0x0,0x03800000015AE782,"Player",0x511,0x0,55342,"Mirror Image",0x40,BUFF
11:56:50.208,SPELL_AURA_REFRESH,0x03800000015AE782,"Player",0x511,0x0,0x03800000015AE782,"Player",0x511,0x0,64343,"Impact",0x4,BUFF
11:56:50.456,UNIT_DIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,0xF130B88C0031E037,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0
11:56:50.456,UNIT_DIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,0xF130B88C0031E036,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0
11:56:50.456,UNIT_DIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,0xF130B88C0031E035,"Mirror Image",0x2111,0x0

What happened is that the images die before the spell lands / is finished casting in some cases and you're left with 8 casts per image. I can supply a full log if you would like to go over it.

Fire without a glyph:
SPELL_CAST_START Frostbolt 36
SPELL_DAMAGE Frostbolt 33

As you can see there is no mention of Fireblast there, so unless they are 'invisibly' casting it doing damage all the while the combatlog doesn't list it then you're right. Again I have the raw logs if you'd like to check them. (Again note the 12 SPELL_CAST_START events and only 33 SPELL_DAMAGE)

1. I haven't pasted the full logs since they are pretty verbose, but can supply those on request.
2. I made sure to continue dpsing the dummy to remain in combat.
3. There might be a bug with specific characters being different, if you have the logs from the current patch that show fireblasts. Maybe eu/us difference.

* I also posted a few times in this thread that the images damage numbers do not represent what I'm seeing, but I don't have the full breakdown at hand esp. not for the last patch.

EDIT: The reason for the above is maximum range for Fireblast which is 30 yards, if you cast the images at a larger distance they'll just stand shoot frostbolts.

Maje · 12/20/11, 4:52 AM

Regarding Mirror Images again, this time the amount of damage they do per spell.

This was taken from a wipe night on Ultraxion heroic:
Fireball: 587 hit-2518.6 31 crit-3789.2

This is what simc. predicts for the same mage under the same conditions:
Fireball: hit-3529 crit-5293 10.0%

Two things to note, first the actual crit rate is 5% this matches a 5% crit debuf on the target and a 0% base for the images. Secondly the damage per spell, there is ~40% difference between the predicted and the actual numbers.

Zimeron · 12/20/11, 9:57 AM

Originally Posted by Maje

Regarding Mirror Images again, this time the amount of damage they do per spell.

This was taken from a wipe night on Ultraxion heroic:
Fireball: 587 hit-2518.6 31 crit-3789.2

This is what simc. predicts for the same mage under the same conditions:
Fireball: hit-3529 crit-5293 10.0%

Two things to note, first the actual crit rate is 5% this matches a 5% crit debuf on the target and a 0% base for the images. Secondly the damage per spell, there is ~40% difference between the predicted and the actual numbers.

We're using this data for the MI Fireball:

Base Value: 270.244 - 344.645 (13) | Points Per Level: 0.6 | Value Range: 9 | Coefficient: 0.338

Where it's only scaling with 75% of the owners fire spell power at the time of using MI. Given your data, it's almost spot on if we only give 50% of the owner's spell power.

Kavan · 12/20/11, 6:51 PM

I've been looking into Ignite mechanics and I came upon one inconsistency between current theory and game logs. This relates to "ignite rolling", when you get an extra free tick before the ignite refreshes. The theory is that the ignite bank gets calculated at the time of crit and then gets applied when ignite actually refreshes regardless of any ignite ticks happening in between.

Here's an example from combat log in game on Shannox with a mage having 36.44% Flashburn.

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[20:44:06.377] Lucid's Ignite fades from Shannox
[20:44:06.638] Lucid Fireball Shannox *48425*
[20:44:06.711] Shannox afflicted by Combustion from Lucid
[20:44:06.777] Lucid gains Stolen Time (7) from Lucid
[20:44:07.045] Lucid begins to cast Fireball
[20:44:07.167] Shannox afflicted by Ignite from Lucid
[20:44:07.167] Lucid gains 470 mana from Lucid's Master of Elements
[20:44:07.173] Lucid Living Bomb Shannox *13918*
[20:44:07.302] Lucid Combustion Shannox 12290
[20:44:07.473] Lucid Pyroblast! Shannox 4176
[20:44:07.615] Lucid's Electrical Charge fades from Lucid
[20:44:07.817] Lucid Combustion Shannox *25254*
[20:44:08.390] Lucid Combustion Shannox 12290
[20:44:08.390] Lucid begins to cast Fireball
[20:44:08.663] Lucid's Velocity fades from Lucid
[20:44:08.858] Lucid Living Bomb Shannox 6774
[20:44:08.858] Lucid Combustion Shannox 12290
[20:44:08.858] Lucid Lightning Bolt Shannox *13299*
[20:44:09.119] Lucid Pyroblast! Shannox *8581*
[20:44:09.222] Lucid Ignite Shannox 13214
[20:44:09.413] Lucid Combustion Shannox 12290
[20:44:09.470] Lucid Fireball Shannox 23770
[20:44:09.692] Lucid begins to cast Fireball
[20:44:10.013] Lucid Combustion Shannox 12289
[20:44:10.377] Lucid Living Bomb Shannox 6774
[20:44:10.452] Lucid Combustion Shannox 12290
[20:44:10.685] Lucid Pyroblast! Shannox 4176
[20:44:10.798] Lucid's Impact fades from Lucid
[20:44:10.903] Lucid Fireball Shannox *48266*
[20:44:10.979] Lucid Combustion Shannox 12290
[20:44:11.164] Lucid Ignite Shannox 13214
[20:44:11.164] Lucid's Ignite fades from Shannox
[20:44:11.244] Lucid gains Electrical Charge from Lucid
[20:44:11.463] Lucid begins to cast Fireball
[20:44:11.526] Lucid Combustion Shannox 12290
[20:44:11.588] Shannox afflicted by Ignite from Lucid
[20:44:11.588] Lucid gains 471 mana from Lucid's Master of Elements
[20:44:12.056] Lucid Living Bomb Shannox 6773
[20:44:12.131] Lucid Combustion Shannox 12290
[20:44:12.338] Lucid Pyroblast! Shannox 4176
[20:44:12.567] Lucid Fireball Shannox 23799
[20:44:12.627] Lucid Combustion Shannox 12290
[20:44:12.835] Lucid gains Stolen Time (8) from Lucid
[20:44:12.989] Lucid begins to cast Fireball
[20:44:13.171] Lucid Combustion Shannox 12290
[20:44:13.744] Lucid Living Bomb Shannox *13919*
[20:44:13.744] Lucid's Living Bomb fades from Shannox
[20:44:13.744] Lucid Ignite Shannox 13170
[20:44:13.744] Lucid Combustion Shannox 12290
[20:44:13.898] Lucid Pyroblast! Shannox *8582*
[20:44:14.086] Lucid's Electrical Charge fades from Lucid
[20:44:14.161] Lucid Fireball Shannox *48742*
[20:44:14.238] Lucid Combustion Shannox *25253*
[20:44:14.427] Lucid Living Bomb Riplimb 13108
[20:44:14.427] Lucid Living Bomb Shannox 10924
[20:44:14.427] Lucid gains Stolen Time (9) from Lucid
[20:44:14.693] Lucid casts Living Bomb on Shannox
[20:44:14.765] Lucid Combustion Shannox 12289
[20:44:14.874] Shannox's Ignite is refreshed by Lucid
[20:44:14.874] Lucid gains 470 mana from Lucid's Master of Elements
[20:44:14.959] Shannox afflicted by Living Bomb from Lucid
[20:44:15.316] Lucid Combustion Shannox *25254*
[20:44:15.316] Lucid Lightning Bolt Shannox *13477*
[20:44:15.503] Lucid Pyroblast! Shannox *8581*
[20:44:15.503] Lucid's Pyroblast! fades from Shannox
[20:44:15.623] Lucid Ignite Shannox 13258
[20:44:15.706] Lucid Fireball Shannox *49078*
[20:44:15.706] Lucid begins to cast Fireball
[20:44:15.837] Lucid Combustion Shannox 12290
[20:44:16.051] Lucid gains Hot Streak from Lucid
[20:44:16.065] Lucid gains Stolen Time (10) from Lucid
[20:44:16.349] Lucid Combustion Shannox 12290
[20:44:16.478] Shannox's Ignite is refreshed by Lucid
[20:44:16.478] Lucid gains 471 mana from Lucid's Master of Elements
[20:44:16.748] Lucid Living Bomb Shannox *14713*
[20:44:16.877] Lucid Combustion Shannox 12290
[20:44:16.877] Lucid's Combustion fades from Shannox
[20:44:17.316] Lucid's Stolen Time fades from Lucid
[20:44:17.316] Lucid begins to cast Fireball
[20:44:17.618] Lucid Ignite Shannox 17766
[20:44:18.196] Lucid Lightning Bolt Shannox 3051
[20:44:18.384] Lucid Fireball Shannox 23665
[20:44:18.532] Lucid gains Stolen Time from Lucid
[20:44:18.614] Lucid's Lightweave fades from Lucid
[20:44:18.614] Lucid Living Bomb Shannox 7160
[20:44:18.876] Lucid's Hot Streak fades from Lucid
[20:44:18.876] Lucid casts Pyroblast! on Shannox
[20:44:19.597] Lucid Ignite Shannox 17766
[20:44:19.931] Lucid begins to cast Fireball
[20:44:19.992] Shannox afflicted by Pyroblast! from Lucid
[20:44:19.992] Lucid Pyroblast! Shannox 28125
[20:44:19.992] Lucid Fireball Shannox 22276
[20:44:20.139] Lucid gains Stolen Time (2) from Lucid
[20:44:20.448] Shannox afflicted by Critical Mass from Lucid
[20:44:20.530] Lucid Living Bomb Shannox 7160
[20:44:20.530] Lucid's Mirror Image fades from Lucid
[20:44:21.314] Lucid's Critical Mass fades from Shannox
[20:44:21.518] Lucid begins to cast Fireball
[20:44:21.578] Lucid Ignite Shannox 17767
[20:44:21.578] Lucid's Ignite fades from Shannox
[20:44:21.907] Lucid Pyroblast! Shannox *8582*
[20:44:22.091] Lucid gains Electrical Charge from Lucid
[20:44:22.342] Lucid Living Bomb Shannox 7160
[20:44:22.631] Lucid Fireball Shannox 22458

The most relevant parts are the following:

[20:44:06.638] Lucid Fireball Shannox *48425*

At this point the ignite bank should be calculated according to theory and give 26428.428 to be applied in 2 ticks.

Next we have the first ignite tick:

[20:44:09.222] Lucid Ignite Shannox 13214

That fits with the theory. Now we have another Fireball crit:

[20:44:10.903] Lucid Fireball Shannox *48266*

This should give us an ignite bank of 26341.65216 + 13214 leftover, or 39555.65216. Next is the free ignite tick:

[20:44:11.164] Lucid Ignite Shannox 13214
[20:44:11.164] Lucid's Ignite fades from Shannox

Reapplication of ignite comes next:

[20:44:11.588] Shannox afflicted by Ignite from Lucid

And then the first tick:

[20:44:13.744] Lucid Ignite Shannox 13170

According to current theory this should have been a 19777 tick, instead it is just the ignite from the second crit (26341.6 / 2 = 13170.8).

For an example of how this happens in simc here's an example from simc log (filtering out just ignite related events):

57.82 lucid fireball hits Fluffy_Pillow for 47657 fire damage (crit)
57.82 lucid schedules travel (0.39) for ignite
58.20 lucid ignite hits Fluffy_Pillow for 0 fire damage (hit)
60.20 lucid ignite ticks (1 of 2) Fluffy_Pillow for 13004 fire damage (hit)
61.91 lucid fireball hits Fluffy_Pillow for 50012 fire damage (crit)
61.91 lucid schedules travel (0.73) for ignite
61.91 Player lucid rolls Ignite.
62.20 lucid ignite ticks (2 of 2) Fluffy_Pillow for 13004 fire damage (hit)
62.64 lucid ignite hits Fluffy_Pillow for 0 fire damage (hit)
64.64 lucid ignite ticks (1 of 2) Fluffy_Pillow for 20148 fire damage (hit)
66.64 lucid ignite ticks (2 of 2) Fluffy_Pillow for 20148 fire damage (hit)

angayelle · 12/22/11, 1:06 PM

Unfortunately I also wasn't able to reproduce fully the behavior of Ignite. So far I had a halfway working version of it in CombustionHelper, far from perfect as it's based on constatation of the timestamps of the criticals and not a proven formula...

Specifically the resulting ignite is different depending of the timer of the current ignite affecting the target.

Timer > 4.5 secs cause munching of the damage
Timer > 3.8 secs cause damage to be applied after next tick be splitted in 3
Timer > 2.5 secs cause damage to be applied to the next tick and be splitted in 2
Timer > 1.7 and < 2.5 secs cause damage to be applied after next tick be splitted in 3
Timer > 0.5 and < 1.7 secs cause damage to be applied to the next tick and be splitted in 3
Timer < 0.5 secs cause damage to be applied after next tick be splitted in 3
If no ignite running on target then damage is split in 2 like it should.

Furthermore latency affect all theses values, so I had to include a modifier which people have to enter manually based on their experience. Not very professional but I couldn't do better.

Kavan · 12/24/11, 4:05 AM

Another case of "unexpected" ignite behavior, this time with 33.936% Flashburn.

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[19:09:15.580] Delritha's Ignite fades from Warlord Zon'ozz
[19:09:15.732] Delritha begins to cast Fireball
[19:09:16.156] Delritha Living Bomb Warlord Zon'ozz *13259*
[19:09:17.087] Delritha's Critical Mass fades from Warlord Zon'ozz
[19:09:17.233] Delritha Fireball Warlord Zon'ozz *47834*
[19:09:17.496] Delritha's Electrical Charge fades from Delritha
[19:09:17.496] Delritha gains Hot Streak from Delritha
[19:09:17.557] Delritha begins to cast Fireball
[19:09:17.713] Delritha Pyroblast! Warlord Zon'ozz 6074
[19:09:17.713] Delritha's Pyroblast! fades from Warlord Zon'ozz
[19:09:17.929] Warlord Zon'ozz afflicted by Ignite from Delritha
[19:09:17.929] Delritha gains 470 mana from Delritha's Master of Elements
[19:09:18.261] Delritha begins to cast Scorch
[19:09:18.602] Delritha Living Bomb Warlord Zon'ozz 9678
[19:09:19.245] Delritha Fireball Warlord Zon'ozz 34637
[19:09:19.445] Delritha Lightning Bolt Warlord Zon'ozz 9668
[19:09:19.585] Delritha's Hot Streak fades from Delritha
[19:09:19.585] Delritha casts Pyroblast! on Warlord Zon'ozz
[19:09:19.973] Delritha Scorch Warlord Zon'ozz *28978*
[19:09:19.991] Delritha Ignite Warlord Zon'ozz 12815
[19:09:20.306] Delritha gains Hot Streak from Delritha
[19:09:20.306] Delritha gains Impact from Delritha
[19:09:20.632] Delritha Pyroblast! Warlord Zon'ozz *89248*
[19:09:20.632] Warlord Zon'ozz afflicted by Pyroblast! from Delritha
[19:09:20.719] Warlord Zon'ozz's Ignite is refreshed by Delritha
[19:09:20.719] Delritha gains 418 mana from Delritha's Master of Elements
[19:09:20.719] Warlord Zon'ozz afflicted by Critical Mass from Delritha
[19:09:20.929] Delritha Living Bomb Warlord Zon'ozz 9678
[19:09:21.116] Delritha's Critical Mass fades from Warlord Zon'ozz
[19:09:21.116] Warlord Zon'ozz's Ignite is refreshed by Delritha
[19:09:21.116] Warlord Zon'ozz afflicted by Critical Mass from Delritha
[19:09:21.285] Delritha gains Time Warp from Delritha
[19:09:21.285] Delritha afflicted by Temporal Displacement from Delritha
[19:09:21.285] Delritha casts Time Warp
[19:09:21.426] Delritha Lightning Bolt Warlord Zon'ozz *9792*
[19:09:21.848] Delritha gains Mark of the Firelord from Delritha
[19:09:21.848] Delritha casts Mark of the Firelord
[19:09:21.972] Delritha Ignite Warlord Zon'ozz 25386
[19:09:22.333] Delritha's Critical Mass fades from Warlord Zon'ozz
[19:09:22.650] Delritha begins to cast Fireball
[19:09:23.095] Delritha Pyroblast! Warlord Zon'ozz 6388
[19:09:23.267] Delritha Living Bomb Warlord Zon'ozz 9679
[19:09:23.267] Delritha's Living Bomb fades from Warlord Zon'ozz
[19:09:23.476] Delritha's Hot Streak fades from Delritha
[19:09:23.476] Delritha casts Pyroblast! on Warlord Zon'ozz
[19:09:23.907] Delritha Living Bomb Warlord Zon'ozz *36291*
[19:09:24.016] Delritha Ignite Warlord Zon'ozz 25386
[19:09:24.047] Warlord Zon'ozz's Pyroblast! is refreshed by Delritha
[19:09:24.047] Delritha Pyroblast! Warlord Zon'ozz *101629*
[19:09:24.281] Delritha gains Electrical Charge from Delritha
[19:09:24.515] Delritha begins to cast Fireball
[19:09:24.689] Delritha gains 1411 mana from Delritha's Master of Elements
[19:09:24.689] Warlord Zon'ozz's Ignite is refreshed by Delritha
[19:09:24.689] Warlord Zon'ozz afflicted by Critical Mass from Delritha
[19:09:25.494] Delritha Pyroblast! Warlord Zon'ozz 7190
[19:09:25.997] Delritha Ignite Warlord Zon'ozz 26612

The important sequence is:

[19:09:17.233] Delritha Fireball Warlord Zon'ozz *47834*
[19:09:17.929] Warlord Zon'ozz afflicted by Ignite from Delritha
[19:09:19.973] Delritha Scorch Warlord Zon'ozz *28978*
[19:09:19.991] Delritha Ignite Warlord Zon'ozz 12815
[19:09:20.632] Delritha Pyroblast! Warlord Zon'ozz *89248*
[19:09:20.719] Warlord Zon'ozz's Ignite is refreshed by Delritha
[19:09:21.116] Warlord Zon'ozz's Ignite is refreshed by Delritha

What we would expect from theory is first the scorch crit should roll ignite with free tick, but then instead the whole thing getting munched by the pyroblast crit.

The fireball crit gives a 25627 ignite bank, which agrees with the first ignite tick. Without a pyro munch the scorch should have resulted in a 15525 + 25627 = 41152 ignite bank over 3 ticks. Instead the pyroblast should have given a 47814 + 12815 = 60629 ignite bank over 3 ticks (20210 per tick).

Instead the next ignite tick is

[19:09:21.972] Delritha Ignite Warlord Zon'ozz 25386

This is exactly what you would expect from a clean ignite without any munching or rolling, that is 15525 + 47814 + 12815 = 76154 ignite bank over 3 ticks.

I think at this point we should completely reexamine the whole munching/rolling situation.

Kavan · 01/11/12, 4:21 PM

Just as an experiment I disabled free ignite ticks in simc by setting ignite travel time to 0 and now I'm getting results that agree with rawr. Taking crit/haste sets that were opposite in rawr and simc before now result in haste being better in both. So this would confirm my previous observations that the main difference in results is coming from how munching/rolling is handled.

KroLeXz · 01/17/12, 6:36 PM

Kavan

is it possible to write the code that takes ignite stacking into consideration.....

I'm not good at math like you guys but example

distance from boss, cast time -> travel time -> crit followed by a ignite stack before the first tick at 2 seconds.

Even now, I don't think the current formula takes into consideration ignite bank?

#1 reason why mages are blowing up ultraxion is lust at the very start of the of the encounter... along with max combustion ticks, their stringing together 4 to 5 big crits with cooldown ticks, I've personally have hit 45k Ignite on that encounter.

Kavan · 01/17/12, 8:28 PM

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking for, you'll need to explain a bit more what kind of code you're looking for.

I am currently working on estimating combustion damage conditions distributions that will probably show up in the next Rawr release. Probably just as a tool initially, but I plan to tie it into actual rotations once I finalize my analysis of optimal condition selection and work out the approximation of the cdf curve based on haste/crit. I'll post the results when I have a bit more to show.

KroLeXz · 01/18/12, 12:26 AM

Just optimal conditions for stacking ignite, basically like you said - on what you're working on.