Ok, it is still strange. I've used rev6367 to see how it reflect's arcane mages and it seems that simulationcraft actually managems over the manacap.


0.00 Mage_Arcane_T11_372 gains 1350 (1350) mana from food (105548)
This is the mana I start with and it won't go higher from replenish, etc. until

5.88 Mage_Arcane_T11_372 uses Mana Gem
5.88 Mage_Arcane_T11_372 gains 12103 (12103) mana from mana_gem (115070)
5.88 Mage_Arcane_T11_372 gains improved_mana_gem(1)

and from that point replenish, etc. takes it even higher

6.00 Mage_Arcane_T11_372 gains 30 (30) mana from replenishment (115144)
6.00 Mage_Arcane_T11_372 gains 16 (16) mana from blessing_of_might (115160)
6.00 Mage_Arcane_T11_372 gains 219 (219) mana from mage_armor (115379)
6.25 Mage_Arcane_T11_372 gains 44 (44) mana from mp5_regen (115423)

I uploaded the whole (25s) log here View Code Snippet » Code Viewer - Source Code Upload/Viewer

Uploading the log was very very helpful. Thank you. Around 5.31 I see Power Torrent and Lightweave procs that increase your max-mana. These procs are coded not to increase your current mana, leaving room for mana-gem and replenishment to fill in.

ah, that makes sense. I wondered why Power Torrent didn't increase the dps, but it seems to be rather bad for arcane when looking at it like this. Everytime it procs, we're actually at lower pct of mana. I'll run some comparison between other enchants to see how it works out.

Would that then mean that potentially lightweave and the volcano card are not quite as good for arcane as well?

Does Simcraft simulate the "use" effect of Shard of Woe?
I don't see the proc name anywhere on Buffs list.

This was an oversight on my part: I only implemented the passive effect. This has been corrected in r6383. In the meantime you can change your profile to read:

trinket1=shard_of_woe,use=1935haste_10dur_60cd
(or trinket2 if appropriate)

On a related note: We are working on deriving the behavior of all trinkets from the DBC so that we will no longer have to keep playing catch-up.

Another alternative is to munch-only and roll-never. I'll implement a couple options that folks can play with.

Silverwind has provided some Arcane profiles that produce markedly improved results. I've also made a first pass at improving the Frost 372 profile; if anyone wants to take a crack at boosting it further, it can be found here:

http://dev.org/?profile=22000 <-- Live, uses more-blues-than-reds to activate meta
http://dev.org/?profile=22015 <-- PTR, replaces some purple gems with red

Updated results are running now.

So looking at the arcane 359 profile it looks like it has implemented the ABx4-AM or ABar, which strikes me as quite suboptimal. Has anyone attempted to implement the actual optimal cycles for arcane? If not I can give it a shot.

Please do! SimC is not a solver like Rawr, so it is only as optimal as the person driving it. Any help here would be most appreciated.

One thing I've noticed when playing a bit with profiles is that it seems detrimental to try to regen above normal mana max when int procs are active. I guess the reasoning is that the mana you gain there is lost immediately as the proc disappears and any potential gains from improved mastery isn't justified by the mana to damage conversion lost. Is there a way to do mana_pct based on non-proc int max mana instead of actual current percent?

Also there is an incorrect behavior in Arcane Missiles proc. In current implementation it allows scheduling of AM immediately after the AB that procs it, without requiring any reaction time or signaling from server that the proc actually occured. I included an example log from simc:

Lhivera,

Could you explain, or redirect me to why Theralion's Mirror is being used in the sim.

Just a quick rundown using your stat breakdowns for fire
?--------------------Int-------SP-------Hit-------Crit----Haste---Mastery
Scale Factors-----3.7739--2.6824---3.1563--2.0385-1.5733--1.5256

Theralion's would be ~2021 with a 114s Interval.
DmC Volcano is ~ 2174 with a 47s Interval.

In a perfect world where everything proc'd instantly as it came off CD, using these stats it would be
Theralions ~2176
DmC Volcano ~2246

Both of these results are assuming that DmC has been reforged to 193 Mastery, 128 Crit. Could go to 193 Mastery, 128 Hit, but as you need a set amount of hit, would just give the trinket an unfair advantage in the test. Haven't seen any posts on trinkets, but I assume everyone knows that the 1600 Int proc on DmC is actually 1680 with Wizardry

Also, I believe the BiS list that you should be using is;

Slot	Item	ilvl	Gemming	Reforging	Source
Head	[Crown of the Twilight Queen]	379	1 x 20 int/hit	97 Haste -> 97 Hit	Lady Sinestra
Neck	[Valiona's Medallion]	372		57 Mastery -> 57 Hit	Valiona
Shoulders	[Firelord's Mantle]	372	1 x 20 int/hit	76 Haste -> 76 Crit	Heroic Tier Token
Back	[Shroud of Endless Grief]	379	1 x 20 int/crit	61 Mastery -> 61 Hit	Lady Sinestra
Chest	[Firelord's Robes]	372	1 x 40 int + 1 x 20 hit/int	90 Haste -> 90 Hit	Heroic Tier Token
Wrists	[Bracers of the Bronze Flight]	372		57 Mastery -> 57 Hit	Halfus
Hands	[Firelord's Gloves]	372	1 x 40 int	76 Mastery -> 76 Hit	Heroic Tier Token
Waist	[Belt of Arcane Storms]	372	2 x 40 int	76 Haste -> 76 Hit	Maloriak
Legs	[Firelord's Leggings]	372	1 x 40 int + 1 x 20 int/crit	102 Haste -> 102 Crit	Heroic Tier Token
Feet	[Einhorn's Galoshes]	372	1 x 40 int	76 Haste -> 76 Hit	Chimaeron
Ring	[Planetary Band]*(143 Hit / 143 Crit)	372			Conclave
Ring	[Signet of the Fifth Circle]	372		57 Mastery -> 57 Hit	Cho'gall
Trinket	[Bell of Enraging Resonance]	372			Atramedes
Trinket	[Darkmoon Card: Volcano]	359		128 Mastery -> 128 Hit	Darkmoon Faire
Mainhand Weapon	[Stormwake the Tempest's Reach]*(110 Hit / 110 Crit)	372			Al'Akir
Offhand Weapon	[Book of Binding Will]	372		57 Haste -> 57 Crit	Halfus
Wand	[Theresa's Booklight]	359		28 Mastery -> 28 Crit	BOE Blackwing Descent Drop

Cannot confirm the Conclave drops (we only get 7 mail belts to drop every week), this is just pure assumption that the <random enchantment> on the waist and rings follow the same rules as any other <random enchantment> items currently in the game. Would be nice if someone could confirm that they have looted or seen (Hit Crit) or (Crit Haste) on Conclave drops. 95% sure they exist, but confirmation would be nice.

Final stats (including raid buffs):
5757 Intellect
8749 Spellpower

1527 Haste
1741 Hit
1807 Crit
873 Mastery

Lhivera you have the 372 ilvl Bracers of the Dark Pool in your chardev profile but this item does not exist like all the other 372 ilvl trash loot. You should change the wrist slot to 372 ilvl Bracers of the Bronze Flight and the wand to ilvl 359 Theresa's Booklight

On the Frost (ptr 372) result by Lhivera:
In the stat part, it says that Mastery is 11.94 with 707 points. But on the PTR, Frost has only 2 base point of Mastery.
In the Very Long Fight, Molten Armor have a 2% uptime. Can it be possible to implement a switching armor system that depend on a percentage of mana max ?

According to Wowhead's 359 ilvl version there is no Intellect hit/crit version. Based on the information I could gather the following bit of information is what I've been able to deduce based on Wowhead and Armory look up of items:

Wowhead is able to provide the extensions in their 359 information however they do not have the amounts for the 372 version. If you look up the armory though, they provide the stamina primary stat and ONE of the secondary stats. Putting those two bits of information together I was able to deduce the previous list.

Yeah, I saw that as well, but also.

From Item suffix - Wowpedia - Your wiki guide to the World of Warcraft

Of the wildfire is listed as Hit/Crit
Of the fireflash is listed as Haste/Crit

The Armory does indicated that Hit exists on Planetary Band, as what you linked from wowhead, does not recognize hit as one of the possible stats.. Unfortunatly blizzard only lists ONE of the stats on the band which is only half helpful, those are more closely related to wowpedia's tho which is what brought me to my assumptions.

...of the Wildfire

+143 Hit Rating,
+321 Stamina,
+214 Intellect


...of the Fireflash

+143 Crit Rating,
+321 Stamina,
+214 Intellect

Taken from Planetary Band - Game - World of Warcraft

The belt however doesn't have a hit option listed, so im going to change a few things to the above table until someone claims hit/crit exists on the belt.

hit/crit ring exists in both heroic and non heroic form, I have both equipped, although armory will not show them properly. It is "of the Wildfire"

SimulationCraft has already datamined all of these random suffixes along with the stats they supply.
All of the necessary information can be found in sc_item_data.inc - simulationcraft - Project Hosting on Google Code

The data structures are defined in data_definitions.hh

For example:
So the random suffix 138 is "of the Feverflare". The first list of numbers are the types of stats they are. These are defined at the bottom of the file.
i.e. 2803 = Stamina, 2804 = Intellect, 3726 = Haste Rating, 4059 = Mastery Rating.
The second list of numbers are coefficients which together with data for the item level is used to determine how much of each stat there is.

Near the top of the file we have the data for item levels. For example for ilvl 359:

The 3 lists of numbers represent Epic, Rare and Uncommon values.

For stamina we had a coefficient of 7889 (which is 0.7889). For a ilvl 359 Epic we have a value of 649. Multiplied together we get:
649 * 0.7889 = 511.9961 which is rounded down to 511.

So for a suffix of 138 with an ilvl of 359 and of epic quality the item will have +511 stamina.

There are a few different "of the Feverflare" suffixes and they vary depending upon slot class. 138 can be found on legs and likely would be on chests and helms as well.

It was a first pass.

Any chance you could plug your set into Chardev? I can then generate a profile from it and see what numbers we get. If not, I can do it, but it may be a couple days.

Here's my Fire 372 profile I made some days ago [edit:updated with new weapon]:
Mage_Fire_T11_372: chardev 8 - Cataclysm Beta

It should be BiS or close to, if we can agree that:

1) The Hit / Crit belt does actually exist.
2) Two 372 Conclave rings with different stats cannot be equipped together because of "Unique-Equipped".

Oh, and in case anyone is interested in the arcane profiles I used:
Mage_Arcane_T11_372: chardev 8 - Cataclysm Beta
Mage_Arcane_T11_359: chardev 8 - Cataclysm Beta

Was under the impression with the different name suffix's, it wouldn't be an issue, just that you couldnt equip 2 hit/crit rings, etc. Could possibly be true, its 100% speculation from my end so I can't debate it either way. Personally saw 2 random enchant rings equipped on a player, assumed it was possible with 372.

And apparently Soul breath belt 'of the wildfire' does not exist. The Wowarmory lists are correct. Wildfire is listed for the weapon tho, 110 Hit/Crit, as opposed to 110 Hit/Mastery

Updated the table again, SHOULD be correct. However there is an alternate option with the belt.
[Belt of Arcane Storms] -> [Soul Breath Belt]*(180 Crit / 180 Haste) Which would lead to;

1546 Haste ( - 7 )
1738 Hit ( - 4 )
1820 Crit ( + 9 )
875 Mastery ( +0 )

So the three questions that need answers are:

- Does "Soul Breath Belt of the Wildfire" actually exist ingame?
- Does "Stormwake the Tempest's Reach of the Wildfire" actually exist ingame?
- Is it possible to simultaneously equip these two heroic ilvl 372 rings: "Planetary Band of the Wildfire" and "Planetary Band of the Flameblaze"?

Does anyone currently have the appropriate gear to conclusively answer any of the three points above? In the meantime, the current BIS list was edited into the Fire Compendium OP - with notes mentioning it may be subject to change.