Cataclysm Fire Mage Compendium - Page 30

Aaediyen · 04/27/11, 12:36 AM

Good to know thanks. I'm still having issues though, tried this macro tonight after downloading

/cast combustion
/cast fire blast

It will spread living bomb and other dots, but it wont spread combustion. I wonder if somehow the fireblast is hitting first.

Terrasearch · 04/27/11, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by Aaediyen

Good to know thanks. I'm still having issues though, tried this macro tonight after downloading

/cast combustion
/cast fire blast

It will spread living bomb and other dots, but it wont spread combustion. I wonder if somehow the fireblast is hitting first.

I meant the behaviour of Combustionspread. All other dots are spread as always.
The macro should work.

Zersto · 04/27/11, 1:07 AM

There is a small delay (people refer to it as "hidden travel time") between when you cast Combustion and when the debuff actually appears on the target. I'd estimate roughly .2-.3s in delay. So if you are macroing the two simultaneously, there is a good chance you won't spread the dot.

TheKrakr · 04/27/11, 9:54 AM

Originally Posted by Hotcooler

If simcraft is right (probably quite gear dependent though), then Crit is definitely your best bet for now, though it surely needs testing on live realms, I personally prefer crit, if only for bigger numbers and more pyros XD

Simulationcraft Results

Your gear is a bit above mine, but when I ran SC at 10000 iterations it was still showing Haste well over Crit for me.

Interesting though that with the buff to Mastery it still doesn't add that much weight. Wonder why Blizz even bothered. Either make it relevant or just leave it.

SaltSeafood · 04/27/11, 4:45 PM

Did they change something about Blast Wave? Since 4.1 I got some trouble casting it.. the green area just disappears when i use the skill while casting another skill... really annoying.

Malvenue · 04/27/11, 5:33 PM

Originally Posted by Aaediyen

So, I'm sitting here at the dummies and I cant get combustion to spread via impact. Is there a bug or something?

I have found that if you drop a blastwave or flamestrike on all the dummies, then the dots will spread. Otherwise they frequently do not.

Go figure.

Loevty · 04/27/11, 6:12 PM

After testing by myself and by another, I have determined that from what I saw. Flame Orb's critical hit's do not start an ignite.

Lileith · 04/27/11, 6:16 PM

Originally Posted by SaltSeafood

Did they change something about Blast Wave? Since 4.1 I got some trouble casting it.. the green area just disappears when i use the skill while casting another skill... really annoying.

Same thing happened to me tonight, either the reticle just vanish, or it grow to an insane size, or just reduce to a extremly small circle. I had to smash my blastwave/ flamestrike key and spam click on the ground to get it to work.

I had report from DKs from my guild having the same issue with Death and Decay.

Lemina · 04/27/11, 10:09 PM

I have found that if you try to target blast wave, blizzard or flamestrike over a mob, the targetting reticle turns into a sword icon and it either shrinks to a tiny size or just disappears altogether. It appears to be affected any AE spell that uses a targetting reticle, even warlocks and DKs have this problem with their AE skills.

To not bug this, you need to target so that your mouse cursor does not touch the mob.

troppoveloce · 04/27/11, 10:13 PM

I've had the same problems with Blast Wave and Flamestrike, the new default "Cast action keybinds on key down" option under combat options seemed to have something to do with it and unchecking that helped some, but I find I am still losing the targeting circle quite often. Options > Action Bars has a box for "secure ability toggle," which seems like it should be in charge of fixing this, but i'm not so sure it's working.

duiwelkind · 04/28/11, 2:50 AM

The periodic damage of Glyphed Frostfire Bolt can crit, which leaves an Ignite. This is a very important point in practise because of Ignite Munching. More frequent Crits from minor, weak DOT's such as FFB - result in more opportunities for Ignite Munching. Be sure to read the Ignite Munching section for an understanding of why this can be very detrimental to Fire Mages

With the dots no longer triggering ignite is it ok to use FFB as our main nuke if we want a different "flavour"? Or are there other factors like scaling that make it not worth it?

greatzar · 04/28/11, 11:07 AM

It seems, removing ignite from dot crits does not help much (if at all) with ignite munching.
Last night on Halfus HM I lost 24% of ignite damage, last week I lost 24.5%. But overall ignite damage went down from 2566123 to 1502375 (yes, more then 1 million).

Calculations:
My mastery bonus: 1,36148.
Total direct fire crit damage: 3619554.
Total ignite damage: 1502375.
Expected ignite damage: critDamage*0.4*masteryBonus = 1971180
Ignite damage lost: 1-(1502375/1971180) = 0.24

Last week: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
Yesterday: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
Yes, I know, it's Halfus is not that good for statistics, but still...

Oh, and it was a real surprise that LB+combustion+impact is that weak now. It ticks for 1900 per target, not 4-7k that I was expecting. I don't know if is new thing or not. May be, just side effect of LB crits not causing ignites anymore. For me, it's a huge nerf for fights like Maloriak, as were is no time to wait for fireball crit on green phase.

talchas · 04/28/11, 11:34 AM

Testing on an undebuffed dummy, combustion/LB is acting the same - it fits the equations I got in 4.0.6. Glancing at the logs, I think you just happened to have a weaker ignite on your first on combust this week than last week (around 1.5k this week), although its possible they changed its debuff behavior.

shammma · 04/28/11, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by greatzar

Oh, and it was a real surprise that LB+combustion+impact is that weak now. It ticks for 1900 per target, not 4-7k that I was expecting. I don't know if is new thing or not. May be, just side effect of LB crits not causing ignites anymore. For me, it's a huge nerf for fights like Maloriak, as were is no time to wait for fireball crit on green phase.

Agreed. Without dots to proc some even a small ignite or keep an ignite "rolling", I think fire is really lacking when you have a small window like that.

It really needs a CD that gives your next spell a 100% crit chance, or something like old combustion.

Implosion · 04/28/11, 1:23 PM

It seems like the Ignite loss shown by CombustionHelper addon is wrong. I suppose the addon still expects the Ignite update after critical hits of Living Bomb. Tried several different spell cycles on dummies - it shows the ignite loss only in those involving LB. Then I just tried to get a first critical hit by Scorch, apply LB and see what happens if there is a critical tick of LB with Ignite applied. As a visual result the Ignite debuff didn't get refreshed after a critical tick. And the Ignite loss value given by CombustionHelper was exactly the sum of 40% of LB critical ticks.

I guess the WoL can come in handy here to sum the direct critical damage, calculate the expected Ignite value and compare it to actual one. Gonna try some cycles on dummies and pull the combatlog data to WoL for evaluation.