Cataclysm Fire Mage Compendium - Page 36

Keldion · 06/24/11, 1:40 PM

I figured out the reason for the odd haste behavior a few months ago. Blizzard rounds tick times to the thousandths.

I have not yet received feedback on whether or not my calculations for fire mages are accurate, so I encourage you to review the figures and check up behind my work.

EDIT: Whitetooth's combat rating thread currently reports 128.05716 for haste conversion. This should explain small discrepancies between spreadsheet and live results. (2nd tick of combustion at 1494)

Istaran · 06/28/11, 9:39 AM

Dear fellow mages,

This post is to advertise for an addon that I called myBigIgnite. It reached with the last release a mature stage of development and as a consequence I think it could be of some interest for the whole community.

As you can guess, mBI is Ignite centred and as been made to help us triggering Combustion at the right time. It shows as clearly as possible when the last Ignite tick crosses a given threshold set up by the user and take into account the presence or absence of our other dots on the target. It also tracks the cooldown of Combustion and can indicate to the player if one of the dots is going to fade. The user can modify everything at will.
The display is configurable in a lot of ways. I tried to keep it as simple as possible. Consequently, mBI does not display the fading time of dots, the remaining time of Combustion cooldown, etc... It has to be used with another classical indicator of dot/cd duration.

You have understood the idea. mBI is here to indicate when this is the best time to trigger Combustion relative to Ignite damage and dots uptime and that's it. It can also be used to follow all along a fight the damage of Ignite ticks and so help to spread them with Impact on AOE phases.

If you want to give it a try, you can download the last version on Curse

Napwneon · 07/15/11, 6:12 AM

A quick question regarding ignite mechanics which are relevant on Alysrazor. Since your crit rate is at 100% with the Alysra's Razor buff, do the ignites roll? Is there any noticeable difference between hitting combustion early or late in the burn phase, and if not, how soon within the 100% extra damage taken burn phase will your ignite be at its highest level? (barring procs and trinket effects)

Skem · 07/15/11, 6:41 AM

Ive switch to fire (boss maximising group buffs) after a short break and was on the dummies in SW (the three against the wall) getting my flaming-mojo back and, impact did not seam to be spreading correctly. It only spread 3 times out ot the 24 proc's.

has anyone else had this oddity this patch?

fok · 07/15/11, 8:17 AM

Originally Posted by Napwneon

A quick question regarding ignite mechanics which are relevant on Alysrazor. Since your crit rate is at 100% with the Alysra's Razor buff, do the ignites roll? Is there any noticeable difference between hitting combustion early or late in the burn phase, and if not, how soon within the 100% extra damage taken burn phase will your ignite be at its highest level? (barring procs and trinket effects)

Use your combustion on 15~ last seconds of Alysra's burn phase for give em incredible damage, if u saved stacks and dont lost stuck of ignites it will be about 5-7kk damage over 10 sec lenght, check out the logs on WoL

Senovit · 07/15/11, 9:56 AM

Originally Posted by fok

Use your combustion on 15~ last seconds of Alysra's burn phase for give em incredible damage, if u saved stacks and dont lost stuck of ignites it will be about 5-7kk damage over 10 sec lenght, check out the logs on WoL

Can anyone else confirm that the combustion ticks are affected by Alysra's increased damage taken debuff? I would have imagined that since combustion seems to ignore shields like Rhyolith's legs or Siamat in Tol'Vir, that it would ignore increased damage as well. What I'd like to know, in effect, is whether it's better to cast combustion ~10 seconds before the burn phase ends or right before the haste/crit buffs drop.

Elge · 07/15/11, 10:39 AM

Can't confirm if Combustion is affected by the Burnout buff, but it shouldn't.
In regards to Combustion usage: Due to the DoT refresh mechanic introduced in Cataclysm, you won't get any bigger Ignites after about 8 seconds of Pyroblasting the boss. Due to this, I prefer using Combustion with about 12 seconds left on the crit chance debuff. This way, every tick of Combustion will crit, further increasing the Combustion damage.

fok · 07/15/11, 10:42 AM

or absurdly arcane will still be better as it is today

The answer on this question can be found on WoL: arcane is absolutely best in this content

angayelle · 07/16/11, 4:37 AM

Originally Posted by Elge

Due to this, I prefer using Combustion with about 12 seconds left on the crit chance debuff. This way, every tick of Combustion will crit, further increasing the Combustion damage.

Combustion ticks crits but don't proc ignite thus don't do a thing towards upping Combustion damage. This have been this way since 4.1 when they removed the ability from dots to proc ignite, resulting less munching.

Edit : Disregard my post, mixing combustion and pyroblast, too early to post obviously.

okaymindflay · 07/16/11, 9:01 AM

Combustion ticks have actually never interacted with Ignite in Cataclysm. Combustion had been an oddball in that regard since other dots used to be able to contribute to Ignite.

Kindepth · 07/17/11, 4:01 PM

Question about Alysrazor:

I've been struggling to surpass 60k dps throughout the fight, mostly because of poorly timed combustions (pop first when she dives and its back up for burn), but also because I haven't been able to conclusively decide whether Fireball spam the whole fight is better than Fireball spam then PyroBlast spam after 20+ stacks and during burn phase.

Just curious as to what other people are doing, WoL seems to say Fireball, but it doesnt make sense to me since FB cast time would be less than the GCD and waste a lot of time.

jorysaywut · 07/17/11, 7:25 PM

WoL doesn't say Fireball (at least on first page heroic parses). The top parses show damage coming mostly from combustion, pyroblast, and ignite. If you're worried about "smaller" combustions some of which is just RNG with procs and spell value ranges, you may also be comparing your combustions to people who impacted theirs onto the channeler adds which is pad damage but a buff with pyromaniac.

Corlok · 07/18/11, 9:45 AM

I hope you all know that allmost all Top 50-100 Alysrazor fight are corrupted logs and therefore have vastly inflated dps. They only last something between 30sec. and 3 minutes so you shouldn't try to get any advice out of those logs.

Nissin · 07/18/11, 10:29 AM

Most of the top parses come from guilds who drag the talonshapers in to spread combustion on them for inflated numbers just go through the logs a good attempt without cheesing numbers should be anywhere from 60-70k DPS. You have to be good during the tornado phase and always hit boss while running around maintaining damage at all times and refreshing the duration of your buff right before she falls down to maximize damage done. Then pray your Theralion Mirror procs at the right time to get a nice combustion.

Sadsalt · 07/18/11, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Kindepth

Question about Alysrazor:

I've been struggling to surpass 60k dps throughout the fight, mostly because of poorly timed combustions (pop first when she dives and its back up for burn), but also because I haven't been able to conclusively decide whether Fireball spam the whole fight is better than Fireball spam then PyroBlast spam after 20+ stacks and during burn phase.

Just curious as to what other people are doing, WoL seems to say Fireball, but it doesnt make sense to me since FB cast time would be less than the GCD and waste a lot of time.

I've noticed that at around 12-13 stacks of the buff in my gear, I reach GCD cap on my fireball, so I switch to Pyroblast. I also keep her targeted during the tornado phase and continue to dps while grabbing more rings. The only thing I've failed to do in the last two weeks is actually keep combustion for the Burnout phase (because I'm bad, ok?). I'm thinking I will break 60k this week if I do that.

I looked up some logs also, but I didn't come to the same conclusion you did about FB. The highest I could find for a Fire Mage from a REAL kill (not one of those bugged rankings on Worldoflogs) was 79k, 77k effective. Another log nearby on the ranking showed similar numbers. Fireball made up ~8%-9% of damage, where as both logs I looked at had Pyroblast and Pyroblast! totaling ~26-27% of the damage. It seems that it is necessary (and intuitive) to switch to Pyroblast, though my best guess as to "when" is around 12-13 stacks of the buff. Even though the Fireball count seems high in both logs, you have to remember that:

1. A lot of fireballs make up the early part of the flight phase.
2. Sometimes, you lose some dps during tornado phase due to facing issues (i.e., less pyroblasts)
3. After the burnout phase, the buff will drop and fireball becomes the main cast again.
4. With Pyroblast! procing with more frequency, you're still capped by GCD spamming the instant casts, so the number of pyroblasts is somewhat limited.
5. The only way to net that much Pyroblast damage is if, at the very least, it is being used as the main nuke during burnout.

Small Edit - ~10% of the damage from these mages is on the adds during burnout, so consider their DPS roughly 70k. Also, my References are 10man.

-For Reference-
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis