Cataclysm: Situational Tips and Tricks - Page 13

burygnome · 09/04/11, 2:26 PM

Didn't seen anyone mentioning this. Also on Heroic Ragnaros encounter you can knock back Sons of Flame that going to the hammer from lava side simply by using Mana Shield and going into lava for 1 tick. It does help a little and you don't have to waste other class knock backs on longer CD. Also, it is possible with more luck to constantly knock back some of the sons away from hammer every Mana Shield CD. All you have to do is to keep standing in front them on the way to hammer and praying for luck to get ragnaros fire bolt :P But the second scenario is more based on luck than actually making it happen

Engkanto · 09/06/11, 3:09 AM

Originally Posted by talchas

I'm pretty sure that cancelaura still works, although I'm not certain. It was changed to no longer be doable from arbitrary addons to kill WiseEclipse. That macro probably wouldn't do what you wanted though anyway - it will cancel slowfall and then immediately recast it (or if you're in a gcd, queue the cast for when the gcd ends). That style of macro works for invis and IB because they have long cooldowns so you can't recast it when you cancel.

I am absolutely sure that it works. I use it when blink is on CD (from using it to get closer to the trap) and I need to use slow fall. It helps when it's cancelled so that when I detonate the next trap, I don't have any left over slow fall from the previous detonation. But yeah, the macro won't work they way you want it. If you are not binding it to a key/button you can use a modifier

pouche · 09/08/11, 12:37 AM

Thank you for all the responses.
As proposed, i try to simply use blink when doing traps...but sometimes we do a couple in a row or we are inadvertently cast into the air.
The macro would be used on those occasions.
@talchas - thanks for the explanation on why this will not work with Slow Fall when it does indeed work with IB and Invis. Makes sense.
@Engkanto - you've hit on the reason for my desire to have this macro exactly.

While not truly a 'single button' solution, this is the best I've been able to come up with:
#showtooltip slow fall
/stopcasting
/cancelaura [modifier:shift] slow fall
/cast [nomodifier] slowfall

Thus, using my 'Z' key, i cast Slow Fall with 'Z' and cancel it with 'SHIFT+Z'.
Again, thank you all for the help.

Ttiamus · 09/08/11, 5:07 PM

Originally Posted by pouche

Thank you for all the responses.
As proposed, i try to simply use blink when doing traps...but sometimes we do a couple in a row or we are inadvertently cast into the air.
The macro would be used on those occasions.
@talchas - thanks for the explanation on why this will not work with Slow Fall when it does indeed work with IB and Invis. Makes sense.
@Engkanto - you've hit on the reason for my desire to have this macro exactly.

While not truly a 'single button' solution, this is the best I've been able to come up with:
#showtooltip slow fall
/stopcasting
/cancelaura [modifier:shift] slow fall
/cast [nomodifier] slowfall

Thus, using my 'Z' key, i cast Slow Fall with 'Z' and cancel it with 'SHIFT+Z'.
Again, thank you all for the help.

I was looking around for an answer to your issue and I found someone that was doing something similar with levitate. What they found to work was....

#showtooltip Levitate
/cancelaura Levitate
/castsequence Levitate,

They were saying that the comma at the end of cast sequence makes it think that there is another spell in the line up and allows it to work. So if you don't want to use modifiers you may want to try that. I don't have access to the game at the moment to test but that "should" work if you substitute Slow Fall in for Levitate in that macro.

Tirsten · 09/08/11, 5:41 PM

1. The above doesn't work for me, but this works as a modifier-free slow fall macro (just use any item with no on-use ability that's in your bags):

/cancelaura slow fall
/castsequence reset=30 slow fall, chilled meat

2. On Majordomo, there's a < 1 second gap between the end of Fiery Cyclone and the cast of Searing Seeds, so if you have 3/3 Prismatic Cloak and spam invis while you're stunned, you won't get Searing Seeds at all. Edit: Invis will be up for the next cast, so you can completely ignore the mechanic.

Esarael · 09/09/11, 12:10 AM

Huuum. For the Majordomo part, for quite some time now I've been using Ice Block to prevent the application of Searing Seeds on me, but being able to do it with Invisibility is actually better. This way, we can still avoid them (without using a HoP from a Paladin) and save our Ice Block for Burning Orb tanking.

Engkanto · 09/09/11, 3:14 AM

Originally Posted by Tirsten

2. On Majordomo, there's a < 1 second gap between the end of Fiery Cyclone and the cast of Searing Seeds, so if you have 3/3 Prismatic Cloak and spam invis while you're stunned, you won't get Searing Seeds at all.

I haven't tried this before but have you checked the numbers and verified that there is no friendly fire? I am leaning towards the possibility that this works though.

The reason why I'm asking is it could be the same as using Ice Block when he's done casting seed. It will remove the timer but the original clock will still be ticking and therefore still cause damage. We are not doing Domo until next week again so I won't be able to check it myself until then.

Esarael · 09/09/11, 6:47 PM

I have confirmation from other mages in my guild that do (Heroic) Domo in another raid, it does work.

Zippi · 09/10/11, 4:20 PM

Alysrazor

If you are flying, and struggling with low ignite/combustiondamage, the reason why it's happening is most likely ignite munching. Even though you are only casting a pyroblast every second, this can still happen because of two reasons:

1: You are in the air and getting closer to Alysrazor, which causes your pyroblasts to hit in more rapid succession due to having less traveltime than the previous one. There's nothing to do about this except for keeping perfect relative speed which is nearly impossible.

2: Hot Streak procs that fire off and hit at the same time as your previous Pyroblast. Since you'll be spamming the Pyroblast button, there will be little to no time to react to this and you will eat ignites very often, resulting in measly 20k combustion ticks.

This can be fixed in two ways, one of them is switching to a macro with /cancelaura hot streak /cast pyroblast in it, whenever you hit 24 stacks of blazing power (since you'll still do more dps by hot streaking if you're not guaranteed a crit with every shot) but due to lag and other shenanigans sometimes you'll still get hot streaks, it rarely happens but your ignite will still be eaten now and then. The other way is to just not spec Hot Streak at all, which guarantees a huge ignite.

Tyrian · 09/11/11, 3:44 PM

Originally Posted by burygnome

Didn't seen anyone mentioning this. Also on Heroic Ragnaros encounter you can knock back Sons of Flame that going to the hammer from lava side simply by using Mana Shield and going into lava for 1 tick. It does help a little and you don't have to waste other class knock backs on longer CD.

Furthermore, on Heroic, Incanter's Absorption can reliably be used to knockback your fixated Molten Elemental. This will only work for guilds using a Phase 2 strat that spreads the Elementals out however. Just be sure to stand away from others to guarantee your knockback will go off.

Although using Mana Shield in this fashion is indeed a minor DPS loss, it should not impact the raids ability to get to Phase 3 in a timely fashion. You'll still have 3 sets of Elementals regardless (2 sets for some guilds even).

Molten Elementals base hit for ~15-20k on a 1.2 second swing timer. The knockback should negate a couple melee swings. While this doesn't sound like much, if you run with a comp that doesn't have strong raid CD available for Molten Inferno, and use a spread out strat in phase 2 - the first couple seconds after each Inferno can be a tense period where healers are struggling to top the raid up in time.

smashthemup · 09/15/11, 6:01 AM

Alysrazor

couple of tips:

1) try to get a ring on the ground just as the tornado phase is ending to maximise the uptime on the crit debuff
2) Cast combustion with 10 seconds left of crit buff so that the Combustion crits 100% of the time
3) use moonwell / potion when building up ignite not when using combustion.

Heres a parse where my combustion did 8.2 million damage on the boss but somehow i pulled aggro through mirror image??

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

heres where i summon the mirror images:
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
heres where everyone BUT the tanks ate the cleave
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

any ideas on why this happened? It appears that there may be a limit to the amount of threat the mirror images will absorb or something. Needless to say on the next attempt i poped invis before she came back alive

Elge · 09/15/11, 10:30 AM

After Alysrazor gets reignited, a Mages Mirror Images can tank the boss for the entire duration of the ground phase. Healing this phase gets a bit easier this way. As you can see in this Log, no one took damage from Blazing Claw. You have do pop the images just as Alysrazor rises up from the ground and screams "Reborn in flame".

Shaitans · 09/15/11, 10:35 AM

@ Elge, are you saying that if you pop images just as she gets up and scream "Reborn in flame" that she will automatically target the images? Or are you saying that if you managed to pull agro from ridiculous DPS, then she will turn on you/your image?

Were your healers healing the images or what?

smashthemup · 09/15/11, 10:38 AM

@Shaitans

one thing i noticed is that the images take no damage from the boss because its treated as an aoe effect. The images in my parse were standing beside me and took no damage while the rest of the raid died to the cleave. Ill give this a try next week and post my results if positive

ZumoO · 09/15/11, 10:44 AM

It's not exclusive to Alysrazor fight, this already happened on other bosses in T11 when our mage had too much aggro compared to the tank.