Cataclysm: Situational Tips and Tricks - Page 14

Elge · 09/15/11, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Shaitans

@ Elge, are you saying that if you pop images just as she gets up and scream "Reborn in flame" that she will automatically target the images? Or are you saying that if you managed to pull agro from ridiculous DPS, then she will turn on you/your image?

Were your healers healing the images or what?

My post was not related to yours, it just reminded me, that I wanted to share this. And yes, the boss will target the images if you were highest on her agroo list (and you should be).

talchas · 09/15/11, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by smashthemup

2) Cast combustion with 10 seconds left of crit buff so that the Combustion crits 100% of the time

This isn't needed - crit chances aren't recalculated for dots without a refresh.
(Edit: apparently crit is special, as can be seen in some logs. Mastery, spell power and haste are not recalculated though)

Originally Posted by smashthemup

3) use moonwell / potion when building up ignite not when using combustion.

You want the moonwell active for the combustion cast, as you won't get the benefit otherwise (although this may have changed since my last test). Int potion only really matters for the ignite stacking, yeah (it would affect LB and pyro contribs, but not ignite's).

Maje · 09/15/11, 2:33 PM

Originally Posted by talchas

This isn't needed - crit chances aren't recalculated for dots without a refresh.

Wrong, crits buffs / debuffs affect dots in realtime in contrast to how haste / spell power works.

Eylirria · 09/16/11, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Pasture

It's worth noting that if you have Paladins in the raid they can BoP select targets before the stun applies. It lasts long enough to be applied before and still prevent the application of seeds. Probably wasted on a mage who can iceblock out of it after, however, and better used on a class who cannot avoid taking the seed damage.

How does BOP negate the application of the seed? Or is BOP to be used in conjunction with the human racial?

Logoz · 09/16/11, 12:11 PM

BoP can also be used on Ragnaros right before seeds fly out of the lava.
As long as you have bop before seeds fly up, there will be no seed on you.
Each Molten Elemental only aggros the person it's seed targeted, so you can go in and AoE your heart out after the explosion.

Logoz · 09/16/11, 4:16 PM

Greetings fellow mages!

I wrote a guide on how to get 350k+ ignites/combustion on Alysrazor.
I'm not posting the whole thing here since it's really long, but you can see it here on WoW forums:

Alysrazor Guide on 350k+ Ignite/Comb by Logoz - Forums - World of Warcraft

And if you just want to see big numbers, here's the video (link to guide also in video description):

Alysrazor Guide on 350k+ Ignite/Combustion - YouTube

Ring0 · 09/16/11, 7:33 PM

Thanks a lot Logoz. Was working through your log today and could not figure out the why of using Arcane Blast. I think you've hit the nail on the head. I've never seen ignite go over 140k when rolling it over from the pre-burnout phase. Ignite not benefiting from the 50% damage when it is carried across would explain why.

Has there been any thoughts on usage of Shard of Woe on this particular fight as well? The Celerity effect would add five ticks to the Combustion. You could activate other on-use trinkets to build up the ignite, then follow that up with using the Shard of Woe and casting Combustion, or even a /cancelaura macro, if you wanted to end the previous trinket's proc early.

Logoz · 09/16/11, 8:13 PM

Originally Posted by Ring0

Has there been any thoughts on usage of Shard of Woe on this particular fight as well? The Celerity effect would add five ticks to the Combustion. You could activate other on-use trinkets to build up the ignite, then follow that up with using the Shard of Woe and casting Combustion, or even a /cancelaura macro, if you wanted to end the previous trinket's proc early.

I have not yet considered using Shard of Woe for extra combustion ticks, but maybe I should. Excellent point. However, using Chalice or Soul Casket will put Shard of Woe on a 20sec cooldown (b/c that is how long chalice/casket lasts), and you can't use SoW for 20sec, even if you cancel the chalice/casket buff early

Frzntears · 09/26/11, 11:05 PM

Thx for the tips Logoz.
That tip with dropping ignite before the nuke phase with AB was really handy.
Stil is it worth dot-ing the 2 adds in the ground phase with LB just so we can get extra ticks from combustion ? Or am i overcomplicating it a bit ?

Maje · 09/27/11, 4:08 AM

Originally Posted by Ring0

Thanks a lot Logoz. Was working through your log today and could not figure out the why of using Arcane Blast. I think you've hit the nail on the head. I've never seen ignite go over 140k when rolling it over from the pre-burnout phase. Ignite not benefiting from the 50% damage when it is carried across would explain why.

That is not the why, specifically, the issue isn't with ignite not benefiting from Burnout but rather from the interaction between the Pyroblasts and Ignite ticks.

From going over the logs, you need your Pyroblast crits and Ignite ticks to align in a specific manner, basically two things cause that alignment the first is dropping Hot-Streak the second letting Ignite drop. Incidentally, this way actually causes more Ignite munching but since the fight is a case of how to break Combustion it doesn't matter.

Also, it's possible to reproduce without dropping Hot-Streak, that would however require you to time your casts, it also matters when Heroism is used since it changes the timing between Pyroblasts, and the haste on your gear.

It's quite likely that someone trying to reproduce it would not be able to simply because his base haste (gear) wasn't at the right point.

Hinalover · 10/23/11, 2:29 AM

After missing Blizzcon's Live Raid due to an appointment. So while catching up by watching this video, it appears that in 4.3, Blizzard has fixed the bug where mages were able to invis to negate the Decemation attack. Mages from both Blood Legion and Vadka died during the first Decemation of Beth.

Ring0 · 10/23/11, 8:29 AM

Didn't work on Morchuk's AoE stomp either.

valarauca · 10/26/11, 5:18 PM

During 10man normal testing I was able to invis to avoid ultraxion's hour of twilight.

Also from PTR testing:

-Fire mage combustion can be used on almost every hour of twilight (I believe hour of twilight is a 45 second cooldown), which helps the dps check on Heroic.

-Fire mage combustion can be used to reflect the first 'bounce' of orbs on the Warlord Zon'ozz encounter, combined with mage mobility from blink this greatly helps simplify the encounter.

-Fire's moble dps is very important on the Heroic Hagara encounter. With its current dps check I don't see arcane able to keep up with fire on this encounter since it is very high movement, and DoT class greatly benefit from the multiple targets. Scorch on the move is most noticeable during the frost phase, when one needs to dps while running.

-Madness of Death: Fire seems preferable over arcane due to multiple targets that need to be damage at the same time. Also the haste and crit buffs would in my opinion benefit fire more then arcane. Likewise on Add AoE fire would pull ahead. TLDR there is several reasons to go fire, in my opinion. The only bug is impact cannot spread your DoT's to the Blistering Tentacle that spawn from the limps themselves, which is a bug I hope.

-Cauterize: Can use to reflect the orbs on Warlord Zon'ozz. Which is very handy in emergency.
-Cauterize: Can be used on H Ultraxion to take hour of twilight. Hour of Twilight is on a 45 second timer, while Cauterize is on a minute. Meaning you can catch every other one.

Durga · 10/31/11, 3:27 PM

For those heroic rag firefighter mages out there, can you put out fire while invisible? Wondering if I can glyph for invisibility to help catch up on the bigger patches of dreadflame on the first wave. Thanks, bros. ~Toodles~

Elge · 10/31/11, 7:44 PM

Originally Posted by Durga

For those heroic rag firefighter mages out there, can you put out fire while invisible? Wondering if I can glyph for invisibility to help catch up on the bigger patches of dreadflame on the first wave. Thanks, bros. ~Toodles~

Works without a problem.